Vineman, a view from beyond the BOP

First, congratulations to the finishers. While always an accomplishment, this one goes into the books for memorable conditions. My sister was out on the bike course and measured 97 degrees on the heat! My brother was told by one of the volunteers at T2 that they measured 103. No one had the numbers on the wind on the bike course other than to say 20+mph.

The swim went off without a hitch. The setting at Johnson’s Beach is just plain beautiful. A dense forest that comes right down the hill to the water. The morning dawned with a cloudless blue sky that should have been a warning of things to come, but was really nice to see. The course is well marked and easy to get around. The official water temperature was 73.5 degrees. All I can say there is that they must have looked really hard to find a cool patch of water to make that temp. There was minimal jockeying at the start. By my watch, I had my best swim ever at 1:08. T1 was uneventful.

Out on to the bike course you don’t hit the first aid station until mile 18. That is probably too long before the first chance to get more liquid. I would be interested in learning the reasoning on the aid station placement. They were placed at miles 18, 29, 40 and 57. On the first loop and repeated the first 3 for the second loop. On a day with challenging conditions, that is a particular weakness.

I think it would be hard to find a more beautiful course. Every twenty feet is a view worthy of a postcard. On the back side of the first loop, the wind was at our backs and really pushed the pace. Chalk Hill is certainly a wake up call, but I did not see anyone walking it on either loop. For the people who do this ride regularly, you are very lucky. One of the perils of being a beyond the back of the pack rider is when things go wrong, you are the one to feel it. The bike stations started running out of water at bike special needs (aid station 4). The volunteers tried to make the best of the situation by packing ice into aero bottles, but there were some fairly distressed riders. Overall, people were fairly understanding that sometimes things aren’t planned well. That didn’t last all day though. A couple of aid stations later, after the heat and in particular the wind had taken a toll, I watched a couple of people melt down when they learned the station was out of water. Again, the volunteers tried to cope, this time by refilling water bottles with the water from the wading pool that was chilling the bottles. A nice thought and a good effort to help the athletes, but probably not a good idea since the water was a bit brown. My first lap on the bike, 3:15. Total time on the bike 8:15. That was some second lap.

On to the run. The run is 3 laps of what is essentially a closed course on a well paved country road. I would be interested in learning what the logic was in the placement of the aid stations. Weird increments ending in .1, .3, .5 or .7. I would guess that it related to the homeowners who allowed their garden hose to be used to support the aid station’s water needs. This was both a good thing and a bad thing. On the good side, those stations did not run out of water. On the downside, it did not agree with my stomach. The aid stations were well staffed with very helpful and enthusiastic volunteers, particularly the first one.

My day ended a little bit into the third lap when I cramped up and could not get up. In the medical area I started shivering, they called it convulsions but it went a way after they got an IV started. I was not alone in that area as one of the nurses said they had seen a couple hundred people. I think those numbers might be a bit high but it was certainly a tough day.

My overall impression of the race organization is that they were surprised by the numbers who showed up and are having growing pains related to scale and vision. The impression I had was that it was being run like a local event scaled up instead of the big show. Obviously the organizers can’t control the weather, but I am talking about other things. Like only one porta potttie per aid station. Particularly on the bike course there were lines of people off the bike standing around waiting. Or one flavor of Cliff bar and no gels on the bike. A number of little things that might prompt a HTFU response, but in actuality are the difference between an event and a spectacular event. At the pre-race meeting there were hints that things might change in the future. I hope so because I would like to see more competition with the IM brand events and this year Vineman was not that competition.

I got to t2 a a little before 5pm and decided I was done. The bike aid station set-up definitely wasn’t ideal–huge bummer that they ran low on fluids, and a 2nd portapottie at aid stations (#1 especially) would’ve made a difference to a lot of people. on the 2nd lap the line was shorter at #1 but it was out of TP. Overall I was pretty happy with how things were run, though, and felt like it was a good value for the entry fee.

I’m sure Dave (Trifaster) will chime in, but I suppose the silver lining to this is that Vineman is one independent ID (Iron Distance) that continues to thrive, and being the only race of that distance in the state with perhaps the most triathletes in the nation, I hope it continues. Dave, have NA Sports/WTC ever approached you about making full Vineman part of the IM family?

I feel for you, I dropped out at about the 15 mile mark in the marathon when I started to see spots and my hands got tingly and I felt like I was going to black out on the course. I got help at the Empire Runners aid station where they called in and got me a ride. I was in the medical tent until almost midnight, and had lots of company. Were you the girl they originally put on gym pads and eventually moved to the cot shortly before midnight?

In defense of the race organizers, this was the biggest field they have had in some time and the conditions were much hotter than expected. However, all of your complaints are valid. My big gripe was that the 1st aid station was not where it was indicated on the map and was closer to the 20 mile mark. The gap between special needs and #1 on the second lap was way too long. I stayed ahead of any shortages luckily. As for the run stations, the reason they were at fractional points is because one length of the run course is 4.36 miles (26.2/6). On the first half of lap 1, they were spaced every mile, but after the turnaround you got back to the 4th station at 4.7 miles (.36x2), and then the aid staions were still spaced every mile (5.7, 6.7 etc…). It would have been nice to have every total course mile marked in between the stations, but that’s a small gripe. Overall, this was a very good event and they did an admirable job working with conditions.

And I hope they don’t affiliate with IM, its nice having a few decent size indy races that one can actually get an entry into less than 364 days in advance (and cheaper to boot).

those were defintely some tough conditions and just plain bad luck on the weather. Saturday the high in Windsor was 96 but I am sure was well over 100 out on the pavement. Sunday was foggy in the morning and high of only 82 and about the same or cooler today. Go figure…

I’m almost too embarassed to post. I’m usually a pretty fast guy. I was out of the water in 1:04 and through the first loop of the bike, hitting target watts in 2:38. The stretch of miles from 65-85 was hot and windy and (apparently) completely destroyed me. I was seeing stars by mile 100 (Chalk Hill) and had to call it a day at mile 105. I just collapsed in the shade. Too many early morning training sessions I guess. I still can’t believe I couldn’t even get through the last 7 miles. I was so looking forward to running although with the heat it probably wouldn’t have been pretty.

As for the event organization, I thought it was great (of what I saw). On a reasonable day the bike aid station placement would have been fine. On that day, I could have used another (maybe after Chalk Hill and move the other ones back). I won’t go into all the details but I had not ridden the course before hand and was concerned about getting off course but there was lots of volunteer support pointing where to go. I will say that it seemed like 65% of the roads were complete shit. I would never do a training ride out there. For the 1/2 distance it’s managable but adding in those shitty extra roads after Windsor HS in addition to all the other shitty roads and it now takes first place for the worst roads I’ve ever ridden on in a race (2nd is Napa 1/2). Maybe my mental state exagerated this but my bike was coming apart. I had my first race flat as well. Going over railroad tracks on loop 2 my back tire exploded.

As a last note, I’ll just say that the heat on the bike (for me) was deceptive with the wind. I did IMAZ in 2007 (10:32)so I know heat and wind but something about miles 65-85 was different than anything I’d experienced before.

Someday I will do this race again.

Hey Guys … i’ll make some brief comments to clarify. Too tired to go in to too much details :wink:

1st aid at mile 18? … why would you need it sooner? Start with two bottles and you really should need anything until the mile 29 aid station. It is indeed though at mile 18. NOTE: On a day like Saturday it might have been better for that aid station to be sooner ONLY to close the gap between the 4th one and getting back to #1 on lap 2. But the distance was the same from #4 to #5 as it was from #3 to #4. The only aid station that I know from our Volunteer Coord that ran out of water was the aid station #4 that you only passed once. Aid station #2 ran out of bottled water but had plenty of ice and well water. All of them had plenty of cold gatorade.

Run Aid Station placement? I’m not sure what the problem is as they were all basically at mile 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 … essentially 9 aid stations every 8.7 miles. 3 of 5 aid stations had Culligan bottled water so the placement had nothing to do with “hose water” … 2 of them we use well water off of relatively new wells and the water wuality is good. I don’t think tha water had anythign to do with stomach problems

Total Numbers? We weren’t surprised by the numbers but we were surprised by the weather … we did klnow at 7am that it was going to get hot and we were able to stay on top of ice etc. … the hard part was it didn’t matter how much ice hot dropped it just seemd to melt :wink:

From a racing standpoint … those who don’t know the area and the weather get deceived. The morning was still very cool and easy to get sucked into riding too hard early. On those type of days the weather gets hot QUICK and and the northern towns of Healdsburg and Geyserville on the bike course are hotter than Windsor. You might have hit those spots at 65-70 degrees on lap 1 but on lap 2 for many it was well into the 90’s and even later 100 degrees.

I will say this … when it’s really hot it’s interesting what people tolerate mentally and physically. The reality is 65% of the roads aren’t crap … if it was cooler weather it would been 10-15% of the roads (real number) were “crap” :wink:

Thanks to all that supported!

It was tough day for everybody … athletes, volunteers, race staff etc.

Best,

Dave,

Thanks for putting on such a great event. I could definitely tell you’ve worked hard to try to give athletes the best day possible. First class and it was a nice change from IM/NAS/WTC. Thank you.

One question: How did you get such great support from the Highway Patrol & local police agencies? There were a ton of them out there stopping traffic.

“One question: How did you get such great support from the Highway Patrol & local police agencies? There were a ton of them out there stopping traffic.”

It is a requirement through permitting and we pay a quite sizeable bill to the CHP etc. … even though we pay dearly it is well worth it. The CHP is absolutely brilliant at what they do and are great to work with! First class organzization!

Best,

Hi Dave,

I thought this was a first class event. The volunteer support was amazing, which really saved the day for me. Where do you find all of those awesome people?

I’m not sure where you’re getting the 10-15% of “crap” roads from…that would mean about 11 miles of bad biking roads. Maybe I was delirious from the heat, but I can only remember one bad bump before Chalk Hill where I lost a bottle and maybe a few potholes, so I would say it’s more like 1% crap roads. Not only that, a good amount of the bike course was shaded, and it was a flat (but not boring) course. I really enjoyed the bike.

Even more so, the swim was great. The water temperature was perfect, and the scenery was amazing. It was neat to swim along the trees and under the bridges. I was worried about it being too shallow (based on other people’s experiences), but the only shallow part was the turn around, where I could’ve stood, but it was plenty deep to swim over. The rest of the course I couldn’t even see or touch the bottom.

My only real complaint was the heat! Was it just me, or did it seem like there was a HUGE percentage of DNFs? According to the results, it looks like there were 305 official finishers, but didn’t something like 440 people start the full Vineman? That’s about 30%. I know I’ve never seen so many people lying on the side of the road in the shade, both on the bike and run courses (I asked all of them if they needed help, and they all said “no,” so don’t get worked up, all you STers).

Give a special thanks to the medical personnel. They were really friendly and patient despite all of the people they had to deal with. Nothing like an IV to bring you back to life (I was extremely dehydrated, since my digestive system shut down early in the marathon–I think those hoses on the run course saved my life).

So, even though the heat completely ruined me, and I missed my goal time by hours, I would come back again. Thanks for the effort.
-Adam T.

Dave,

I’ll echo the sentiments of the others who’ve said this was a great event. I’m glad I chose this as my first iron distance race. My only complaint (of course there’s always got to be a complaint, but this is pretty minor) is the number of porta potties at T1; there just didn’t seem to be enough. Do you have a ratio of porty potties-to-participants you rely on? How ever you figure it out, it would have been better to have twice as many as you did. I am not sure what that would add to each participant’s entry fee, but if it’s only $5 or so, I am sure most would be willing to pay.

Again, that’s my only complaint. Everything else was first class in my opinion, and the volunteer support was just amazing. Thanks again.

Mike

Yup … large drop out rate and rate of those not making cut offs. We’ll get around to looking at actual start numbers but i bet the drop out / dnf rate was close to 20%

Best …