Where's osama?

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i’m hoping this doesn’t get out of hand, but i ask the question sincerely. i haven’t been following the story too much, and to be honest it really hasn’t been that prominent in the news.

who’s looking for him? are there people on the ground or is it more of an intelligence thing? what are the commonest assumptions on where he is or has been? islamic africa? indonesia? the 'stans? middle east? elsewhere?

is he dead?

this story’s really dropped off the radar lately, but i think a really good investigative journalist or film-maker should take it up - i think there’s probably a fascinating tale to be told there.

-mike

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who’s looking for him? are there people on the ground or is it more of an intelligence thing? what are the commonest assumptions on where he is or has been? islamic africa? indonesia? the 'stans? middle east? elsewhere?

Anyone who asks questions like that must really hate America:)

I’ll review. After 9/11 we were told that no expense would be spared to bring him to justice and Bush said he would be found, dead or alive (he even got a standing ovation for that line). Then, after it was clear our intelligence was not up to the task, we decided to distract the attention of Americans by invading Iraq and then stating, he is no longer important.

Finally, we have convinced ourselves that even though we don’t know where he is, we are pretty sure he is hiding in a cave (I’ll leave you to figure out that logic).

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we decided to distract the attention of Americans by invading Iraq and then stating, he is no longer important.
Just curious–do you think he is still the player he was, or are there more important players?

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when did last appear on tape/radio? for a while there he was releasing video statements often, but i can’t remember hearing one in ages.

-mike

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I believe it is over one year now.

You don’t call – You don’t write

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Osama is not important. We are fighting terrorists in Iraq. We’re safe at home. He doesn’t concern us any more.

LOOK A PUPPY!

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I’m pretty sure I saw him working the night shift at a village pantry in Gary, IN.

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Now watch this drive.

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wow - where to start?

I have asked this question many times - and held the belief that once it proved too difficult to locate and capture or kill OBL - the hunt turned to Saddam.

Well - Saddam was caught - so what efforts are now being channeled back at OBL?

Could it be that the US govt does NOT want the media on top of their plans to find him and bring him to justice? Possibly and that is a good thing because the media serves no purpose in any of this other than to give opinion and skew the facts (call it what it is - sensationalism) to have the “best” version of the same news.

I think the WORLD will be a safer place - not just the US - when OBL is located and dealt with

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I think you partially hit on the answer. Giving out too much info would possibly compromise sources and cause problems for our people on the ground there.

Also, my personal opinion is that we probably have a pretty good idea of where he is, and we are gathering intel about the network through monitoring who tries to communicate with him. So, in a way, he may be worth more to us in the interim where he is. But, meanwhile, reports are he is pretty well marginalized as the leader of AQ.

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we probably have a pretty good idea of where he is, and we are gathering intel about the network through monitoring who tries to communicate with him.

I doubt that. The longer we keep it secret, the longer his status grows in the Muslim world.

**But, meanwhile, reports are he is pretty well marginalized as the leader of AQ. **

What reports? How can we not know where he is on one hand, but know he is marginalized and living in a cave on the other. Is it wishful thinking or based on some facts? I’m amazed how often we can be lulled into a false sense of security because we think we know something that fits our pre-conceived notions.

I know I’ll sleep better when we prove he is killed, or we capture him (highly unlikely). And for those who say he is not important, I bet the day we do confirm his death you will stop saying that and portray it as a great victory in the fight against terror.

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I’m pretty sure I saw him working the night shift at a village pantry in Gary, IN.

No crap??? I am 30 miles from Gary, which VP is it? I’ll get my gun and take his punk ass down in the next hour.

Just curious why you didn’t do the same?

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Anyone who asks questions like that must really hate America:)

I’ll review. After 9/11 we were told that no expense would be spared to bring him to justice and Bush said he would be found, dead or alive (he even got a standing ovation for that line). Then, after it was clear our intelligence was not up to the task, we decided to distract the attention of Americans by invading Iraq and then stating, he is no longer important.

Finally, we have convinced ourselves that even though we don’t know where he is, we are pretty sure he is hiding in a cave (I’ll leave you to figure out that logic).

Casey,

A few quick questions for you?

  1. Is it possible for the US Military to do more than one task simultaneously? i.e. Fight a battle in two separate locations, fight a battle in one location while doing humanitarian work in a another, or Fight a battle in 1 location while searching for someone in another.

  2. Do you have a secret line on intel concerning OBL.

If so then

  1. What have our military movements if any in the search for OBL been, how many soldiers if any are looking for OBL at any given time. How many soldiers does it take to put on an effective search for OBL

  2. Since you have a line on the intel, what is the prevailing thought on releasing that intel? Is it helpful in that it will help capture OBL, or would releasing such intel be harmful in the search and capture/kill of OBL.

Mattinsf you can respond also if you want, but I doubt you will.

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Is it possible for the US Military to do more than one task simultaneously? i.e. or Fight a battle in 1 location while searching for someone in another.

Apparently not since neither are going particularly well.

Do you have a secret line on intel concerning OBL.

No I don’t and that is why I am wondering where the intelligence is coming from that allows many here to know that he is living in a cave or is not still directing operations. It appears that many are convinced he is no longer a threat and so their intelligence must be way better than mine, because I haven’t heard anything about him.

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Apparently not since ne****ither are going particularly well.

Really? Lets see

IRAQ

Hussein- no longer in power- Victory, Captured- Victory, On Trial - Victory

Two Exceptionally Successful Democratic Election held for the first time ever in Iraq- Victory

Another election in 8 days- Victory

Women witht eh right to Vote –Victory

Children and Girls back in school –Victory

No more torture chambers- Victory

OBL-

No terrorist attack in the US in over 4 years- Victory

No tape or public communication from OBL in over a year- Victory

Many many top OBL Lieutenants and Advisors captured or killed in the pursuit of OBL- Victory

OBL’s finances crippled –Victory

Personally I think you really seem to dwell on the negative and have a crappy view of what is really happening over there given the task at hand. You are always bringing up the negative with no mention or respect for the positive things that we have done. It took decades to rebuild Germany and Japan after WWII, but you somehow think Iraq should be all tidied up in just a few short years. Eric Rudolph ran free with a tent, and a pair of shoes, and no outside support, for 4 or 5 years in the mountains of NC right under the police and FBI’s nose. But you somehow think tracking down a man who has the support of others with money to spend in the terrain that makes the NC mountains look like foot hills in a foreign country of which some parts the local government has no control should somehow be easy.

The bottom line is that our military is way more than capable of handling more than one task at a time and to say that because we are in Iraq, that we are no longer looking for OBL is simply stupid.

**No I don’t and that is why I am wondering where the intelligence is coming from that allows many here to know that he is living in a cave or is not still directing operations. It appears that many are convinced he is no longer a threat and so their intelligence must be way better than mine, because I haven’t heard anything about him. **

Ok so you don’t have a line on intel on OBL glad you admit that.

So since you and I don’t really know what going on with OBL how do you really know what is going concerning his search. In noticed you didn’t reply to my questions about the release of intel regarding his search. My guess is that we have not been given any up to date intel in some time because that is the best way to get this guy. We simply do not need to know, and until the guy is dead or caught that is fine by me.

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Forgive me for dwelling on the fact that a guy who killed 3,000 Americans is still on the loose 5 years after the fact. 5 years after our President told us he’d leave no rock unturned to bring this guy in dead or alive…and then he went after the guy who tried to kill his pappy instead.

Forgive me please.

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Forgive me for dwelling on the fact that a guy who killed 3,000 Americans is still on the loose 5 years after the fact. 5 years after our President told us he’d leave no rock unturned to bring this guy in dead or alive…and then he went after the guy who tried to kill his pappy instead.

Forgive me please.

Did you go to public school?

5 Years?? By my math we are at 4 years a few months.

Please show me your overwhelming evidence that we are not searching for OBL as we speak.

Please site for me your evidence that the war in Iraq had any negative effect on the search for OBL.

Please list for me all of the terrorist attacks in the US that have happened since 9/11/2001 that OBL was involved in since in your opinion we are not searching for OLB and he has free will to do what ever he wants

And since you are so brilliant when it comes to searching for bad guys please reveal to me and the rest of S.T. along with the military exactly how you would so easily track OBL down. While you are at it you might want to pass on your secrets to the FBI and local police officials since they can’t seem to track down bad guys right here in the US.

I’ll be waiting breathlessly for your enlightened response, I am sure it will be very educational for all who read.

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So then you agree with me that the war in Iraq has had absolutly no effect on the search for OLB. And that there is no reason to bring up the war in Iraq in the context of the effectiveness of the search for OBL.

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**So then you agree with me that the war in Iraq has had absolutly no effect on the search for OLB. And that there is no reason to bring up the war in Iraq in the context of the effectiveness of the search for OBL. **

LOL. Nice try.

I am saying there is no way of proving it either way so yes, maybe it’s best not to link the two so I will stop and I’ll thank you in advance for doing the same:)

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**So then you agree with me that the war in Iraq has had absolutly no effect on the search for OLB. And that there is no reason to bring up the war in Iraq in the context of the effectiveness of the search for OBL. **

LOL. Nice try.

I am saying there is no way of proving it either way so yes, maybe it’s best not to link the two so I will stop and I’ll thank you in advance for doing the same:)

What is that you are expecting me to stop? You are the one saying the war has had an negative effect with no proof to back it up, not me.