What should a bike shop employee look like?

In the thread about the Nytro post there was some commentary to the effect that the (former)employee in question may not have had the typical physical appearance of an athlete. That opened the debate about whether or not an athletic appearance/aptitude is a prerequisite to being a competent bikeshop employee and/or lends credibility to them.

In general, I think what is true of society is true here also: You can’t judge a book by its cover. I can think of a number of personalities within the industry who certainly do not have an athletic physique, but whose credibility, knowledge and expertise is beyond reproach. John Cobb himself may not necessarily look like an Ironman winner, but when John says something about equipemtn, position or bike set-up, you better believe I listen to what he has to say. He has established and proven his credibility along with many others in our sport who will never be cover models in a swimsuit shoot for Triathlete magazine. On the flip side does having the build of a Van Lierde or Hellriegel qualify you as an expert? No. Absolutely not. We are fortunate enought to have several very elite level athletes as regular customers at our store. One has completed the Tour de France nine times- more than any other American. He still can’t fix his own bike and does not know his own saddle height by heart. Another, who competed in the Olympic triathlon and has won a number of World Cup and ITU events, could not find the seatstays on their own bike becasue they are not familiar with the vernacular.

Physical ability and appearance and athletiscism do not necessarily confirm credibility. For that matter, even going to fit schools and parading around as an “expert” doesn;t do that. There are an enormous number of new “triathlon specialty stores” showing up since the sport is huge now and bikeshops are figuring out that a triathletes dollar has 100 cents too. Just because they sat through F.I.S.T. and ate Monty’s fine Mexican cuisine at Xantusia doesn’t necessarily confirm them as authoritative or even competent to advise clients on appropriate bike purchases and position. I’ve seen some of the “fittings” these guys have done. You don’t have to be very experienced to see their work is butt-assed, dick-in-dirt wrong.

What should a qualified bike shop employee look like? They should look like whatever a person who has a lot of experience, has learned as much as they can, takes their job and commitment to customers very seriously and is always trying to learn and is a good critical thinker. That is the most important thing. At least that is my opinion.

What is this? Tom starting to use paragraphs?

I demand an explantion!

Hey Tom! Whilst you’re in a writing mood, why don’t you write something for your website? Either that or change where it says, “Read our new *daily *editorial here!”

Hey tough guy, in the past ninety days I’ve written over 200,000 words including finishing a book. So phooey to you :slight_smile:

And, since you mention it, the daily editorial isn;t written daily, you’re just supposed to read it daily.

But seriously, look for some new content in the next 45 minutes on our site (no shit). And also a new editorial by tomorrow morning or this evening.

I took a break for a while.

And, as far as using paragraphs, well, it depends largely on how fast I have to write… Heck, Dan doesn’t even use puntuation or upper case letters if I recall correctly.

A bike shop employee need not look like a bicycle racer anymore than say, a football coach needs to look like a player. Knowledge doesn’t have a given look, and it’s knowledge we want from a bike shop, not the ability of the employee to ride fast.

Personally, I think the best idea is to find somebody who “looks like you” when you’re shopping for a bike, shoes, etc. A 250 lb triathlete is probably going to be able to relate well to a 250 lb salesman. That salesguy is going to be familiar with the issues facing a bigger athlete - flat feet & pronation issues, frame flexibility & durability, frame geometry and head tube issues, wheel durability, wetsuit fit, etc, etc, etc. The great thing about Chig and John Cobb is that they doesn’t look like Simon Lessing. A lot of the customers don’t either. This is also why every triathlon shop should have female triathletes on staff to relate to the issues affecting women customers.

Personally, one of my favorite sources of information is Cid Cardoso Jr (Inside Out Sports). He has used a lot of different equipment to get a good background knowledge and he races the same courses I do at about the same speed. We are also almost exactly the same weight and height. IMO, this is the type of person you should look to for help. Just because a guy/girl is fast doesn’t mean that they have knowledge, particularly about the same issues that affect an individual customer.

What should a bike shop employee look like…

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a bike shop is a business and not everyone that looks like, or is a bike racer is also a competant businessman/woman. At some point, if a shop doesn’t have the right people making smart business decisions, they need to look outside of the local peloton.

Blonde, long legs…

Seriouly, I don’t care what the employee looks like as long as

1: They know their shit (that becomes obvious quickly)
2: They understand the art of customer service. Quick story. I brought my bike in to my LBS before a race last year to get a tune-up. When I got it back they did everything they said they would PLUS touched up the paint on my 1999 Cannondale.
3: They don’t make me feel stupid for not knowing a lot about my bike
4: They give a shit. About their job, my bike, my race, etc.
5. They are blonde with great legs. Did I mention that already?

I had a young guy in a St. Louis bike shop tell me that John Cobb should come in there he could learn something. I just smiled.
I was in a race last year and was looking my competition over there were a couple of great looking guys with really nice bikes, they were real hard bodies, I set my sights on beating them and I did, guess what a couple of fellows with a little belly and not much muscle beat me.This happens often (why don’t I learn?)
I do have to say that when most people walk into a shop they judge it by how the workers “LOOK”. I guess thats just human nature.(not for all but most).
There is a local shop that I also go to often and they have a balding sort of heavy type working there who is very friendly. One day when I had just started going there he asked if I was doing the local weekend race. I said I was , he said he was also. He won the thing againest some very good competition.

“What should a qualified bike shop employee look like?”

No offense Tom, but this is a really dumb post. I’m not at all concerned whether or not the guy working on my bike looks like a movie star or Quasimoto. What you want in an employee is loyalty, competency, ethics, honesty, concern for the customer, willingness to learn, enthusiasm and an ability to relate to people. This is what I look for in people that have worked for me. Having a good sales ability wouldn’t hurt either in your business. If people have these qualities and happen to be good looking then they should consider themselves blessed, but I’m sure you’d never anyone on good looks alone.

I agree with Tom. I live in a Detroit suburb and shop at Bikesport all the time and even though no one there looks like an athlete or cyclist they sure do a damn fine job of fitting bikes! :o)

"they have a balding sort of heavy type working there "

Sounds like the fella in our roadie group that drops everyone every Tuesday night. Must be the same guy.

This debate occurs in all sports.

Do you want a baseball coach that never played the sport? Do you ask muscle building advice from a guy that has 13-inch arms and 20-inch legs? Do you ask an ugly, lonenly, single guy “how to attract women”? Do you ask the guy with a 1.8GPA advice on “how to prepare for a test”?

Conversly, asking someone that has always been good at sports, always had large muscles, and has always been very intelligent, is not always the best person to ask either. Someone that has naturally excelled at something has no perspective on the struggle to improve at a slower rate.

The general tip is to find someone that started out in a situation similar to yours, and progressed to a point where you want to be. Listen to what they say, keep what works for you, drop what doesn’t. Don’t blindly follow someone’s advice b/c of who they are, and don’t continue to do something that doesn’t work for you just because it seems to “work for everyone else”.

More times than not, a successful athlete will look the part. There will always be an exception, but that exception is rare.

If you are a good athlete and don’t look athletic, you can’t be shocked when people dquestion the validity of your advice. No one asks a homeless guy for stock market tips.

I have always said “You are a billboard for your activity”.


I don’t know about “What should they look like?”, but I know what they “do look like”. They look like they work at the cycle shop b/c “there’s no drug tests, man”, and they look like they get paid in tatoos. =)

The folks at the cycle shop in my area have went above and beyond the customer service I expected, and are really cool people. So, I overpay on water bottles that have their logo on them. The least I can do is a little advertising for them, after all the free help and advice they have given me.

“Do you ask muscle building advice from a guy that has 13-inch arms and 20-inch legs?”

I don’t discriminate against people based on their height.

What was that Saturday Night Live skit with Jimmy Fallon–“Your company’s IT guy” or something? A guy can be super knowlegeable about an area but may lack the ability to communicate to those who are at a lesser level. How many pro athletes succesfully transition to coaching/teaching? The people skills matter the most in sales.

Brett

Wow, this has gotten out of hand. Sorry to ANYONE that has taken any offense by the question in my post. My problem is NOT with people’s size! One of my friends is a true guru with regard to bike set-up, bike repair, custom bike building, wheel building, etc. and he is quite a BIG guy. But you know what? He rides almost every bloody day, most days riding to work in weather that would wilt some elite riders.

What I was TRYING to bring up was the issue of credibility and that some things add to the appearance of credibility and some things detract from it. Sometimes appearances are deceiving and sometimes appearances are NOT deceiving. As probably most people would, I would rather get guidance in ANY sport or skill from someone who at least practices (practiced?) the sport/skill that I am interested in. And admittedly, some only fair athletes are often FAR better teachers and coaches than are elite athletes, as the fair athletes are the ones who have started at the bottom and know the most about the learning curve and know the most about how to effectively improve. But in my opinion, it does help to actually DO or participate in the skill one is trying to teach. Some (bike) shop employees do. Some do not. And that is life.

Who of us is thrilled to see their airline pilot snookered up in the hotel bar the night before their flight, no matter how friggin’ skilled he/she is? or their doctor with a cigarette hanging from his lips? or the local ‘family values’ politician in divorce court for the 2nd time? or the CEO of a charity with a couple of Ferraris in the garage? or their financial advisor filing for bankruptcy? etc. None of these things specifically refer to a person’s skill at doing their job, but all of them refer to credibility. What I was saying earlier was that it APPEARED that some tri shop employees don’t seem to have any interest (time?) to participate in the sport that they advise others on. I found that discouraging and odd. End of post.

My favorite guy at one of the local shops changes his hair color all the time . . . who give a crap what they look like as long as they make me happy. I’m a rather cynical and skeptical person and I will be able to tell if they know what the hell they are talking about after about 5 sentences. We all have a few questions we ask the new shop employees to get a feel for their knowledge level. If they answer the questions correctly, they could look like Michael Jackson as far as I am concerned (well, maybe that is a bit much).

“And, as far as using paragraphs, well, it depends largely on how fast I have to write… Heck, Dan doesn’t even use puntuation or upper case letters if I recall correctly.”

But unlike e e cummings, Dan CAN fit a bike. He’s excused.

Back in the high school discus-heaving days, I first met a coach who was one of the best pole vault coaches in the midwest. If you were involved in high school track in Michigan, you knew Jim Gardiner. Jim not only never pole vaulted in his life, he was also paralized from the waist down after a diving accident when he was young.

Since then, I’ve been operating under the assumption that physical appearance means zip about coaching ability.