theyre slow and get out performed by wheels half their depths.
You may very well be right, but given the price right now is showing as $550, it’s hard for me to think of anything in that price range that isn’t likely to be slower, we’re talking shallow aluminum training wheel territory.
I’d actually be curious how a bike with a standard rear wheel and something like Bontrager’s new Aura 5 on the front would stack up. This is one of those things where I haven’t a clue.
theyre slow and get out performed by wheels half their depths.
You may very well be right, but given the price right now is showing as $550, it’s hard for me to think of anything in that price range that isn’t likely to be slower, we’re talking shallow aluminum training wheel territory.
wheel cover 100$
hed jet 6 front ~500$
that combo stomps the shit out of the planet x wheels.
I own a pair of the 82/101’s and love them. I bought them this spring and put a pair of Tangente tires on them. I have used them in two oly’s and two1/2’s so far and have loved the way they ride each time. Some above noted that they were hard to handle…I have never had this issue in training or racing.
My brother owns a pair of 808’s and yea the 808’s are lighter, they brake better, and seem stiffer. All in all for the price i can’t complain. With a Cassette and tubulars glued on I paid no more than $850 They feel and ride great. Not to mention, Planet X has good customer service.
I recently got the 82/101s as well. I use them for everyday training and they suit me pretty well, pretty sturdy as well. However, I do have handling issues in reasonable cross breezes, but I guess I’d get that with all deep profiles. For the price point they are well worth it!
theyre slow and get out performed by wheels half their depths.
You may very well be right, but given the price right now is showing as $550, it’s hard for me to think of anything in that price range that isn’t likely to be slower, we’re talking shallow aluminum training wheel territory.
wheel cover 100$
hed jet 6 front ~500$
that combo stomps the shit out of the planet x wheels.
Agree that would be the better combination. But a Jet 6 front retails for $750. Probably the best discount you’re going to find out there would be about $600 for a total of $700. Only way you’re going to find your price is used. Used recent vintage Jets seem very rare but I suppose if you’re persistent you’ll find some. Personally I think the $150 premium over the PX wheels for your suggestion would be well worth it.
I’d guess a used H3 front w/ wheelcover would be a more likely bet in this price range but I don’t like how it handles in crosswinds.
I have no intention of buying these wheels but I could see for someone on a very limited budget that doesn’t want the risk of used wheels it might be worth considering, if in fact they’re about equivalent to the older 404s, that’s not that bad.
I think of the PX wheels as one of the “Best Bang for the Buck” wheelsets. Sure, they’re not the fastest wheels, but for the $500-$750 you’ll pay for the wheelset - I don’t mind not having the “fastest”. I race sprints…same as you so the disadvantage we have is not all that big of a deal anyway. Now with the new FLOW wheels coming out sometime in the near future…I think their price point may be about the same so PX may have some competition.
Only reason I sold my PX wheels is I wanted to try switching to a disc rear, trispoke front. Was the new setup any faster - sure, just a bit. I had to pay a few hundred $ more for the new wheel setup even though I bought used.
I race sprints…same as you so the disadvantage we have is not all that big of a deal anyway.
That logic doesn’t work, the race is shorter so the time you gain from faster equipment is just as useful as the time gained during a longer race. Time lost is always a big deal no matter where it comes from. Now if you don’t care about extra seconds for races I have no problem with that but saying “because its a sprint it doesn’t matter” isn’t true.
I race sprints…same as you so the disadvantage we have is not all that big of a deal anyway.
That logic doesn’t work, the race is shorter so the time you gain from faster equipment is just as useful as the time gained during a longer race. Time lost is always a big deal no matter where it comes from. Now if you don’t care about extra seconds for races I have no problem with that but saying “because its a sprint it doesn’t matter” isn’t true.
Sure it does…sprints are shorter (and I’m making numbers up here), but say you loose 30 seconds on a sprint distance race to $2000 Zipp wheels…Olympic you’d loose 1 minute, 1/2 you loose 3, IM say 6. I know it’s all proportional - I get that. I’m just saying that I don’t mind giving up 30 seconds in a Sprint race to save $1500 - it’s an easier time to swallow. I say that, but have since switched wheels to close that 30 gap to 10 seconds at the cost of a few hundred $$ more 
Michael
I have a set of 50/82 and I love them. I have wanted carbon wheels for years, but had no way of justifying the crazy prices of zipp, etc. They may not be the fastest wheels out there, but they are lighter than the stock wheels that came on my bike. They look fast, look cool, and psychologically they make me feel faster.
I know it’s all proportional - I get that. I’m just sayingl
just stop saying! you get it. end it there!
There is no way possible that zipps save you 30 seconds in a sprint. I know you were just making up #'s and just throwing stuff out there to reply to the other poster.
The first questions would be how much do zipps save you over stock wheels in a sprint.
But i would venture to say in a sprint/olympic time gains are not monumental from the zipps.
There is no way possible that zipps save you 30 seconds in a sprint. I know you were just making up #'s and just throwing stuff out there to reply to the other poster.
The first questions would be how much do zipps save you over stock wheels in a sprint.
But i would venture to say in a sprint/olympic time gains are not monumental from the zipps.
Hence the reason I owned a set of PX 82/101…and sold them for a used Williams Disc and H3 trisoke …again used. The extra +$1000 was not worth it to me for the minimal speed gain I would get from buying newer Zipps. Again, I’m only racing sprints right now and am in what I consider the “weekend hacker pack”. I usually win my AG and can finish up inside the Top 10/20 depending on the size of the race, but I’ll never be in contention for anything better than that. Those are the guys that are “seriously” training and putting in much greater training time than I could ever find time for. They crush me on the swim and run portions and the bike is the only thing that keeps me in the Hackers Chase group. Zipps or any set of more expensive faster wheels aren’t going to change anything for me except possibly piss my wife of more.
Instead of the PX combo on offer at their site I would go for their Sram S80 front clincher offer at 349 pounds and a wheelcover on the back. My race rear wheel is an old Mavic CXP30, bought for €18 on eBay, with a cover. I repacked the hub and it runs silky smooth.
Whilst on the subject of budget race wheels, my front setup is a Felt TTR2 with a latex tube and a Conti Supersonic 20mm tyre. Apparently this tested +/- as fast as an old-style 404 with a 23mm tyre, so it´s fast enough for my old engine.
I only ride clinchers.
Best of luck with whatever you decide to go for.
Great first set if your getting into deep carbon wheels and the tubular business. Price is unbeatable. I have the 82/101’s and really enjoy them. They feel and sound awesome. I am 200+, have hit pot-holes, even a shallow curb on a round-about, no problems. I am training on them more often than I thought I would. Now I need a cover for the 101… 
Anyone have a link? If I were to do it again, the 101 front (if you can find one) and a cover back would be a good set to try. Both are cheep and fast, just like I like it.
I’m bothered by how many people do not seem to understand how proportions work… that is all
Correct me if I am wrong, but drag is not a linear function vs velocity. Since I doubt your pace for a sprint, oly or HIM is the same, your proportion assumption on time savings doesnt work. I’d even add that since most people I see on the nice bikes can’t hold their aero position for extended periods, your aero savings because of gear becomes a moot point.
Correct me if I am wrong, but drag is not a linear function vs velocity. Since I doubt your pace for a sprint, oly or HIM is the same, your proportion assumption on time savings doesnt work. I’d even add that since most people I see on the nice bikes can’t hold their aero position for extended periods, your aero savings because of gear becomes a moot point.
So then TT bikes are going to actually relatively save even more time over a sprint course since we all know that the faster you go, the more aero matters and based upon your second comment about people being more likely to hold aero for a higher percentage of the race over a sprint distance!!!
yes as a percentage of your bike time or have i lost my mind.
however, in the virtual reality of slowtwitch land, i can no longer discern fact from fiction.
I had these wheels and I was living in Denmark. Makes no differnce, its EU so just buy from the UK, most places delivery for very little and then you save 15% or more! Anyway, back to the wheels! I loved the wheels but could not get on with tubular tyres. They are v cheap for what you get I think. If they had been clinchers I would still have them. I also think they look damn good and we all know that looks trumps carbon which trumps aero which trumps everything etc etc blah blah.
I regularly come back to DK so if shipping is a pain I can (if needed) bring with me from UK but you have to pick up from my work in DK (Ballerup/Herlev area).