What is the difference between cyclocross and road setup?

ok smarty pants…how come my 700 x 23 tire won’t fit on my old 27inch rim? i’ve tried… won’t fit. Won’t fit? If it’s a true 27" rim then it will be a tight fit it’s 8mm larger in diameter.
an how come my 27x1 tire won’t fit on th 700 rim???i’ve tried…doesn’t fit. It should, maybe you don’t know what you are doing.

*could that be because one is made for a 700 and one is for a 27inch??? In as late as the 70’s yes. How old is your 27" wheel? 27 inch, or 630mm (sometimes 633mm) hasn’t been made for almost 30 years.

they are slightly different sizes. not much, but differnt sizes…yes.

luke
I’m not saying 27 inch rims don’t exist. There are tens of different sizes of rims from 26" to 28", but only two are made now.

you just proved yourself wrong!

from sheldonbrown.com

ISO Bead Seat Diameter Traditional Designations 635 mm 28 x 1 1/2 630 mm 27 x anything 622 mm 700 C
Uh… no, but you just proved yourself ignorant.

You are wrong on this one.
Cullen

ignorant?..here let me simplify it for you

iso bead set diameter on a 27x anything =630mm

iso bead set diameter on 700 = 622mm

8mm of difference is different.

AND YOU JUST SAID THAT THERE IS A 8MM DIFFERENCE IN YOUR POST ABOVE…SO YOU DO ADMIT THEY ARE DIFFERENT SIZES. DO YOU JUST WANT TO ARGUE?

You are wrong on this one.
Cullen

Again, I’m not saying 27" wheels and tires don’t exist. Countless kinds and sizes of tires and rims have been made for bicycles, often varying from country to country. In 1970 tire and rim standards were set by the European Tire and Rim Technical Organization and adopted by the International Standards Organization. Since that time, 700c became the standard and is sometimes referred to as a 27". A true 27" (or 630-633mm) rim hasn’t been made since 1987.

ignorant?..here let me simplify it for you

iso bead set diameter on a 27x anything =630mm

iso bead set diameter on 700 = 622mm

8mm of difference is different.

AND YOU JUST SAID THAT THERE IS A 8MM DIFFERENCE IN YOUR POST ABOVE…SO YOU DO ADMIT THEY ARE DIFFERENT SIZES. DO YOU JUST WANT TO ARGUE?
Are you thick? Read my posts.

“sometimes referred to as a 27” is much much different than “27 and 700 are the same thing”

thanks for fessing up.

your just like a politician.

your (sic) just like a politician.
No… but you taking things out of context is just like a politician.

mojo. let us review:

the conversation involved an older touring bike. the 27 in rim was standard on touring bikes, back in the day. at this time more performance minded bikes came with 700C. the two sizes were not interchangable, for tires, and in fact were not even close. if our original poster holds up his fuji’s 27 rim next to a 700C rim this would plainly obvious. thus, remaining in context, your assertions are completely incorrect, despite your rather embarrassing attempts at spinning them true. funny, that.

further, your assertion that 700C and 27 in are interchangeable terms would be true only as a vague, and somewhat incomplete reference. certainly had you triied to say this during the bike boom 70’s, when touring bikes actually owned the market you would have laughed at - the topic of which was better, 700C or 27 in was, in fact, a hotly debated one.

amen brother!

mojo: read and weep

amen brother!

mojo: read and weep

Oops TTN… I stand corrected! I didn’t read that post about it being an older bike. If the original poster’s bike is an older (e.g. 1980’s) Fuji sport touring bike, it’s possible that his wheels are 27". My apologies. No spinning, though… what I’ve said about the wheels and tires is all correct.

Luke, though… you’re still a fool :wink:

well mojo - i am not sure what part of your previous assertions you still believe to be correct, as none of them were.

sun, and velocity still make 27 in rims, and your local specialized dealer will have (new) 27" tires to fit them.

no amount of “doing it right’ will make any of these tires stay put on a 700C rim, and no amount of " knowing what you are doing” will persuade a 27 in rim to host a 700C tire.

basically, luke was correct, and the best we can hope for from your commentary is to say it was about as accurate as calling all adult bikes other than mtn bikes “ten speeds”. play again some time, tho! hint, you may want to ease off on yer first post slamming the “misinformation on the internet”.

A couple must-read articles:

http://bikesportmichigan.com/features/cyclocross.shtml

http://allstarbikeshop.com/site/page.cfm?PageID=132

…and something about converting road to CX:

http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-69824-p-2
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Hi Jim

Well they kind of got off the subject with the 700c 27” wheel thing. But I hope I can help.

Cross is my main form of bike racing, so I think I can help.

Yes you can convert an old road bike to a cross bike a lot of people do that, including me. But if you find that you like cross you will benefit from a cross bike.

First off they have slacker angels, cantilever brake posts, more clearance for the mud (a must) and a higher bottom bracket to get over obstacles. If you do go out and buy a cross frame you will want to get one that is 1 or 2 cm smaller then your road frame because of the higher BB. So my road bike is a 60 or 61cm and my cross frame is a 59cm

The only big prob you will have with the converted road bike is if it’s nice a muddy with some grass, and you don’t have cantilever brakes in the back is you will get what we so lovingly call a “birds nest” at the back brake and it could slow or stop your back wheel from turning. But hey that’s cross and ya ride what you have. So if that’s what you have go for it!

But be careful you may get hooked, and then you’ll have to go buy a new bike! I know I did!! ha ha

Have fun!!!

Dan…

Not really looking at racing cross just building up a winter bike. May try a race just for fun. Anyway thanks for the answers guys and I hope you enjoyed your “spirited discussion”. I definetly have 80’s era 27" wheels and another poster has TSRed me some cross tire for it. I will wait and see how this works out. Although I am tempted to put 700 wheels on just so I can run studded tires.

well mojo - i am not sure what part of your previous assertions you still believe to be correct, as none of them were.

sun, and velocity still make 27 in rims, and your local specialized dealer will have (new) 27" tires to fit them.

no amount of “doing it right’ will make any of these tires stay put on a 700C rim, and no amount of " knowing what you are doing” will persuade a 27 in rim to host a 700C tire.

basically, luke was correct, and the best we can hope for from your commentary is to say it was about as accurate as calling all adult bikes other than mtn bikes “ten speeds”. play again some time, tho! hint, you may want to ease off on yer first post slamming the “misinformation on the internet”.

Interesting… other than your claim about 630mm clincher rims and/or tires being available (which I understood otherwise) none of your assertions above which you claim to be correct are.

Regardless… it’s been fun watching you bob and weave…