Whole milk

Triathlon Forum
1

What’s the beef? How come I only read “model diets” (term taken from front page ST article on measurement) with low/no fat milk? Pure curiousity here - I’m not stating a position.

When our first daughter moved to store-bought milk, we began buying organic whole milk. That was 2 1/2 years ago. We go through at least 2 gallons a week. I’m the primary consumer between my ginormous cereal bowl in the mornings and post workout chocolate milk. I’m 6’-1" and 157lbs.

Is it the fat content, or something else? Should I race home to pour out what’s left in the refrigerator and clean my system out with kerosene?

2

As an adult I would trade the whole milk in for skim or at least 1 percent. Your kids should enjoy the whole milk.

3

As an adult I would trade the whole milk in for skim or at least 1 percent. Your kids should enjoy the whole milk.

Eh his weight is fine. Keep the whole milk.

If you want more protein to fat, drink 1.5x skim milk. If you want more fat to protein, drink 1x whole milk.

Keep macros sane. Don’t eat over processed crap. Rest works itself out.

4

I actually heard an NPR report a few weeks ago citing a number of studies constintly showing that people who drink whole milk are not as likely to be overweight as people who drink non-fat or low-fat milk.

They didn’t seem to know what might be happening. Speculation was that either dairy fat metabolizes differently than other fats or that people subconsciouly adjust their diets thinking that non-fat is more healthy. In other words, I had non-fat yogurt, so now I can eat that piece of cake. Or that people who seek out whole milk are more likely to seek out other whole or less processed foods.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014/02/12/275376259/the-full-fat-paradox-whole-milk-may-keep-us-lean

5

Fat doesn’t make you fat, drink whole milk if you like milk.

6

I switched back to whole milk and saw a small drop in weight. Tastes better, so I’m in.

7

Fat will certainly make you fat faster than other types of calories, since there are more than twice as many calories in fat than in an equal mass of carbohydrates or protein. If you want to keep your weight down it would certainly not be a bad idea to restrict fat intake and in fact many would find it the easiest way to keep weight down.

8

Agreed. The whole low-fat dairy thing is still a carryover from our decades-long obsession with eliminating or processing every “whole” food that was in our diet. It stems from the food technology revolution of the 50’s (canning, freezing, preserving, etc.). We thought that our ability to process something somehow made the food better, and we lost the original concept of just preserving it to have a decent selection of foods through the winter.

Eating is really simple if you think of consuming the simplest foods possible:
Beef.Vegetables.Nuts.BeansFruits.Eggs (chicken, ostrich, whatever).Whole dairy (milk).Fermented whole dairy (cheese, yogurt).And some grains for when you’ve just ridden 80 miles and need some quick energy.
Remember that there’s not a whole lot of price markup on these foods, because there’s not much processing. Food companies have a huge incentive to sell you heavily processed and packaged foods, because that’s where the profit is.

There’s not much profit from a bunch of organic collard greens selling for $1.99, or an apple for 25 cents.

9

Fat will certainly make you fat faster than other types of calories, since there are more than twice as many calories in fat than in an equal mass of carbohydrates or protein. If you want to keep your weight down it would certainly not be a bad idea to restrict fat intake and in fact many would find it the easiest way to keep weight down.

Sorry, but this is the terrible advice that gave us a country where 75% of adults are overweight. Restricting dietary fat leaves most people constantly hungry. Counter-intuitively, when they eat fat-rich foods, and eat only when they’re hungry, they feel full faster, don’t overeat, and end up losing weight.

10

Fat will certainly make you fat faster than other types of calories, since there are more than twice as many calories in fat than in an equal mass of carbohydrates or protein. If you want to keep your weight down it would certainly not be a bad idea to restrict fat intake and in fact many would find it the easiest way to keep weight down.

Restricting fat intake has done wonders for Americans over the past 20 years huh? I eat about 50% fat and have lost a steady 2 pounds a month for the past 12 months. I then leveled out and have not gained or lost weight in about a month now. A calorie is not a calorie (you can’t fall back on the old calories in = calories out, its been put to rest in the past 10 years) When are people going to figure that out! Your body metabolizes and processes fats, carbs and protein entirely differently. Go ahead and keep your head in the sand and follow all the lemmings over the cliff if you want to, I choose to follow the science.

11

I don’t remember where I heard this quote, but I love it: Skinny people eat fat, fat people eat sugar.

12

I don’t think the advice on Slowtwitch should be considered advice given to the entire country. I doubt 75% of ST is overweight.

13

So many things these days are condensed into sound bites, for general consumption. Your mileage may vary.

Like you, I drink milk. Your two gallons a week wouldn’t last for 2 days in my fridge!

In western societies, many people eat too much, and too much of that food is too high in fat. The result is that many/most people are too fat. Not all, but most. Most people will benefit from eating lower fat food. Changing from full fat whole milk to lower fat varieties can be beneficial for most people, particularly if the drink a lot of milk.

Fat is a consideration for its high calorie issues, but there is also the inner health question to be dealt with. While you might not be fat on the outside, your intake of fat, including from milk, may be causing arterial blockages, or at least the beginnings of them. Lower fat intake including from milk, may help with heart and arterial health, even if you’re not fat on the outside.

The only way to know whether fat intake, with or without milk intake, is an issue for you is to get tested. See you doctor and get some blood tests. The results may of may not lead to other tests, but get tested and use the information to help you decide whether whole milk or lower fat version is for you. There is no one answer that is right for everyone.

In a similar way, my salt intake is an issue for me. I have several heart problems, plus high exercise blood pressure. Many people get high blood pressure from a high salt intake. Telling people with heart or blood pressure problems to reduce their salt intake is seen as a no-brainer by most people. Most people with blood pressure problems are put on beta blockers. My cardiologist tried me on beta blockers, but the side effects were not acceptable in my case. I’m on a completely different form of medication. My tested sodium levels are very low, and I’m not a salt lover, so I take very little salt with food. On top of that, my meds actually strip salt from my system. I actually have to force myself to eat more salt than I feel comfortable eating! I’ve had a CT angiogram of my heart and my cardiologist has said my heart arteries are “better than textbook”! He explained that in the textbooks, the arteries are always shown with at least some plaque/cholesterol buildup, and mine show absolutely none. Extra salt is not an issue for me.

Interestingly, when I got my meds from the pharmacy one time, there was a pamphlet saying that because I was on blood pressure meds, that I should limit/reduce my salt intake! I contacted the publisher about it, explained the situation, and recommended they seek advice from both my cardiologist and the pill manufacturer. To their credit, they did just that. They have since revised their pamphlet to say with beta blockers you should reduce salt intake. They no longer provide the brochure for people who get my medication.

My point is two fold. Get tested to find out where you stand. Eat to suit your situation, not that of the average population.

14

I eat whole milk yogurt most of the time. It’s like ice cream but healthy!!!

Chobani 2% milk mango is really good too

15

I eat whole milk yogurt most of the time. It’s like ice cream but healthy!!!

Isn’t it, nutritionally speaking, just like ice cream, only not cold?

Unless you’re eating unsweetened yogurt. But most yogurt is sugar-laden. Chobani has a good amount of added sugar in addition to just the fruit sugars.

16

I eat whole milk yogurt most of the time. It’s like ice cream but healthy!!!

Isn’t it, nutritionally speaking, just like ice cream, only not cold?

Unless you’re eating unsweetened yogurt. But most yogurt is sugar-laden. Chobani has a good amount of added sugar in addition to just the fruit sugars.

6 oz Brown Cow whole milk yogurt has 90 fewer calories, 1g of protein more, and 50 mg more of Calcium than 1/2 c Ben and Jerry’s cookie dough. Yogurt also has probiotics.

… so yeah, they’re close…

17

What’s the beef? How come I only read “model diets” (term taken from front page ST article on measurement) with low/no fat milk? Pure curiousity here - I’m not stating a position.

When our first daughter moved to store-bought milk, we began buying organic whole milk. That was 2 1/2 years ago. We go through at least 2 gallons a week. I’m the primary consumer between my ginormous cereal bowl in the mornings and post workout chocolate milk. I’m 6’-1" and 157lbs.

Is it the fat content, or something else? Should I race home to pour out what’s left in the refrigerator and clean my system out with kerosene?

and I’m 6’1" and 212 and was drinking 1/2%. Recently switched up some to almond milk and traded the ginormous cereal bowl with oatmeal and honey on the w/e, and instant oatmeal and protein during the week. Haven’t lost much doing this but more energy on my workouts.

18

Like what you said about sound bites. Sometimes I wonder where things like BMI come from.

I’m one of those overweight fatties. And it’s my fault. I like to eat. Paraphrasing Will Rogers, I never met a cookie I didn’t like. Why does ice cream come in a half gallon container? Single serving size. Yeah, I know it’s a quart and a half now, but in addition to being FatandSlow, I’m old, too.

This morning, I weighed 188. 4 pounds overweight according to BMI. I’m 6 feet, have a 33 inch waist and a 15 inch neck. My biceps wouldn’t pass for decent forearms for most guys. My collar bones protrude. My cheeks are sunken enough to make Kate Moss jealous.

Now, I do have fairly large glutes, quads, and calves. I spent over 600 hours on my bike last year and finally managed to break an hour for 40k. at 57. My cholesterol is 185, LDL is 118, HDL is 62. Triglycerides are 67 and my BP is 103/61.

But hey, I’m a fattie and the life insurance companies ding me for it.

Set the bar low enough and we all trip over it.

19

What’s the beef? How come I only read “model diets” (term taken from front page ST article on measurement) with low/no fat milk? Pure curiousity here - I’m not stating a position.

When our first daughter moved to store-bought milk, we began buying organic whole milk. That was 2 1/2 years ago. We go through at least 2 gallons a week. I’m the primary consumer between my ginormous cereal bowl in the mornings and post workout chocolate milk. I’m 6’-1" and 157lbs.

Is it the fat content, or something else? Should I race home to pour out what’s left in the refrigerator and clean my system out with kerosene?

and I’m 6’1" and 212 and was drinking 1/2%. Recently switched up some to almond milk and traded the ginormous cereal bowl with oatmeal and honey on the w/e, and instant oatmeal and protein during the week. Haven’t lost much doing this but more energy on my workouts.

How the hell do they milk almonds? I’ve looked quite a bit recently and never seen any almonds with nipples? Do they send the female almonds to be milked and the male ones get sent to the place where they roast and salt them? I’d hate to think I’ve got a dietary imbalance simply because I only eat male almonds and don’t balance my diet by drinking milked female almonds.

This incessant nutrition stuff is doing my head in!

20

I don’t think the advice on Slowtwitch should be considered advice given to the entire country. I doubt 75% of ST is overweight.

I’ll bet a jelly doughnut that 35% of posters here are overweight, as well as 60% of lurkers. Slowman, can you do a poll?