We have already had the dicussion of right or wrong…I am just asking for your prediction based on the banter yesterday between the judges and dorks,errr lawyers…
I predict they uphold the vote of the people
I also predict, they let stand the marriages that already took place!
As one of those dorks . . . err lawyers, I suspect you are correct.
no offense…i like dorks…and lawyers too…hell, i dont even know any lawyer jokes,heard some good ones in the past though,and now, i am sure we will see them written here again…
The Justices made their positions pretty clear during the hearing, there are precedents where majorities have taken away legal rights from minorities via initiative and that the court has upheld those mandates.
They also made it very clear that the 18,000 gay couples who did get married before Prop 8, are still legally married and will remain so.
So we still do have gay marriages in California, just not gay marriage. What a f**ked up world we live in.
What a f**ked up world we live in.
Just drop a bomb on an arab. It’ll make you feel better.
?huh?
so if they rule against gay marriages - does that make them all haters?
just kidding, I already know your answer.
Anti-gay marriage
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I predict they uphold the vote of the people
I also predict, they let stand the marriages that already took place! \
The way it sounds, I have to agree with you here on these two points… I will also predict that it will again become a ballot measure, and next time it will pass, 52% to 48%…Sure the people have spoken, but not like it was a blowout…There are a lot of other people speaking, and their voice just seems to get louder and louder. There is a distinct graph of where the populace of this state is heading on this issue, and probably just needs 3 or 4 more years to reach the tipping point…Only thing I can see getting in the way, is the fast growing Mexican population. I believe as a block, they voted against gays being able to marry, so it could take a bit longer…
What a f**ked up world we live in.
Just drop a bomb on an arab. It’ll make you feel better.
Arab or Persian? can you be more specific. 4 to 6 SLBM’s will do it or if you prefer old school B-52’s from 35,000ft
there are precedents where majorities have taken away legal rights from minorities
Like every income tax increase? 
**Only thing I can see getting in the way, is the fast growing Mexican population. I believe as a block, they voted against gays being able to marry, so it could take a bit longer… **
What about blacks, evangelicals, mormons, elderly, and the big one: high school or less education, etc. Lots o’ blocks out there that didn’t buy into it.
I thought this was interesting. Only 16, primarily Bay area, counties voted against it.
We have already had the dicussion of right or wrong…I am just asking for your prediction based on the banter yesterday between the judges and dorks,errr lawyers…
I predict they uphold the vote of the people
I also predict, they let stand the marriages that already took place!
Agreed. They’ll uphold the will of the people, even if some other people think that’s wrong, and leave the current marriages frozen in place. No way they’re going to order the reversal of those ceremonies.
I also have to say I’m amazed by the folks who dragged this issue to the court, trying to get the ballot initiative overturned. Everything was sweetness and light until they lost, then it became an issue of “no fair,” and “that sucks,” and all that rot. If they really believed in what it was they’re asking the court to find, they never would have taken a chance on letting Prop. 8 get on the ballot in the first place. They had to have known once it was on and then voted in, there’s probably not a court in the land that’d do something so foolish as to reverse a constitutional amendment undertaken by the people.
The court derives its own power from that document, so to say that the elected representatives or the people who give both the courts and the people elected to office their ultimate power can’t do what they just did makes no legal sense. Had Gavin Newsome and the rest of the so-called “activists” in California just bided their time, they’d have probably had this privilege sooner rather than later. But instead, they had to stir the passions of the majority of people who just aren’t ready yet to grant marriage privileges to anybody but one man and one women as a single couple. Now, many of them look foolish as a result of their reaction to the passage of Prop. 8.
It may be a cosmic unfairness that the current push in California to grant a right to marriage for gays ran up against this roadblock, but legally, it is what it is.
T.
Only thing I can see getting in the way, is the fast growing Mexican population. I believe as a block, they voted against gays being able to marry
1.- Calling American Latinos “Mexicans” is as ignorant as calling Will Smith “Kenian”.
2.- The turn out of Latinos was 53% YES vs 47% NO. So it was not a blowout either and they did not vote as a “block”.
3.- http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#val=CAI01p1
I was going to say, Mexicans don’t get to vote in our elections.
1.- Calling American Latinos “Mexicans” is as ignorant as calling Will Smith “Kenian”.
2.- The turn out of Latinos was 53% YES vs 47% NO. So it was not a blowout either and they did not vote as a “block”. \
Ok, Latino Americans, whatever…I’m sure a lot of Haitian’s and other blacks that are not from Africa(not that many are to begin with) are not crazy about getting lumped in with African Americans either…I think you got my point, and it wasn’t meant to be racist…
As to the %, my point was that in the near future, whatever you want to call them, will become a majority in our state, and if that number were to hold, it will just be that much larger…And for the record, there are all sorts of voting blocks, and they do not all vote one way. WHat makes them a block, is that they generally vote a certain way most of the time. Since this group is comprised of a lot of Catholics, it is not suprising to me that they would lean the way they did…None of what I said was a commentary on their choice of vote, just an observation of what the demographic in our state is doing…
And for the record, half my family is of Mexican decent, and my mother grew up there…But I understand your pointing out to me that a small % of that group, are not from Mexico, or had ancestors that were from there…There seems to be a touchyness in the “what group am I in these days”…I believe around here, and on census forms, it is called Hispanic…But that could have changed too, I’m not in the loop for updates…
Since this group is comprised of a lot of Catholics, it is not suprising to me that they would lean the way they did…None of what I said was a commentary on their choice of vote, just an observation of what the demographic in our state is doing…
Not to interrupt your roll, but how surprised are you to learn that Catholics voted in favor of Prop 8 44% to 48% against?
but how surprised are you to learn that Catholics voted in favor of Prop 8 44% to 48% against?
That would suprise me…2 questions, where did you get the stat, and what happened to the other 8%?
I agree. it will pass soon…i think what really stirred the pot was the judges cancelling all those votes the first time…that pisses people off…
That would suprise me…2 questions, where did you get the stat, and what happened to the other 8%?
field poll. Beats me where the other 8% went.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/north-american-politics/72711-prop-8s-voter-demographics.html