Where to Retire?

BACKGROUND: My brother, his girlfriend, and my partner and I all immensely enjoy each others’ company and eventually we’d like to retire together, perhaps sharing a duplex or maybe two adjacent residences. My brother’s girlfriend’s job is shaky in the current economic downturn, so they may want to move into their retirement quarters in the near future. (My brother runs a Web business, which he can continue to operate wherever he lives.) My partner and I, OTOH, anticipate continuing to work another half dozen years or so, assuming the downturn doesn’t impact us too. Thus we’ll probably want to purchase the intended retirement property at the same time as my brother does, probably renting it out until we are ready to retire ourselves. IOW, we may need to make a decision about where to retire in the near future.

GEOGRAPHICAL CRITERIA: We’ve been trying to figure out the best retirement area for us, and I’d like to solicit some input from other Slowtwitchers. (My brother joined Slowtwitch recently, so he may chime in too.) Our basic selection criteria, based on considerable discussion, are approximately as follows:

  1. Mild, dry climate. In our current location, our mild winters (average January low of 40 F) are fine, but the hot, humid summers (average July-August high of 92 F) are difficult for us to deal with and would be even more so for my brother.

  2. Opportunities for a physically and mentally active lifestyle. Good road cycling, running, and swimming training venues are a must. Also highly desirable are opportunities for intellectual and cultural stimulation (e. g., continuing education).

  3. Affordable cost of living (including low taxes). We expect to live for many more decades, so we can’t afford to consume our retirement nest eggs prematurely.

  4. Healthy, safe environment. Not too high a crime or pollution rate, in particular.

  5. Avoiding some of the worst depredations of statism.

  6. Aesthetics. My brother and I are especially partial to the scenery of the US West–Arizona, California, etc.

BTW, we would not rule out settling in another country, even a non-English-speaking country, if it satisfies the above criteria.

POSSIBILITIES WE HAVE DISCUSSED:

Based on what we’ve investigated so far, it seems unlikely that any location in the world will meet all six of the above criteria, so we will have to compromise to some degree.

At first, we were discussing Arizona as a possibility, until we started investigating the climate statistics and realized that we would have to deal with either very cold winters or very hot summers (possibly both), depending on the altitude of the town we chose. It seems that Arizona would be a very nice place to live with respect to all the other criteria, though.

Thinking more about the climate criterion #1, it seemed to us that the only US state that really meets that criterion very well is California. A town like Santa Barbara would also offer a stimulating and pleasant environment. But does any place in California have a very affordable cost of living? Also, living in California, where the regulatory atmosphere is extreme and the government is in upheaval, would be problematic in view of #5.

Looking abroad, Australia and New Zealand seem to be among the most freedom-loving nations according to several surveys. From the statistics in Wikipedia, New Zealand seems to be rather too cold for us. We were looking seriously at Sidney, a very beautiful and culturally friendly city with a great climate, until we noticed in Wikipedia that it is the 15th expensive city in the world. (By way of comparison, NYC is 22nd.)

Can anyone offer some relevant information regarding these or other geographical possibilities?

EDIT TO ADD: JenHS’s post reminded me of another point. Although it would not be a necessity, a plus for the new location would be opportunities to for post-retirement employment, perhaps part-time. (My career has been in IT, although my degrees are in music.)

My grandparents did the two state thing, winters in one place, summers in another. I always thought that was a nice solution. They did winters in south Texas and summers in Wisconsin. Texas was their “home” for obvious tax reasons. I’d probably enjoy that, too – Austin TX or further south in winter, Madison WI in summers.

New Mexico is fantastic. Prescott AZ gives you 4 seasons. Utah is also a worthy contender.

We thought about that. In fact, in a state like Arizona where the climate in Flagstaff is so different from that of Phoenix, you might even want to have two homes within the same state. But while we’re reasonably affluent, we’re not super-rich, and I don’t see any way of accomplishing that without almost doubling our housing costs.

OTOH, if BOTH of the states we chose had very low costs of living, that might work out reasonably well.

Climate-wise, Prescott does look like a reasonable compromise as far as Arizona cities is concerned. It’s worth considering, although the winters (23F-51F) are still pretty cold and my brother might find the summers (58F-88F) pretty hot. The daytime high in the winter (when I’d go out for my runs) isn’t much cooler than in Atlanta, where I lived for 20+ years.

what is all this talk about “partner and I”? If it is what I think it means, move to Key West and be gone…

Learn French, and move to Mougins/Opio/Grasse/Antibes/Cannes or Provence (Luberon maybe)…Enjoy great weather, great scenery, fantastic food, close to the mountains, on the sea.

the highlands of Panama
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As a matter of fact, I used to be fairly fluent in French and could probably regain it reasonably easily. My brother also knows some French, and my partner is good at languages. Francois, what do you think the cost of living would be like for American expatriates, who have been accumulating retirement accounts in American dollars during our years in the US, living in France?

4 adults, having retired wisely in US dollars would do just fine. You could also pay for French social security + ‘mutuelle’ and benefit from socialized medicine. One thing to not worry about.

Buying a place ‘may’ be expensive (haven’t lived there in a while, and I’m a bit out of touch with the prices in this region) but renting is not as bad as Paris. You could get something very nice for about 1600 euros or so.

Southern Oregon or Carson Valley, NV are my choices right now. Actually going to Savanah in May to look around. Santa Barbara is perfect if you have $1 mil to dedicate to your housing.

BTW, we would not rule out settling in another country, even a non-English-speaking country, if it satisfies the above criteria.

Since all the freedom-loving peoples of the world seem to reside in NZ or OZ, I think it’d be a natural fit for ya, buddy :wink:

BK

Zipp might chime in but one of my favorite places I’ve ever lived was Sedona, AZ. Not super cheap but compaired to where I live now it is quite reasonable. Great outdoors opportunities, driving distance to Flagstaff and Phoenix. If I could earn a living there I’d move in a heartbeat. It is on our long term list though.

It can get hot in the summer and cool in the winters but honestly, the heat isn’t nearly as suffocating in AZ as it is in the Southeast. Go for a visit in July, check out the shops and restaurants. They keep everything cool and it cools off at night by a good 30 degrees.

http://www.dreamsedona.com/weather.html

As a matter of fact, Sedona is one of the places we’ve been researching.

PM zipp, he owns a B&B/Hotel there and can give you good info.

Well, I’m jealous. 25+ years till retirement for me, but I’ll live vicariously through you Rob. :slight_smile:

Some suggestions:

  1. Santa Fe, NM: I thoroughly enjoyed my visit to Santa Fe, though I’m not sure if the climate would work for you. It was 100F one day, but after working summers in Florida, it didn’t feel that bad.

  2. NC Mountains: I’m about an hour’s drive from the mountains and really love it. I’ve heard good things about Ashville, NC and many of the smaller college towns as well.

  3. Pacific Northwest: Unbeatable scenery.

  4. New Zealand: I’ve had friends from NZ, and I’ve met people who have travelled and/or lived there temporarily. The consensus is that New Zealanders are some of the nicest, fun, and good people around. That’s something to think about.

Please keep up posted on your search.

Good luck!!

Well, I’m jealous. 25+ years till retirement for me,

Retirement is something to look forward to because there’s no other choice except a dirt nap. Most of us who are ready to retire would prefer to be 25 years younger.

Well, I’m jealous. 25+ years till retirement for me,

Retirement is something to look forward to because there’s no other choice except a dirt nap. Most of us who are ready to retire would prefer to be 25 years younger.
You obviously haven’t met my boss.

the highlands of Panama

Dammit, quit driving the price up! It’ll be a couple years until we can scoop up some land.

In all honesty, that would work well for you guys (the OP)- cool in the evenings, never really too hot in the day. It gets to 75-80, but the sun is INTENSE. Lots of gringos, though- could be good or bad…

Take a look at some of the communities in the Blue Ridge Mountains. Asheville is on our radar, as is Blacksburg, VA, Charlottesville, VA, and Harrisonburg, VA. A guy in my class can retire in 4 years, and is looking into Lubbock, TX.

Always a fun search for that ultimate place, huh? Great places are expensive most of the time- everyone wants to live there!

New Mexico is fantastic

I moved near Ruidoso NM, because it was one of the last decent mountain towns that hadn’t yet been californicated. How does 16 acres of beautiful land with paved roads and utilities, 20 minutes from town (~10k population), for $79k sound? Better yet they are zoned so you can build two houses on each lot.

Climate: Very mild IMO. Sunny high of 50 in Jan, high of 82 in Jul with occasional afternoon thunderstorms. Pretty dry all year. Even though the winters are fairly cold I just don’t find it bothersome… I can ride all year with ease. Around town is mostly pine forest, transitioning to pinion and juniper and grassland as you go down in elevation.

Recreation: Cycling and running are great of course, and there is a good pool at the health club in town. Big ski resort nearby as well. Other than that this is traditionally a Texas resort town, so lots of cowboy stuff and a race track, plus the Apache Res has a nice casino (which I ride by a lot but have never been in). There is a big theatre for plays and such if you are into that.

Education: Just a JC… one of the major minuses IMO. You could easily get a job teaching there though if you wished.

Politics and Taxes: This is a traditionally a conservative republican area. Property and income taxes in NM are lower than most places.

I like it here. If you’d like to be a little closer to “the action” check out Socorro NM or even parts of ABQ. It is warmer in the summer there, but oddly about the same in winter.