***December 17, 2006 - The toll raised to 57 the number of Americans killed in Iraq in December. At least 2,945 members of the U.S. military have died since the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count. ***
We’re not going to reach 3,000 in December, but for sure we’ll reach 3,000 in January.
That many people died on the freeways every 3 - 6 month here , most don’t wear uniforms or guns .
No wait
Post the civilians killed in Iraq to cheer us up . Maybe a ratio ?
**That many people died on the freeways every 3 - 6 month here , most don’t wear uniforms or guns . **
Well then it must be okay.
Just think, only 52,000 until we get to Vietnam.
Post: Just think, only 52,000 until we get to Vietnam.
Not another wall for Iraq , it took me two days to cry through the Nam wall.
Heli
How does that number compare to other prolonged military measures?
I ask because 3,000 soldiers killed in battle doesn’t sound like that many (you know what I mean).
Now, if we’re talking from the standpoint of “we shouldn’t even have been there”, then I understand the point of 3,000 soldiers needlessly killed.
I’m trying to remain sensitive while being realistic. Soldiers fight in wars. Soldiers die. That’s what they do. Sometimes it almost seems as if adults have the impression of war that it’s like the old GI Joe cartoons where a plane gets hit with a missle followed by the image of a bunch of soldiers parachuting to safety.
It’s one thing to mention the number of soldiers that have died in order to remember them and their families, but it’s quite another thing to keep a running total as if it were a pinball score or fantasy football stats (I’m not saying that’s what you are doing, Yahey).
For you “numbers” people.
C’mon admit it. The US military killed in Iraq is not your primary concern. You’re more worried about your Muslim cousins … those with the same ideology as you …aren’t you?
You don’t hear as much about the injured. The numbers are large. Medical/trauma science has evolved so much, many are saved that would not have been 20 years ago, however their lives are altered forever. I wrote a post about this in the past, comparing killed/wounded ratios from WWII, Viet Nam, etc. The # killed really only tells part of the story.
**Just think, only 52,000 until we get to Vietnam. **
I wonder if that makes the family members of those killed feel better?
The link I posted above will show you the “not mortally injured” all together is over 40,000. most due to combat some due to various other causes.
I am not sure what the point of the OP is, is he hoping for 3000 dead? Or is he trying to use the numbers game as his form of protest?
Well you know that they are all not Cindy Sheehans. If the policies applied actually did good for the USA and the world at large … many family members whilst agrieved for their loss, would be proud of the achievements. Achievement is not going to happen if lefties get their way and do things motivated by feelings of sympathy for the Muslims.
He’s hoping to stir up some shit as he does on other forums because he is a Frenchy radical sympathetic to that Muslim ideology.
Got it. Apparently he seems to only be interested in one aspect of the Muslim Ideology.
How many lives do you estimate to be saved from Iraq in the next 10 years?
How many do you?
**How many lives do you estimate to be saved from Iraq in the next 10 years? **
So now we are actually saving lives by being in Iraq?
The spin just keep better.
Let’s not make this an emotional mud session. War has been occuring for millions of years…
The Iraq war was over position, not territory. A bit different from other wars…for better or worse.
Unfortunately, Hussain’s trial only stated he killed “hundreds of thousands”, so it would be tough to nail a particular figure if say…this occured sooner.
But seriously…please answer my question. How many lives do you think will be saved by getting rid of the bully on the block?
But seriously…please answer my question. How many lives do you think will be saved by getting rid of the bully on the block?
First, I will concede that we saved Iraqi lives by getting rid of Hussein although it’s hard to think that our involvement in the last few years has caused more death than Hussein would have caused in the same period.
As for the bully, if you are referring to the Middle East I think that Iran is the bully, not Iraq.
As for American lives, there are almost 3,000 more than would have been if we did not go into Iraq.
Now, if we’re talking from the standpoint of “we shouldn’t even have been there”, then I understand the point of 3,000 soldiers needlessly killed.
Interestingly enough I read an article recently that states that the death rate of similar age groups is roughly 2.5X higher in Iraq soldiers as that in the US. IOW of those 3000 that have died some 1200 would have died here if we they were not in Iraq. I think the more telling point is that of the wounded as someone else mentioned later. I haven’t seen actual comparisons but I can only guess that that ratio is much higher.
I’m certainly not trying to trivialize anyone’s death and frankly, I wish the death toll was 0, but “emotion” aside the death toll in Iraq is not that much greater than here in the US. The fact that the media keeps beating on it day after day after day seems to make it worse than it is.
By comparison I’m wondering what the death toll on American life will be if we just leave and allow the powers that be take control. I just can’t forsee that leaving will not in some way lead to a larger, more widespread, higher death toll situation. OTOH I can certainly see that had we just not stuck our foot in it, although people would still be dieing, they wouldn’t be Americans and likely would be contained within the borders of Iraq. Then again how long would it have been before Saddam decided he wanted Kuwait again, or Iran, or Saudia Arabi…who knows. Point is we are were we are right now. We have to deal with the situation the best we can. Shoulda, coulda, woulda’s really doesn’t do anyone any good.
~Matt