What I'm going to tell Ironman in the VR3 Survey

The first two VR “races” were a nice distraction from the current situation and a good motivation for training. Despite the teething troubles, I quite enjoyed them. VR3, however, was something else entirely. It will be the last virtual race in which I participate, and it may have turned me off from Ironman entirely. Let me elaborate.

The most obvious issue is the Strava debacle, and that is indeed a serious problem. As someone who’s training platform of choice is Tacx, your own website indicates that there is now no way to sync my activities. You made the problem worse by waiting until the last minute to announce the change, leaving many of us with no time to test an alternative platform or approach. This unnecessary delay directly contradicts the Sport Heroes web page linked in your FAQ which specifically says “please check your device is correctly set up by doing a test activity beforehand.”

Losing Strava connectivity wasn’t the only mistake you made with VR3. You changed the rules! With VR3, activities more than 1km longer than the specified distance are not counted. I only found out about this change by seeing a tweet hours after frustratingly trying to figure out why my 14 mile bike ride was counted. I can’t see any reason for this rule change, and at any rate it should have been prominently advertised, not buried several pages into the race instructions.

My bottom line on VR races: With all the hoops required to sync activities, and without the freedom to simply go for a ride or run that’s a slightly longer than the required distance, these events are no longer worth the hassle.

But that’s not my only issue. As a senior software engineer that’s worked on web platforms for decades, I find Ironman’s response to the Strava problem disgraceful. Strava is acting perfectly correctly. As a Strava user, I want assurance that when I link a third party platform, my data is only being shared with that platform. I was happy to give Ironman access to my Strava activities, but under no circumstances do I want the various corporate clients of Sport Heroes to have access to that data. I applaud Strava for taking what steps it can to ensure that integrity. (And I recognize that Ironman could easily turn around and sell the data that it gathers to corporate clients, but at least Strava is doing what it can.) If Sport Heroes is unable to segregate Ironman data with a separate API key, then quite simply their underlying architecture is pathetic. Next time do better due diligence in selecting a technology partner. And more importantly, stop with the misleading and mendacious social media campaign. The banner posted on Sport Heroes web pages linked from your site, which reads “We are currently experiencing issues with the synchronization of your Strava activities. Waiting for Strava to fix the technical issues on their side, we highly recommend you to connect another provider as this could take a while to be solved.” is nothing less than an outright lie. It is Sport Heroes that needs to fix their technical issues.

At this point the whole affair has left such a sour taste in my mouth that I doubt I’ll be participating in any Ironman events, real or virtual, in the future.

Thanks for reminding me why I don’t like hanging out with triathletes anymore. Hope you’re able to get past it.

You should ask for your money back…

*** sitting back and eating popcorn ***
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Regardless of the first world problems, the rampant obviously suspect times across all age groups really speaks to the inner workings of our peers. Pretty pathetic actually.

i’m a fan of IM and have been since i raced that race when the kona field size was 300. i’ll remain a fan of IM. but the STRAVA thing was an unforced error.

The changing of the rules was a pain. It hit a lot of people who’s results didn’t show. You aren’t alone in being unhappy about it.

It was actually explained in the communications that they sent to us. There was a section that said click here to review the rules. I will admit that I didn’t read it closely because I had done VR1 and VR2. But then when issues popped up somebody showed the online documentation - it was there.

I don’t want to diminish your annoyance with Ironman. I don’t think they did a good job communicating this change. Still, it the info was there. As the saying goes, the devil is in the details.

Some people in my age group were posting 21 minutes to ride 20km. I’d need a moto, or a mountaintop start.

This was my first Virtual IM event. I didn’t treat it as a race per se, just fit it into my normal training with a little boost. I liked it. It was a good distraction and something to focus on as I wait for my June IM to be cancelled.

I’m thinking maybe its a mid-life thing. 50-yo’s riding at 60km/hr and running world-record equivalent age graded 5k’s. I’d be deleting my activities if they were that far off from reality.

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. As a senior software engineer that’s worked on web platforms for decades, I find Ironman’s response to the Strava problem disgraceful. Strava is acting perfectly correctly. As a Strava user, I want assurance that when I link a third party platform, my data is only being shared with that platform. I was happy to give Ironman access to my Strava activities, but under no circumstances do I want the various corporate clients of Sport Heroes to have access to that data. I applaud Strava for taking what steps it can to ensure that integrity. (And I recognize that Ironman could easily turn around and sell the data that it gathers to corporate clients, but at least Strava is doing what it can.) If Sport Heroes is unable to segregate Ironman data with a separate API key, then quite simply their underlying architecture is pathetic.

As a senior software engineer you should realize that separate API keys don’t protect your data from being shared with other corporate clients of Sport Heroes. Even if they use separate keys, data from all partners can still go to one database table and misused as much as they want. API keys are not about data protection, they’re about API protection (surprisingly!). Having separate keys allows API provider to block or throttle access from certain clients if key gets compromised.

PS. Sorry, I’m being annoying triathlete as well, could’t help! :slight_smile:

I’m thinking maybe its a mid-life thing. ** 50-yo’s riding at 60km/hr** and running world-record equivalent age graded 5k’s. I’d be deleting my activities if they were that far off from reality.

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Yes my age group 55-59 the top three did
21:59 20K 33.9 MPH
21:21 20K 34.9 MPH
22:57 20K 32.5 MPH

I am suspect of the Top 5 in that age group

The hour record is 55 kph, so around 22 min over 20 k by one of the best TTers in the world in a velodrome, etc. Never seen an age grouper under 25 min at a sprint race. I would be embarrassed if I were to get a tech glitch clocking me at 22 min and would delete it.

i’m a fan of IM and have been since i raced that race when the kona field size was 300. i’ll remain a fan of IM. but the STRAVA thing was an unforced error.

Unforced?

All of these wankers can’t claim tech glitches. They know exactly what they’re doing. They’re all extremely clever in their virtual performance enhancement (cheating) solutions. Ironman VR is encouraging and enabling this by not attempting any sort of standards/protocol. Yeah, I know VR is free and its only 3 ‘races’ in. I get that but come on, then stop posting ‘age group results’ and just hand out the completion badges and sell the merch.

As far as selling the merch goes. My non athlete wife just completed the vr3 race. She walked the runs and may have used an ebike on the ride. ( she is recovering from cancer so has very low energy levels.) but she wanted to do it so I encouraged her and was so proud of her. I promised to get her an Ironman vr3 finisher tshirt as a reward. I have always told her she can’t wear any of my Ironman finisher stuff because she didn’t do the race. So this was part of the fun.

Anyways the $24 tshirt they offer. Was going to cost me $95 after shipping handling and customs and duties. ( I live in Canada). What a complete rip off. Very disappointed.

You banned her from wearing your IM finisher stuff? Who cares if she didn’t do the race, if she wants to wear it what’s the big deal. Does this mean all the people who wear NY Yankees hats, can’t anymore because they don’t play for the Yankees?

That sucks that shipping etc costs so much, but they can’t really do anything about duties or having to pay extra to send outside of the US. Was that price for express shipping? I ordered a trisuit from the IM store to Australia and shipping, taxes etc was only $45aud extra.

Thanks for reminding me why I don’t like hanging out with triathletes anymore. Hope you’re able to get past it.

which leaves me wondering then why you came to this website and read and commented on this post??

I imagine there’s bigger things to care about outside a fake face to get in shape. But goddamn how are some of these dudes clocking 37 miles an hour on the bike lol. Anyway I could care very little about my glorious lower rung Strava data. They aren’t able to do anything with it except laugh at my horrible run times

I’m doing Ironman Vr4 from my truck we are talking 3 min miles. And 50 mph bike passes.