Wetsuits Arrive Today - UPS "Out for Delivery"

Well, after sifting through pages of advice, reviews, and product websites I ordered two wetsuits that should arrive today.

I get 30 days to try them out but figure even just one (two at MOST) swims in the pool with both will tell me what I need to know.

Any last minute words of wisdom about fit other than the basics covered on sites like Slowtwitch, Bikesport, etc?

I am looking for those personal experience suggestions that others might not have known or thought of. Pretty excited if you can’t tell by my voice! :wink:

Michael

PS For those that are wondering I am comparing the fit/feel of an Ironman Instinct and an Orca Speedsuit.

be careful pulling them on and off - you tear it - you buy it!!!

Don’t be tirned off by how tight the neck feels. Standing up it feels really tight, but in the water and with your head position as it would be ehrn swimming (and with the adrenaline of race day) you won’t notice it.

Ditto on the comment about being careful. They do tear easy.

Get it all the way up in your crotch before you begin putting on the top part.

Get it all the way up into your armpits. You do not want it to be like a rubber band pulling your arms back down when you are extending them.

Also, I am tall and thin. I don’t know how you are built. But, I have heard Orcas run quite small and Ironmans did not seem to fit my body type. If you are not 100 percent thrilled then keep trying to find the right model or size, it’s out there waiting for you.

“I am comparing the fit/feel of an Ironman Instinct and an Orca Speedsuit.”

i am assuming you’ve chosen these wetsuits because you have a price constraint.

“I get 30 days to try them out but figure even just one (two at MOST) swims in the pool with both will tell me what I need to know.”

Would be interested to know who is letting you get away with this. 30 days AND swimming in the pool? They would be better off giving you a 2 for 1 deal than trying to sell a used wetsuit…

For the cost of shipping the suits around, my vote would have been to use the sizing on IM wetsuits site and upgraded to a Stealth.

“Would be interested to know who is letting you get away with this.”

people have been able to get away with this for 15 years. this was a standard offer of mine while at QR, and i probably started offering it around 1990 or so, and always did until i left in 1999.

“buy a QR and whatever other suit you’re interested in. try them both. return the one you like the least. if the other wetsuit manufacturer won’t agree to this, that ought to tell you everything you need to know.”

i believe T1 has that offer out there now. any wetsuit manufacturer who truly believes in the utility of his product won’t mind matching this offer.

Dan - with all due respect, that is simply a guarantee or marketing promotion. Maybe some chalk it up as the cost of business…or entry into market.

But, I do know that a wetsuit used for 30 days in a swimming pool isn’t much use to many…even on the 2nd hand market.

Shall a manufacturer increase the price of all wetsuit to pay for all the returns?

I’ve always when leary of companies that offer too good of guarantee or boost about their customer service…

Would be interested to know who is letting you get away with this.

Ever shop at Trisports.com?


For the cost of shipping the suits around, my vote would have been to use the sizing on IM wetsuits site and upgraded to a Stealth.

And if the Stealth did not fit well?

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“Shall a manufacturer increase the price of all wetsuit to pay for all the returns?”

not us. we didn’t have to worry. we made the best product, we knew we made the best product, 2 out of every 3 wetsuits sold in the U.S. were ours, we were return-proof. we got maybe 2 or 3 consumer returns a year, out of about 13,000 or 14,000 wetsuits sold annually, and we broadcast loudly our very liberal return policy. our warranty policy was even more liberal. maybe that’s why we did sell 2/3 of all north american triathlon wetsuits.

we would routinely get phone calls the likes of: “i’m deciding between yours and an ironman . why should i buy a QR?”

so, we’d answer as i describe above. buy them both. return the one you don’t like.

i bring this up only to answer a previous person’s question. yes, this deal is out there. any company that has confidence in its product won’t have any problem honoring it.

Fine, I’ll buy that.

Now, in 2006…let’s say every wetsuit company offers the same deal.

Problems happen.

I suppose its then a possible dealer/manufacturer issue.

Here’s the blurb from InsideOut’s site, which seems reasonable to me…

Inside-Out Sports Return Policy

Thank you for your purchase! We hope the entire order process has been a good one and that you’ll find it beneficial when ordering with us again.

If by chance you’d like to return an item under our “No-Risk 14 day Return Policy”, please adhere to the following: The customer is responsible for the cost of shipment on all returns being sent back to Inside-Out Sports. Any return shipping fees will be charged to the customer as well. No returns will be credited after 14 days. After that, items may be exchanged only per agreement with Inside-Out Sports. If you ship your product back to Inside-Out Sports and the 14-day period has passed, your product will not be accepted by Inside-Out Sports and will be shipped back to you AT YOUR EXPENSE. All items must be returned with the following: The original tags and warranty information if there is any A copy of invoice or receipt Manufacturer’s original packaging Written course of action desired (credit account, exchange, etc…) - see below Only wetsuits and bikes may be returned “test-driven” (for sizing purposes) within the 14-day window. All other items must be returned in brand new condition. Any damage or unreasonable wear on “test-driven” items will be charged to the customer at the discretion of Inside-Out Sports. Make very certain that shoes are never worn outside before returning. Inspect all tires prior to riding them. Used tires cannot not be accepted. Once a tire is ridden, it is NO longer returnable. Any damaged products must be reported to Inside-Out Sports within two business days of receiving your package. It is the customer and/or receiver’s responsibility to hold onto any packaging materials of any package or product that is damaged and requires a claim to be filed by Inside-Out Sports. If this is not done, Inside-Out Sports does not guarantee that any reimbursement will be issued.

Inside-Out Sports again thanks you for your purchase. We take great pride in providing our customers with the best products and services possible.

THERE IS NO NEED TO CALL REGARDING A RETURN IF YOU MEET THE PARAMETERS ABOVE. PRINT AND FILL OUT THIS FORM AND INCLUDE IT WITH YOUR RETURN.

I would really like to purchase a QR wetsuit just to see if they are as advertised, unfortuately, every QR suit I have tried on is too big in the middle (lots of extra material that I can pinch and move around) and I am a slim frame. 5’ 10, 151 lbs. I have found that the Orca and IM suits fit better, tighter. Any recommnedations on size? The QRs I have tried on have been size MS.

“Now, in 2006…let’s say every wetsuit company offers the same deal.”

heck, there are too many wetsuit companies as it is. the sport can only support 3 or 4 worldwide. there are probably 4 times that many. i think it would be great, because the wheat would separate from the chaff, and the companies that ought to go out of business would.

in any case, that was certainly not my problem while at QR. cid cardoso’s policy is pretty much what our policy was. 14 days. certainly enough time to take two wetsuits to the pool/lake/ocean, try them both out once or twice, and you’re going to know which you like the best.

in most cases, tho, suits aren’t sold mail order. they’re sold brick & mortar. so, no problem returning the suit. no freight. easy. and the retailer shouldn’t complain. great margins, high ticket, no assembly, easy money. twice a year he sends returned wetsuits back to the manufacturer for credit.

we also had a 2yr, no-fault warranty. i got very angry phone calls from other wetsuit manufacturers, who thought we were making life very tough for them. i imagine we were, for those who made wetsuits with questionable structural integrity. my view was, if you were going to buy a wetsuit of mine, you had a reasonable assumption it would last at least two years.

once a lady called, very flustered, she’d put her husband’s post-race wetsuit in the dryer. out came a ball of plastic. we said “send it in.” she did. it fit in a very small box. we sent her out a new wetsuit. 8 years later that man (her husband) signed a sponsorship deal with us, $750,000 over two years, to become a title sponsor of a race series we were producing. he recalled the incident. we never knew who the customer was, we were just honoring the warranty.

good service is nice. over-the-top service is another thing altogether, and it will come back to you.

“The QRs I have tried on have been size MS.”

i can’t speak for QR’s sizing nowadays. i can tell you that in my era 5’10" and 151 would probably have been a SMALL in QR. our weight cut-off was about 153. Dave Scott, Scott Tinley, Scott Molina, Lance Armstrong, Mark Allen, Mike Pigg, they were all MS, but they were all larger than you. Pigg was probably the lightest at around 155lb. The others were all 158 to 163 (remember, Lance was a 16yo and not as big yet).

then Welchy was an XS, he was like 138 or so. same for Kenny Souza. d who was a SMALL back then? i don’t remember. Wolfy and Jurgen were MS (tho Wolfy was aquaman for most of his career). Huddle was M. very few M wearers back then. mackle. ric wells.

anyway, my guess is that you should’ve been trying QR’s in one size down. but again, i don’t know if/whether/how QR’s sizing has changed in the last 6 years.

LOL…that’s a very nice story!!!

So…what does happen to all those returned suits? I see AMG is selling some via ebay. Can you donate and write it off? If through a retailer…do they simply go back to the manufacturer for an exchange?

“So…what does happen to all those returned suits?”

you take them to expos and sell them cheap, either yourself, or through a retailer. we used to reward our high volume expoing retailers by selling them “demos” in batches, at a cheap price, and it would allow them a loss leader at expos. we got our manufacturing cost back, the retailers got to sell these wetsuits anywhere from $75 to $200, customers with limited means were happy, everybody wins.

in fact, i’ll be working the “rubber” at mission bay’s booth at the chicago triathlon in a couple of weeks, and this is exactly what i’ll be doing – selling his demos as well as his first-quality suits.

but back to the QR days, we pretty much never had returned suits as demos, except when we’d replace a pro athletes wetsuit with a new one each year. we were mostly selling repaired warranty suits as demos.

I would also comment that, in my case, Trisports.com’s policy and coninually outstanding customer service have erned a loyal customer who will shop there first and will write posts like this one. It is probably worth the loss(?) to sell a few wetsuits at cost or a bit below.

In my case, I never swam in them but I did order about 6 wetsuits from them and returned 5. No questions asked and a prompt credit back to my card.

be careful pulling them on and off - you tear it - you buy it!!!

Good advice…I don’t want to be paranoid but I also don’t want the decision made for me.

Michael

Also, I am tall and thin. I don’t know how you are built. But, I have heard Orcas run quite small and Ironmans did not seem to fit my body type. If you are not 100 percent thrilled then keep trying to find the right model or size, it’s out there waiting for you.

Just tried them both on here in the hotel and deffinately could tell when I didn’t get it up tight under my armpits. I am thin but average height…the Orca does fit quite a bit tighter but have to wait a couple hours to try them in the pool.

Nobody warned me just HOW close I would get to heat-stroke trying those two things on. Think that would count as pre-race stretch and warm-up!

So far the Ironman felt more comfortable but that could all change in the water. The “height” of both felt good…not like it was trying to pull me over but the volume of the Orca was noticabley less.

Nobody warned me just HOW close I would get to heat-stroke trying those two things on. Think that would count as pre-race stretch and warm-up!

Bigred - try an Xterra Small/Long. I am your size and it fits perfectly.