My friend is a pro athlete and asked me to post this for him so he wouldn’t get blacklisted by WADA.
He wanted me to post if for 2 reasons:
So none of his fellow athletes would ever get suspended for using supplemental oxygen. He knows that a lot of top level athletes train with oxygen, and would hate to see someone get suspended for it since this ruling was never really made public by WADA itself.
To gain support from the endurance sport community to help get this ruling overturned.
For some reason, WADA seems to feel it can ban any substance or method WITHOUT scientific justification. This is unfair. To ban oxygen use is like bannning bottled water or like banning energy gels.
If, after reading the Press Release, you agree that supplemental oxygen should not be banned, please fill out the petition. A link to the petition is on the bottom of the press release. It should take about 10 seconds to do.
Before posting any comments, please read the press release. It may make a difference as to how you view this issue.
Currently, WADA just does what it wants, when it wants to. We… the public… needs to let them know that that is not OK. We need to hold them responsible for the way they make decisions and we need to let them know when they are overstepping their authority.
Thanks in advance for your support.
If you think that oxygen should be banned, that’s cool too. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
SO I read it, and I have to tend to agree with the ban. Most of the arguements to allow it in this article, are weak at best…It’s not proven to work, so lets let it in…If it doesnt work, then no one would use it. It is naturally occuring…Some are a lot of drugs…
So next we see runners, swimmers, and cyclists, with scuba tanks full of O2 on their backs during races??? I find that scenario a little disturbing…Does anyone else???
Uh, yeah, I clicked on the link to the list of substances banned by WADA, which is included in the “press release”, and nowhere in there does it include oxygen.
It’s cute that you phrase it as “WADA bans Oxygen”, though. If your ad is even accurate, what is says is that supplemental oxygen is banned. Blood doping is banned too, and you don’t go around crowing “WADA bans blood”
**whether you agree with the press release or not, the ruling is legit. if you are a pro athlete, do not use supplemental oxygen in your training. if you get caught, you could get into big trouble. **
don’t believe me?.. email WADA yourself and ask them if canned oxygen is legal. (I already did it for my friend, so I know how they will respond)
to clarify… oxygen is not a banned “substance”. canned or bottled oxygen is a banned METHOD like it says in the press release.
i’ve found that the pro athletes all take this ruling seriously because it affects them directly.
if you knew what kind of results top athletes were getting from the canned oxygen, you wouldn’t be talking smack about it. believe me. i know a few pro cyclists and triathletes who were using it before the ban was made public and they all said it was the best recovery product they had ever used. i use it now too, so i know how good it works.
at least i can say that everything i post is based on first hand knowledge or experience.
I didn’t read any of this, but hyperoxic training is a common practice at the OTC. Take a dude at altitude, slap them on a treadmill hooked up to a hyperoxic tank and they will do intervals at a pace that they would not be able to do normally at altitude. So, if they are banning something, this is what it would be.
Can you explain a little more why you think canned oxygen should not be banned? I mean obviously there’s the whole “it’ll hurt my business” thing but do you have anything else? Because I’m sure there were labs with similar arguments when they banned steroids.
Your company is selling canned oxygen as a PERFORMANCE ENHANCER to give people an “edge over your competition” so, assuming that your product works as claimed, besides the damage to your business, why shouldn’t WADA ban this performance enhancer?
Just to clarify, I’m not suggesting that the whole “it’ll hurt my business” thing isn’t a good reason, I’m just wondering if you’ve got any other reasons.
Mat - That’s what i heard too. And from what I understand, that type of hyperoxic (added oxygen) training is also banned under the same ruling. Now the Olympic Training Center (OTC) will have to stop using it.
That’s one of the main issues. All this time, Olympic athletes had the advantage of hyperoxic training. Now, with canned oxygen publicly available, the rest of the athletes could get similar benefits, so the playing field would be leveled.
Since you can’t test for it, the cheaters will still use hyperoxic training in some form or another and the honest athletes will be at a disadvantage.
SO I read it, and I have to tend to agree with the ban. Most of the arguements to allow it in this article, are weak at best…It’s not proven to work, so lets let it in…If it doesnt work, then no one would use it. It is naturally occuring…Some are a lot of drugs…
So next we see runners, swimmers, and cyclists, with scuba tanks full of O2 on their backs during races??? I find that scenario a little disturbing…Does anyone else???
Why not? There’s already guys using fins in triathlon****s
i don’t work for the company, so i can’t speak for them. plus i don’t think this ruling really infringes on their business. most pro athletes get their product for free and i don’t think that pro athletes make up a big portion of their customers. this ruling only affects pro athletes. that’s just my opinion though.
what if we look at it from a very simple perspective.
what guidelines do we expect WADA to use in determinig something a banned substance or method:
It is a controlled substance (FDA drug)? NO
Does it have potentially dangerous side effects? NO
Has it been PROVEN to “excessively” enhance performance? NO (Many substances that enhance performance are legal. Ex. energy gels)
Does it change the “physiology” of an athlete to give them an advantage over competition? NO
Does banning it level the playing field between all athletes? NO (banning it favors the cheaters who continue to train with oxygen and can never get caught)
i don’t work for the company, so i can’t speak for them. plus i don’t think this ruling really infringes on their business. most pro athletes get their product for free and i don’t think that pro athletes make up a big portion of their customers. this ruling only affects pro athletes. that’s just my opinion though.
what if we look at it from a very simple perspective.
what guidelines do we expect WADA to use in determinig something a banned substance or method:
It is a controlled substance (FDA drug)? NO
Does it have potentially dangerous side effects? NO
Has it been PROVEN to “excessively” enhance performance? NO (Many substances that enhance performance are legal. Ex. energy gels)
Does it change the “physiology” of an athlete to give them an advantage over competition? NO
Does banning it level the playing field between all athletes? NO (banning it favors the cheaters who continue to train with oxygen and can never get caught)
Am I missing anything?
There are plenty of banned methods that are not controlled substances. (ie. blood doping)
re-read #2. while it may not give an advantage, it can change your physiology. But I guess that may be different than “physiology”.
Banning it DOES level the playing field, assuming all athletes obey the rules. Saying that some will break the rules does not apply, as that is the case with all banned substances. People will try to find ways around the rules, and often don’t get caught.
5 minutes on the internet and I was able to find evidence against all 5 of your un-supported claims. So again, why should canned O2 be allowed?
Hmmmm^TM…Sooo, why would it make sense to ban supplemental oxygen in training or for recovery, yet still allow altitude tents? Manipulating the oxygen concentration is manipulating the oxygen concentration…
All this ruling does is make locations where pro athletes can live at high altitude and yet still do some training at sea level (or lower - e.g. Death Valley - anyone up for living in Independence, CA?) more desirable
Although, perhaps WADA will then ban traveling up or down a specified altitude range for training in a given day
WADA Bans Oxygen Use in Training and Competitions - Full Press Release
You’re lying.
I don’t really know why, but you are.
I work with our testing program at the University of Wisconsin. Whenever there is a substance added or a new drug becomes available that would have been covered anyway by one of the “other substances with a similar chemical structure or similar biological effect(s)” clauses, we hear about it.
Don’t say that your press release only applies to “pro” athletes. That’s not how it works.
Yes, the NCAA banned substance list is slightly different than the WADA/IOC lists. That’s not my point. My point is that you are lying.
For those of you who want to see the real WADA banned substance list, just go to their website:
The linked propaganda discusses alterering in blood oxygen transport and delivery modification… It does not say anything in the rules about using supplemental o2.
What if an athlete takes a ride in an ambulance and gets supplemental o2, are they subject to ban?
Basically, I don’t believe it until I see it somewhere official.
Why? Why was there a link to a company that profits from selling this junk rather than a link to WADA?
It’s to get some people thinking / talking about the “fact” that canned oxygen is performance enhancing (or that it is SO performance enhancing that it was banned), then “wow, it’s *NOT *banned”, and, all the “pros” use it… Hey, I’d better get me some of that.
People not that stupid? Sure they are. And chinese whispers are an amazing thing. Not to mention the obvious, what won’t triathletes try if the pros do it?
Now where can I get me one of Dr Tommy’s patented “dimpled” head bands
Why? Why was there a link to a company that profits from selling this junk rather than a link to WADA?
It’s to get some people thinking / talking about the “fact” that canned oxygen is performance enhancing (or that it is SO performance enhancing that it was banned), then “wow, it’s *NOT *banned”, and, all the “pros” use it… Hey, I’d better get me some of that.
People not that stupid? Sure they are. And chinese whispers are an amazing thing. Not to mention the obvious, what won’t triathletes try if the pros do it?
Now where can I get me one of Dr Tommy’s patented “dimpled” head bands
I guess what I meant by “why” was why post something blatantly false that can easily be checked rather than using the shady science or circular reasoning techniques that seem to work so well for a lot of other supplement companies.
