I am happy for you. You have something that works for you.
But every time there is a post about shoes you immediately go on about how there is only one true way to run healthy - and the shoe industry is a mob of money-thirsty butchers. You are like freaking missionaries!
Maybe there are different ways of thinking and others are perfectly happy with their way. Have you thought of that?
ME? I run in expensive shoes with medial posts and since I found this shoe I have had the most injury-free year I have ever had in 20+ years of running. Let me run in peace in my clunky, but ohhh so comfy Asics and go indoctrinate your own family members.
Contrary to popular opinion, if you have bad biomechanics, just going barefoot or landing on your forefoot isn’t necessarily going to solve those problems.
I’m a POSE-uer cultist “lite”…as in, I use sugar free Kool Aide vs the real thing when trying to bring someone in. Seriously, ranting about shoes is stupid. The POSE stuff is more like TI, IMHO: you look for the general precepts and apply as needed to improve (NOT “fix”) whatever you think needs the help. POSE is a brand name AFAIC…the meat of the matter is:
try not to heelstrike work up to a cadence between 80-90rpm, just like cycling
someone wants to call that POSE, then more power to 'em…but I say that’s what it boils down to.
never got the video or the book…just read a little of the hype on the web and tried to apply the general ideas in my running. didn’t really reduce pain/injury (which wasn’t a problem before, anyway), but definitely allowed me to go longer, harder, and recover quicker.
I’m a POSE-uer cultist “lite”…the meat of the matter is:
try not to heelstrike work up to a cadence between 80-90rpm, just like cycling
I agree, but I’d go more like 85 to 95 RPM and use gravity to your advantage and make your feet stronger (you can’t go wrong with strong feet). The rest of the stuff is bogus marketing crap that any intelligent user should be able to skim off from a mile away.
They found something that works for them, and keeps them injury free.
They are excited about it.
They want everyone else to enjoy the satisfaction they have from POSE.
Of course, they’re gonna be fanatical about it … almost everyone is about what works for them. Everyone believes what they are doing is the right way … otherwise they wouldn’t do it that way.
Granted, some will be jagoffs about it … but they are not really considering in the matter. They could also be newbies, who are like me usually … speaking more from enthusiasm/interest than from experience.
I find it strange at how folks from “outside the cult” narrow down POSE/TI to basically just 2 or 3 specific details. When I read them both I see basic concepts given new terminology likely in hopes of increasing sales on older ideas. Same thing happens in all sports. It’s cyclical.
As long as those folks that buy it get benefit from it, that’s all I care about. At the end of the day, I’m left with the question “Is POSE/TI really worth all the comotion they seem to create?”
“Oh, if I’d only done those psoas stretches, I might’ve broken 15:00 for the 5k…”
I don’t know many pure runners who embrace POSE, most are triathletes. This makes me think that the idea of POSE makes sense to triathletes because they compare it to form lessons for swimming, where form makes a big difference.
The more miles I run, the faster, smoother, and more efficient I am. I’m better at 40mpw than at 30mpw, and a lot better at 70+mpw than anywhere else. IMHO, the path to running success is not via the POSE method, plyometrics, psoas stretches, or anything else – it’s through hard work and a lot of miles. Your body will find its optimum efficiency on its own.
If you took physics 101, its mgsin(theta), where theta is the angle between the line running between your body centre of gravity to the ball of your foot and the line from the ground up from the ball of your foot going vertical. If this angle is negative, then you have to work to overcome gravity and are constantly braking with each stride. If your hips and low and behind your feet, and head and shoulders are rolled back, and behind your centre of gravity, then you are working against yourself and about to lose. Picture Merlene Ottey with her head and shoulders rolled back and Marie Jose Perec whipping by her in the 200 final in Atlanta or more recently, Kate Major blowing by Loretta Harrop or Simon Whitfield blowing by Vokovic. Smartasscoach, I hope you are teaching your athletes to run with the form of these winners rather than the poor form of the ones who lost.
Dev, Dev, Dev… Running is easy, but biomechanics is just not trigonometry. In the post you reveal some misundertandings regarding running biomechanics. These mistakes are easily corrected if you look outside the pose website
You are correct my friend. It is certainly not trig, but there are some basics of physics that apply, and yes, it is not a static free body diagram that we are dealing with but a complex set of dynamic forces and ensuing motions all working in unison with one another for optimum forward motion…now does that sound cultish enough ???
…damn, just put on those friggin shoes (whatever kind) and put one foot in front of another. From there good things will happen. There is no substitute for pure miles.
Not to change the direction of the thread … but I was comparing satisfaction levels. Many TI customers (myself included) are very happy with the results in the form of being able to swim large distances (1.2 to 2.0 miles for me) faster than they could before (under an hour … I know, I’m slow … I’km working on it), and with much less energy expended. The benefits for triathletes that were poor swimmers (technically) is obvious.
I combined them both b/c they both seem to be focused on technique correction to minimize wasted energy.
Side Note: I think many folks misuse TI and never get out of the “beginner, nice and slow, mindset”. I see no reason why one could not use TI and still swim fast. Just increase the stroke rate. Not complicated.
I doubt many accomplished swimmers are going to credit TI for their success … just as many baseball Golden Glove winners aren’t going to praise Tom Emanski’s Defensive Skills and Drills videotape. They likely learned the skills skills before it was packaged and sold as something new.
Ooh…a cult of running fanatics. Finally. My sister was actually a Moonie for a couple years back in the mid-80’s. That’s the extent of my experience with cults, sad to say.
Why can’t there be a cult of, like, nymphomaniacs whose fathers all own liquor stores? I could support that bunch
Kahuna
“The nympho is the state bird of Ohio…” (Ula (Rob Scheider), from “Fifty First Dates”…a true classic of American cinema
Why can’t there be a cult of, like, nymphomaniacs whose fathers all own liquor stores?
How hard have you looked? Going by some of the stuff I’ve seen on the net, mostly unintentionally, there is a website/cult for just about anything and everything. I’m thinking you could find a nympho, dad-owns-a-liquor-store site without much trouble. Heck, they’ll probably have a message board where some loony starts a thread titled “The Triathlon Bike Thread”.
