Weight Lifting - Off Season

“a solid strength training plan would require 6 phases, 1st anatomical adaptation, 2nd hypertrophy, 3rd maxmium strength, 4th conversion to specificity of exercise, 5th competition and maintainance. a well though out strength program will develop joint flexibility, ligament and tendon strength, strengthen the core, develop stabilizers. train movments not individual muscles and will focus on increasing the physical capacity of the athlete.”

That is probably the optimum way to go into a weight lifting program. I think the problem is, triathletes already have 3 sports to train in and thet sort of regimen takes too much time. Most of us are also professionals and have a hard time fitting in sport specific workouts. If I get 2 weight sessions in a week I am satisfied. My plan is a big 30-40 min superset that covers all (hopefully) the muscle groups. It is not so hard that I am too sore the next few days to do sport specific workouts (See Rich Strauss-Dumb Ass Tired)

Actaully, I don’t know what you mean…you strip away your fat and then look like Iggy Pop? How’s that going to carry you through an event? If you are able to even perform high-intensity exercise to complete any sort of triathlon, you need oxygen and nutrients to fuel muscles via cellular transport to the fibers being worked. When you push it, you tear the fibers and they grow back by food and rest (and water). This creates mass- it may be lean or volumizing, but that doesn’t mean bulk. The basic premise here is that muscle definition means adding muscle in some form. And this is A KNOWN FACT- muscle replaces fat when you feed it (or it will use the fat for fuel when you’ve been a dumbass and not given it what it needs for fuel). at any rate there’s a physical replacement.

Also, explain this to me:

"And sadly, you can eat all you want and still not grow any muscle mass if your body just doesn’t want to"

You mean if my protein intake is somewhere in the range of 70% of my bodyweight daily when I’m training, my body will actually tell me “Hey, stop it - I don’t want to grow any muscle. Quit feeding me, for chrissake”. Sorry, not buying your point there- there’s obviously something wrong with your diet if you really believe that, or you have some magic on/off switch that’s unbeknownst to the Medical community. Your body can’t tell you what it wants to do and what it doesn’t want to do (your mind certainly as hell can though). Your body requires three things at a minimal - food, water and rest. How you orchestrate that will dictate the particluar adaptation it undergoes as a result. i.e. you train for 3 hours a day, have a candy bar and a pop and then sleep like crap, guess what? your immune system breaks down because you neglected your body’s needs and you get sick. Your body didn’t make that end-result decision- it adapted to what you gave it. To the contrary, you train, eat, and rest correctly your body responds (adapts) positively.

But screw it, this is nonsense to sit here an nit pick. Just train smart and hard, eat right and get some sleep. you’ll get across the finish line.

Wow, I think you’ve just shattered the record for the number of points missed in a single post (and then for stating absolutely obvious things). This isn’t nitpicking – you are in desperate need of accurate education.

You have just made everyone reading this post at least a little dumber.

I love it. 3 bicep exercises, for a muscle that is worked just fine by back exercises. :wink:

One-leg leg press. Flys. See you at the physical therapist!
Biceps for triathlons: gotta love it. I’m gonna add dumbbell curls to my squats regimen.

Ken, if you can, I would suggest using a preacher curl bench. It’s all about isolation to build a really strong peak. 6 sets of 12 reps to failure ought to do it. Blast em!

I love it. 3 bicep exercises, for a muscle that is worked just fine by back exercises. :wink:

One-leg leg press. Flys. See you at the physical therapist!
Biceps for triathlons: gotta love it. I’m gonna add dumbbell curls to my squats regimen.
Don’t forget to finish off with some forearm work. Helpful for grabbing bags in the feed zone…

Ken, if you can, I would suggest using a preacher curl bench. It’s all about isolation to build a really strong peak. 6 sets of 12 reps to failure ought to do it. Blast em!

elund

you are absolutely correct. unless you’re a pro most of us don’t have any added time beyond the bike, swim and run. You can design a workout in periodization like I mentioned with 2 -30 minutes workouts per week. you just need to be focused and specific with the exercises, reps and sets. for example in hyperthrophy phase. an upper body workout can consist of pushing, pulling and pressing exercises. 2-3 sets each of Chest Press, Standing row,or lat pull, and shoulder press. Set of 10 at a 1-1 tempo. each set is roughly 20 seconds long, a set of 3 with a 45-60 rest roughly 4 minutes per exericise. your workout is fine but your probably working harder and not achieving the endurance strength that you’ll need during the season. when you do strength train, you should make it on the days when your SB or R workouts are more skill orientated .

Aztec said,
“Not sure what you mean there, but if I do… muscle is muscle. No such thing as defined muscle or bulky muscle. It’s purely the proportion of fat around it that determines how defined it looks.”

Gotta say, all of Aztec’s answers have been right on the money. I have a CPFT cert from Cooper Institute and two health coaching certs, not to mention tons of strength training knowledge, so I can respectfully add.

If you don’t want to “bulk up” (ie: gain too much dense muscle from using weight), then don’t use weights. Do all bodyweight training, You’ll gain endurance, drop fat, and become more compound-muscle-coordinated.

Granted, you’ll gain ‘muscle’, you just won’t gain HUGE muscles as if you were overloading your muscles with “weight training” (ie: in the gym, using machines or free weights). You will drop fat because you will be putting caloric demands on your body - and adding enough muscle to boost your metabolism. Additionally, your body will work better because you’d be using muscles in tandem and not in isolation.

Want a sample guy regarding this? Dean Karnazes (The UltraMarathon Man) does bodyweight training (pushups, crunches, situps, etc etc) and he has an awesome body despite his punishing training, which, if he didn’t feed himself enough or have the genetics to support it, would be whisper-thin.

You WILL gain muscle (unless your genetics have decided you are tiny and thin). Decide what you want: muscle or less bulk. You should already have some muscle due to your swimming, running, and biking anyway.

That being said, you can try (unweighted)

Squats (complete leg strength: quads, hams, glutes - push from your heels)
stability ball crunches - straight-up and sideways, both sides (complete abdominal area strength)
pull ups with a pull-up bar across a doorway (back strength) - wide and narrow grips
pushups - narrow, medium, wide grips (chest, arm, forearm, and shoulder strength)
single arm pushups (balance, chest, arm, and shoulder strength)

Hope this adds to the fracas.

Lauren

Thanks, Lauren. Always good to get back up from someone w/ credibility.

Dear Mr. Aztec,

The next time I want a question to be answered I will just forget everyone else and just ask you (Mr. Aztec), because you seem to be the ST expert in this area.

Why don’t you answer Jmoss70’s post instead of just commenting in general. Tell the ST forum what we should do in the off season. I basically posted a workout with some suggestions. I think it will work for me and maybe he could alter it for him. Just trying to help out a fellow SlowTwitcher.

Sincerely,

KYRocket

Dear Mr. Aztec,

The next time I want a question to be answered I will just forget everyone else and just ask you (Mr. Aztec), because you seem to be the ST expert in this area.

Why don’t you answer Jmoss70’s post instead of just commenting in general. Tell the ST forum what we should do in the off season. I basically posted a workout with some suggestions. I think it will work for me and maybe he could alter it for him. Just trying to help out a fellow SlowTwitcher.

Sincerely,

KYRocket

Wow, what a grouch. Feel free to ask, because in some areas I am indeed an expert.

I know you are just trying to help out, and that’s cool. Of course, I am trying help him by keeping him from wasting time on stuff that I (and about half of the others, including at least one other expert above) think isn’t going to help.

So, to the original post. Sure, lift some weights, especially for the core and the rotator cuffs and scapula. And keep swimming/biking/running. A comprehensive resistance training program won’t likely do much to achieve his stated goals, including weight loss w/o muscle gain.

Aztec,

I just don’t see what you feel the need to “rip” what I posted. You don’t know me, if you did you would probably even like me. I am just a normal guy (mop) trying to stay in shape in the winter and not burnout on swim/biking/and running all of the time.

Its been a long season. Plus, I am actually injured. (No not from the weight training program that I posted.) Your are right, I probably should not have posted my entire workout especially since I just finished the first week of the workout. I am glad I did the workout this past week but will revise it each week. I have just started working in a wellness center so it is actually good for me to learn a bunch of different exercises. This is one reason that my workout is so weight orientented. I would not be on this forum daily if I didn’t want to learn from others. This is the best triathlon resource that I have found in the past four years. I do love Gordoworld.com too. I just wish people were a little nicer when someone posts something that may they may not agree with. You shouldn’t attempt to make anyone feel dumb. Anyway, I hope what everyone does this winter to stay or get stronger helps them become a better triathlete for 2006. I changed the workout that I posted earlier.

PS: Women do like biceps! Ha! Ha!

KyRocket

Dude, you must be in touch w/ your feminine side ;-). I wasn’t ripping you, but rather disagreeing with your prescription for the original poster’s problem/question. Some posters seem pretty impressionable, and are likely to run off and do whatever another poster on an internet forum tells them to do! So it makes good sense to offset what appears to be a strong endorsement with some strong criticism to make sure that original poster sees both sides. Otherwise they may be quick to take opinion (without any knowledge of how credible) as fact. Yikes!

As chicks do dig biceps. If THAT’S why you do curls, then more power to ya!

Ok, my new plan is:

  1. I will cut some of the bicep work. Probably two sets of one bicep exercise.

  2. The flys (with low weight/high reps) are for a muscle imbalance so I will still do them but for only two sets.

  3. The One leg presses and curls are for my really weak injured left leg, I tend to cheat with both legs.

  4. I will incorporate core movements, push-ups, pull-ups, in place of all of this weight training when my off- season ends and all of the swim/bike/run training fires back up.

Thanks for the suggestions.

KYRocket

Jmoss70,

You started a thread, but never replied. You should let us know what you might end up doing this off season.

You might think about lunges for that leg strengthening. One-leg presses are really dangerous for the low back.

What imbalance do you have that flys would fix? Flys (not bend over flys for rear delts, which are great) are an absolute shoulder wrecker.

I have noticed that my lower back is really sore after the leg workout, both times that I have done it. I just figured it was because my hamstrings are so tight and working them also was working my back. I didn’t realize that it might be a danger to my back. Thanks for the heads-up. The flys are only with 8lb weights, do you think that this can still wreck my shoulders? I am just wanting to add some strength and work on some muscle deficiencies, but only in a safe way that will help when tri-specific training starts again. Thanks for the input.

What makes you think you have that deficiency in the first place? It’s pretty unusual for anyone to have a weakness in the front of their upper body. Usually it’s the other way – much stronger chest/shoulders, and weaker rear shoulder/upper back. Often results in adaptive shortening, and shoulders that round to the front (I’m sure you’ve seen this, especially among intemediate weightlifters).

8lbs is actually 16lbs if you are using 8lb dumbbells :-). Can’t say whether it will hurt you. If you have frail joints and use bad form and excessively stretch at the bottom, sure, could hurt. Even the infamouis pec-dec machine, which reduces some of the risk is known as “pec-wrecker.” I would avoid it. If you feel compelled to do chest work, stick to a basic incline press. You can drop (maybe I should say “skip”) the overhead press then, too, and cover chest/shoulders in one lift.

Ok, I was thinking you were telling me not to do the rear flys. I agree with the flys for the chest. I can and will drop them like a bad habit. I can see myself getting injured on those. What do you think about reververse flys? When I do reverse flys I lay facedown on an incline bench and do the reverse fly. (8lbs in each hand) The reverse fly is for a muscle imbalance that a personal trainer said I needed to avoid. He said swimmers tend to have this imbalance. Also I have tight, weak hamstrings, thus poor flexibility, that he said that I need to work on. Any suggestions? I would like to get my strength workout down to 45 minutes 3 times a week for the off season and then 30minutes two-three times a week during my training.

My experience with weight training and influence on running performance:

For perspective a bit of history, started a program to get into shape 3 years ago at the age of 47 that involved losing 50 pounds, lifting weights (mostly circuit training with weight exercises that I notice was pretty similar to Friel’s Tri bible recommendations) and running (one minute at a time at the beginning). About 17 months ago I started riding bikes too. A year ago I did my first Duathlon.

Once I modified my eating habits to include frequent amounts of protein throughout the day, I was good at weight lifting. Got up to 35 pullups as an example and was doing 6 to 28 reps with max weights on the weight machines (admittedly a relatively meaningless statement without a reference).

Off season did about 80 sets a week and weighed 165 pounds with height of 5’8" barefoot (26 pullups at that weight and could do 9 concentrated one arm curls with 75 pounds). Short term ambitions included the Arnold Pump and 5K Run, and state arm wrestling championship at 154 pounds.

Did a 5K in 20:18 in April of 05 after reducing to 155 pounds. Overall strength on weights lowered about 10% at this weight, pullups increased to 32 though.

Stopped lifting weights in later part of June due to tendenitis. Best 5K time to date is virtually same at 20:12 (October 05) at same 155 weight. Even though I maintained (same as before) about 20 miles per week running with speedwork. Averaged about 90 miles of biking per week since Mid March.

Moral of the story, concentrated upper body weight lifting versus 3 to 4 months of no weight lifting seemed to make no difference to my running times. FYI, only did spread and squeeze abductions, toe lifts, and hamstring curls for leg workout due to knee issues.

Did my second duathlon in June of 05 and got hooked on the sport. Now how to do pretty decent for an age grouper with such diverse interests? So far my experience suggests I should not worry about upper body workouts effect to running an duathlon performance.

Kent, you’re rocking! Good stuff. Seems to me you have a strong strength base so that weight training shouldn’t be a concern for you durning season. Remember that weight training does not make one faster but helps avoid injuries. Which you have successfully done.

Regarding the following: FYI, only did spread and squeeze abductions, toe lifts, and hamstring curls for leg workout due to knee issues.

Here are a few alternate exercises I’d suggest you might like to try. do your abduction/adduction standing on a cable machine if you have access, it better targets the ab/adductors and has a better transference to running. While there you might also thow in some hip extention to work your glutes.Toe lift are good, add if you can some bend knee toe lift to target the soleus. Try you hamstring curl with a swissball it will not only hit the hams but will also engage glute and lower back. Finally get on a foam roller and roll out your IT bands. It will really help your knees if you IT is tight. Check out http://www.paulfrediani.com/surfshot8.htm. Myofasical release.

Ok, I was thinking you were telling me not to do the rear flys. I agree with the flys for the chest. I can and will drop them like a bad habit. I can see myself getting injured on those. What do you think about reververse flys? When I do reverse flys I lay facedown on an incline bench and do the reverse fly. (8lbs in each hand) The reverse fly is for a muscle imbalance that a personal trainer said I needed to avoid. He said swimmers tend to have this imbalance. Also I have tight, weak hamstrings, thus poor flexibility, that he said that I need to work on. Any suggestions? I would like to get my strength workout down to 45 minutes 3 times a week for the off season and then 30minutes two-three times a week during my training.
Do all the reverse flys you can stand. 3x12? 4x20? Whatever you like, in good form. I would also think about external rotation work (do a google search for rotator cuff exercises).