Using bathrooms

Yes.

No.

Being a ā€˜less regulation is sometimes better’ kinda guy, l guess l find that legalizing bias because someone is just uncomfortable with another person is highly problematic.

And, while not identiflcal, such legalized bias has some non trivial similarities to many cases of pretty sad previous legalized bias in our checkered history.

Plus, people need to be able to take a piss, and often they don’t have a lot of good options. So l favor helping out the person that needs to take a piss.

I also believe in smaller government. However that doesn’t mean I don’t support government regulation and legislation. And we already have very straightforward legislation on gender separation in certain aspects of society. Edit: I simply want to continue to enforce it and respect the spirit of said laws.

I find it highly problematic that a small and definitely unique portion of the population is uncomfortable with recognizing that fact and refusing to acknowledge the reality of the entire situation and accept a very reasonable alternative.

Unfortunately, not presently. You and l know that many business and facilities don’t have multi gender bathrooms. At all.

So, if a place has only two restroom choices, as many of them do, for trans people who are forced into a certain bathroom by law, they can end up in an unfair catch–22.

Just to take a piss.

Yea…because it’s not legally required yet. Hence the entire subject of your OP and my initial reply.

This brings the argument back full circle to the fact that IF it was a legal requirement to have an alternative option in addition to restricted genders rooms across the board then we wouldnt need to have this conversation and everyone would have a safe space to take a piss and change their clothes.

Currently no legislation = Wild West for all.

Proposed legislation = defined spaces, safety, & privacy for all

fyi, the proposed idaho legislation, to the best of my knowledge, puts zero requirements on businesses or facilities to build, convert, or re-label bathrooms. It only puts requirements on trans people who have to take a piss or go to prison in a catch-22 situation.

But, heck, at least everyone will be more comfortable. :wink:

Again, for the nth time, I’m in support of this type of legislation if amended.

The April 6 lawsuit alleges that New York’s LGBTQ Long-Term Care Facility Residents’ Bill of Rights infringes on the First Amendment.

Among other provisions of the law, care facilities cannot refuse a transgender resident’s request to be assigned a room or be allowed to use a restroom that aligns with their gender identity.

The New York State Department of Health said it does not comment on pending litigation but that it is ā€œcommitted to following state law,ā€ including provisions barring discrimination based on gender.

Another one for the courts.

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Please remember which forum this thread is in.

It is well-known that in sports stadiums (Philly in particular, but probably other places too?) when the line to the :women_s_room: is too long, they’ll go into the :men_s_room: and just pee in the sink

As far as I know, no women has ever been sexually assaulted in such a situation; pants down, surrounded by men

The girl who tried to kill me always said that Nuns were either: girls who were raped by priests as children, or lesbians, or witches, or any combination of the three, so the joining the convent was the safest place for them ā€˜lest they begot demon children’

I will continue to repeat this as long as it bears repeating:

Physical sexual assault is not the ONLY type of sexual assault nor is it the only issue with the transgender bathroom debacle.

I will continue to repeat this as long as it bears repeating:

The situation that, even when no assault, intimidatation, or harassment occurs, that some highly sensitive americans want laws to protect against people’s perceived emotional discomfort, this situation has remarkable parallels to an era when some highly sensitive white americans wanted laws to eliminate their discomfort around black americans in bathrooms and near water fountains, etc.

I don’t think that it is reasonable to compare the fear of being sexually assaulted/harassed to someone disliking black people.

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I absolutely agree.

Because l am not doing that. Instead, l am comparing the fear of discomfort from being around harmless trans people to the fear of discomfort with being around black people. And the parallels between these two situations.

My response to this will also always be the same:

We ALREADY have laws in place that separate individuals based on physical sex characteristics for a reason(s).

Interpretation:

Society has already decided it is not ok to separate based on race a la segregation.

Society has also already decided it is ok to separate based on sex/gender in private areas

Your thought process doesn’t hold up that it is simply highly sensitive Americans.

No you just have on bathroom with private stalls and a common area for washing hands checking your mascara etc. I think a private business should be able to specify that folks use bathroom that conforms to their biological. I think it should be up to business keep gov’t out of it

Ok, on the face of it, that seems reasonable.

If this person came to such a business and needed to use the bathroom, in your view, which bathroom would be best?

I keep wondering who is going to be doing the policing of this sort of stuff? I would think most of the time people are none the wiser when a transgender person uses the bathroom of their preferred gender.

I see way more people who are non-binary than obviously transgender, and frankly I’m not sure if they are female or male. Are they going to have to get the go ahead from someone when they go to use the restroom?