Vasa Ergotrainer Users Input

Hey guys, since I can’t really use my ankle at the moment, I thought it might be a good time to spring for a Vasa Ergotrainer. Aside from doing some fitness during rehab, perhaps the better benefit in the long term is being able to do swim workouts on my schedule than the very limited pool times, which are also a 20 minute drive away. Looks like lots of things I can do to use it for next year’s XC ski season prep too.

Of course, I could spring a few extra thousand to get the endless pool, but I can’t put that in my house cause it really is not that big and if I put it in the backyard, the usable season is only May-Oct even with wetsuit…plus maintenance.

After a week off training, I think I better get back to some semblance of overtraining program so that I don’t drive my wife crazy!

Dev

OK, someone here on ST has to have one of these…with all the gear floating around you figure there must be a few guys with views on the Vasa ergotrainer.

I had one. It is very hard. Even on level one I found it very hard. When I first started I couldn’t even do 10 mins continous.I ended up selling it b/c I never used it. I would rather just swim and it isn’t a problem for me to swim.

I sold it to someone who can not get to the pool. He was very happy with it.

When you say hard, how hard are we talking? Your 10 min session, would that be at ~ 400m interval intensity? Do your arms fall off before your cardio? If I can last 20 minutes on it 5 times per week it is still of interest. What are your 1.5K swim splits like just out of interest?

Do you have the trainer or the ergometer? I have the trainer and use it 3 times a week. I rarely get to the pool. It seems to help keep my form and some minimal swim fitness. When I use my trainer I really concentrate on form. Definitely helps there. Make sure you do backstroke to so you even the workout out. Wish I had an ergometer.

Sorry I don’t remember the pace etc. It was a few years ago. I was able to build up to doing a workout maybe like 20-30 mins. It was more like my arms falling off not cardio. 1:08 had been my best IM swim…just swam 1:10 IMAZ.

That’s interesting that the Ergotrainer would be so hard! But if once can build up to 20-30 minutes, seems like that would be OK assuming that you are recovered by the next day. If it shells you for 3 days, then it would be somewhat useless.

Trihanrahan, I have neither. Looking for some input. Seems like the Ergortrainer is a big premium, but if you can get a cardio workout then worth it. I had a borrowed swim trainer some time ago and it was more of a resistance workout than cardio.

They have the trainer club pro model on sale till tomorrow for $699 at http://www.vasatrainer.com/

Never used one until yesterday. Got 150 yds done when the lifeguard whacked me over the head and told me to get out because of lightning. Indoor pool, lightning rods, grounded, etc. didn’t matter. But the college team had gone to a meet and the guard suggested I try the Vasa. Difficult doesn’t even describe it. It was not that it was ball bustingly tough resistance, just the whole motion, my uncoordinatedness, and no resting during turns that gradually built up. I spent 25 minutes on it, resting for 30 secs about every 5 minutes and my arms were tired as hell. If they hadn’t cleared the pool when they did, I would have been cooked in another 5 minutes.

When they let us back in the pool it felt like I was swimming in honey. The back of my shoulders and upper back are sore as shit today, tomorrow should be lovely. Even on easy resistance it feels more like a strength WO than endurance. It’s just a hard machine for me to describe, definately get some time on one before you punch the ticket.

Thanks. I am really surprised that the lowest setting is so hard. You would think that they would have an easy setting that is like an easy swim. Seems like the swim trainer at half the price might provide a good enough resistance workout and if I get the foot plate I can use it to rehab my ankle with a low percent of my body weight.

Dev

It’s the best piece of training equipment I ever bought. I almost never go to the pool, but my swim times in races are the same as when I was swimming a lot. I do lots of 10 to 40 minute workouts. The time savings in my life from buying this, plus the not getting sick going to the pool were really worth it. It’s not a pleasant workout and it’s harder than actual swimming, but in 15-minutes you can get a quality workout in. When I do swim in water frequently in addition to the vasa, then my swim times actually get better. I do not work for or have any financial interest in the company, but I rave about it whenever I can. Also, I have a computrainer and treadmill in my basement, and mini tri workouts or creative bricks in the winter really keep me sane and fit.

Jon, you have the ergometer or do you have the traditional model?

It truly doesn’t simulate the rotation aspect of the stroke very well, so I’m a bit dubious of it’s real benefit. It also causes you to be so focused on arm position and pulling, that it makes you swim very tight. There’s no feeling of that “glide” in a stroke. If you still feel you want it, save a ton and get one of those “knock off” bodygym things. I ended up with one, and it’s almost the same, and cost me $40 in a garage sale. If you search, I remember a thread where Monty suggested the same, which is why I went that way. Good luck with the rehab…

I think it’s a great tool. There are some great features on the computer for it. It can measure your stroke length for each side and you can see where you are pulling shorter on one side. I think it counts your stroke rate as well. I was sort of sorry after I sold it, but I knew that I would never really use it. I don’t think it will shell you for three days.You may have to go every other at first. Your muscles will feel heavy like you were weightlifting the next day.

I have the swimervals DVD. I told the person I sold it too who is an old STer that I would mail it to him when I found it. I haven’t seen him around here lately so if he doesn’t PM me or answer in this thread. I can mail it to you if you get it. It will give you some ideas of different workouts you can do.

ergometer. I just like that it tells me how many meters I “swam.” I don’t pay too much attention to the other bells and whistles.

Certainly not as fancy / sophisticated, but stretch cords work very well for building swim-specific strength. At ~$5 each (worthwhile to get several resistance levels), they are a good investment.

There are certain people that I coach who I am actually considering giving me vasa ergometer to to make them finally get the idea of a catch and show them how little useful power they generate. I, on the other hand, use it rarely. Much like any other piece of indoor equipment, if you use it it will work.

Interestingly, this type of thing is probably one of the few out of the water things to be shown to improve swim speed in trained swimmers, although that is second hand info as the study was published in a polish journal.

I don’t know these guys who are saying it is very hard to use so it’s hard to say, my impression is that if that is the case then you may be using the wrong muscles or possibly you are just not very strong, just don’t put out the requisite power to go fast - I’d be interested to know their typical tri splits.

Having the door open on the 2 setting is easier force-wise than normal swimming is for me and having it on the 3 setting is a little harder.

One thing about it is that when going back to the pool I need about 500 - 600 yards to get my groove back. At first I feel very powerful but I am putting that power out without a lot of payback. After 500 or so everything feels back to normal, this seems natural since the movements are a bit different.

People say that it helps pull technique, I’d say it CAN help. One thing you do get is that you are always exerting force through the wire, this means you are always pulling or pushing more or less backward. In my opinion many many people use a lot of effort pushing down, to the side or even forward, so you do have this going for you. The cord is attached out in front of you, even when your hand is not exactly pulling straight back, it is “mostly” backward.

On the other hand, you can look online and see a video of a guy showing off his vasa trainer ability and he is obviously doing it with dropped elbows (he’s a musclehead so it doesn’t matter to him). But you can definitely do it on the ergometer as well, pull lots of watts but have your hands in totally the wrong position. If you got the halo board with it I think it would pretty much eliminate that possibility. But be aware that while you CAN use it to reinforce good technique, you can just as easily use it to reinforce dropped elbow pulling.

I’d put it this way, if you can’t get to a pool, then the vasa will help you if you use it. I mean what else are you going to do? If you are the type of person who is only at the pool maybe once per week this would probably still hold.

Also if your catch and pull just really suck big time then it can also be helpful for you. So if you fit into either of those two categories I’d recommend it assuming you will use the thing.

If on the other hand you are the type of guy who hits the pool three times per week pretty steadily then the value proposition is not as clear.

I think the vasa is harder than regular swimming. My typical splits are 25-27 minutes for Olympic distance; 32-36 for 1/2 IM; 1:11 for IM.

You find it harder than actual swimming force wise, meaning it is harder to pull? On what setting do you usually use it.

The speeds given on the little computer DO seem slow, but on the other hand most of my timed swims occur in a yard pool indoors. It may be that the times shown on the vasa computer would more closely match my open water speed.

Guys, I don’t really care what vasa pace equates to real pace. It is all training either way. I’d just like to know if you can some easy stuff too, or is every workout moderate hard to very hard. For example, I can get on my rollers for a recovery ride, but I can also push 400W if I had the legs for it.