If you are constantly being passed on the right, then you are constantly blocking.
I do not believe having officials at a race has nothing to do about insurance or issues.
I agree.
If you are constantly being passed on the right, then you are constantly blocking.
Again, you jump to conclusions, but I will let you believe what you want.
Well then explain it. YOU said you have seen a lot of illegal passing on the right. The only time I’ve ever had to pass on the right is when someone is blocking. All I know is that on most courses, if you are in the proper position then you can’t be passed on the right. Why is it happening to you so often if not blocking?
Edit: to quote you verbatim: "I have loved it this year how many times I was passed on the right by folks illegally. "
Well then explain it. YOU said you have seen a lot of illegal passing on the right. The only time I’ve ever had to pass on the right is when someone is blocking. All I know is that on most courses, if you are in the proper position then you can’t be passed on the right. Why is it happening to you so often if not blocking?
Edit: to quote you verbatim: "I have loved it this year how many times I was passed on the right by folks illegally. "
Agree. If it’s a non-Draft legal race and you’re passed on the right then you’re to far left. This is blocking.
Well then explain it. YOU said you have seen a lot of illegal passing on the right. The only time I’ve ever had to pass on the right is when someone is blocking. All I know is that on most courses, if you are in the proper position then you can’t be passed on the right. Why is it happening to you so often if not blocking?
Edit: to quote you verbatim: "I have loved it this year how many times I was passed on the right by folks illegally. "
Nah, would rather just let you assume the negative.
Dave - this is how you typically try to get out of a discussion…throw dirt on the other person for being negative, making assumptions, or whatever. Anything but providing an explanation. So, if it’s not blocking, please enlighten us, otherwise you are just pleading the 5th.
Dave - this is how you typically try to get out of a discussion…throw dirt on the other person for being negative, making assumptions, or whatever. Anything but providing an explanation. So, if it’s not blocking, please enlighten us, otherwise you are just pleading the 5th.
Nope, that is how you want to look at it.
No different than lots of time folks accuse me of things on ST. I have no desire to play these games with folks that already think they know what happened.
I will not play the snowflake game.
Clearly, you are being the snowflake here. I’m ready to eat humble pie if you can just explain why you are constantly being passed on the right. I thought you had tougher skin. If you were inadvertently blocking, just say it. Instead, you cast aspersions.
Clearly, you are being the snowflake here. I’m ready to eat humble pie if you can just explain why you are constantly being passed on the right. I thought you had tougher skin. If you were inadvertently blocking, just say it. Instead, you cast aspersions.
Nope, I am not going to take the bait. You jumped to the conclusion I cheated, Great, be my guest and think you know. I see this on ST all the time.
Yep, I am a total rule breaker. I have no idea what I am ever talking about. I am a BOP racer. And if it makes you happy, I am the best snowflake on ST.
New want to be anything but the best, right. 
Who said constantly on the right? You cannot even quote correctly, which is again why you win, you have seen all this happen first hand, and already know the answers.
If you are constantly being passed on the right, then you are constantly blocking.
LOL, I love it. Yeah, Dave I can’t think of a single scenario where it wouldn’t be blocking. You ride on the right unless passing. Simple as that. It has nothing to do with being a hater or whatever other kind of silliness you want to dream up. I could possibly see you biking a little more left if the shoulder isn’t deemed safe enough to bike on and in that scenario, if someone is passing you on the right they are an idiot, but other than that, you are blocking.
There should be officials at all races.
Clearly, you are being the snowflake here. I’m ready to eat humble pie if you can just explain why you are constantly being passed on the right. I thought you had tougher skin. If you were inadvertently blocking, just say it. Instead, you cast aspersions.
Nope, I am not going to take the bait. You jumped to the conclusion I cheated, Great, be my guest and think you know. I see this on ST all the time.
Yep, I am a total rule breaker. I have no idea what I am ever talking about. I am a BOP racer. And if it makes you happy, I am the best snowflake on ST.
New want to be anything but the best, right.
Who said constantly on the right? You cannot even quote correctly, which is again why you win, you have seen all this happen first hand, and already know the answers.
How quickly we forget what we said. That would be you again. To quote Dave: "I have loved it this year **how many times I was passed on the right **by folks illegally. "
Big difference between I did not see a race official (easily could happen) and there was no race official (dubious).
Clearly, you are being the snowflake here. I’m ready to eat humble pie if you can just explain why you are constantly being passed on the right. I thought you had tougher skin. If you were inadvertently blocking, just say it. Instead, you cast aspersions.
Agreed. He’s pulling a Donald Trump. Opps. Maybe this should go to the LR.
It is up to the RD if they want to pay to have USAT officials at their race.
But since MOST athletes never help, just take, well, …
Our paying $$$ for events is not helping? I (we) shouldn’t be expected to volunteer our time nor should would be expected to become race officials. Isn’t that why we pay $$$?
Wow, you really must not know how our sport works. I guess all the volunteers should stop helping at races since none of us ever get paid directly.
Don’t put words in my mouth.
I know how the sport works. I know that volunteers are integral to making races work. We can debate the substance of that all day long. What I typed was that we shouldn’t be expected to volunteer or help. Least of which should any of us be expected to become race officials. Most of these races aren’t run by 501c3 non-profits so it irks me a fair bit that race companies are making money largely off the backs of free labor. I get the argument that races “might” not be around if all the labor was paid because registration fees would increase but there needs to be a solution to that, especially with whatever precedent is set with the current lawsuits. That all stated, I (we) shouldn’t be expected to volunteer. I really dislike how the race companies hold that over the athlete’s heads that there will be no race unless we get your free labor.
Your quote that most athletes never help is just a shit comment because I shouldn’t be expected to help with something that I paid for. If I order a coffee from Starbucks, and they’re taking too long to make it because they’re busy, should I be expected to jump over the counter and help them sling drinks? Nope! I will either choose to wait or take my business elsewhere.
It is up to the RD if they want to pay to have USAT officials at their race.
But since MOST athletes never help, just take, well, …
Our paying $$$ for events is not helping? I (we) shouldn’t be expected to volunteer our time nor should would be expected to become race officials. Isn’t that why we pay $$$?
Wow, you really must not know how our sport works. I guess all the volunteers should stop helping at races since none of us ever get paid directly.
Don’t put words in my mouth.
I know how the sport works. I know that volunteers are integral to making races work. We can debate the substance of that all day long. What I typed was that we shouldn’t be expected to volunteer or help. Least of which should any of us be expected to become race officials. Most of these races aren’t run by 501c3 non-profits so it irks me a fair bit that race companies are making money largely off the backs of free labor. I get the argument that races “might” not be around if all the labor was paid because registration fees would increase but there needs to be a solution to that, especially with whatever precedent is set with the current lawsuits. That all stated, I (we) shouldn’t be expected to volunteer. I really dislike how the race companies hold that over the athlete’s heads that there will be no race unless we get your free labor.
Your quote that most athletes never help is just a shit comment because I shouldn’t be expected to help with something that I paid for. If I order a coffee from Starbucks, and they’re taking too long to make it because they’re busy, should I be expected to jump over the counter and help them sling drinks? Nope! I will either choose to wait or take my business elsewhere.
I do agree totally with you.
Most of the USAT races I do have zero officials, and I am totally fine with that.
Not even a USAT Race Referee based around transition? Seems unlikely.
Every race I have done this season locally, minus Auburn, had zero and I mean zero officials. And that is fine with me.
I’ve also been at multiple USAT sanctioned events that didn’t appear to have any USAT officials present in transition or on the course. I’m not fine with that, but I tolerate it at events which I know to be generally safe and where the majority of my peers attempt to follow the rules even though there are likely no officials to bust them.
I don’t have a problem paying the USAT annual membership. It’s insignificant in my total yearly budget for endurance sports. I do have an issue if I believe that USAT isn’t paying attention to members like me.
It is up to the RD if they want to pay to have USAT officials at their race.
But since MOST athletes never help, just take, well, …
Can I ask you to explain how the second statement you made here (which I do not agree with btw) is the cause of the first statement you made?
I ask because it appears to me that you are saying that the RDs choose not to pay to have officials at the race because MOST athletes are lazy and/or greedy. Did I read that correctly?
It is up to the RD if they want to pay to have USAT officials at their race.
But since MOST athletes never help, just take, well, …
Our paying $$$ for events is not helping? I (we) shouldn’t be expected to volunteer our time nor should would be expected to become race officials. Isn’t that why we pay $$$?
Wow, you really must not know how our sport works. I guess all the volunteers should stop helping at races since none of us ever get paid directly.
Don’t put words in my mouth.
I know how the sport works. I know that volunteers are integral to making races work. We can debate the substance of that all day long. What I typed was that we shouldn’t be expected to volunteer or help. Least of which should any of us be expected to become race officials. Most of these races aren’t run by 501c3 non-profits so it irks me a fair bit that race companies are making money largely off the backs of free labor. I get the argument that races “might” not be around if all the labor was paid because registration fees would increase but there needs to be a solution to that, especially with whatever precedent is set with the current lawsuits. That all stated, I (we) shouldn’t be expected to volunteer. I really dislike how the race companies hold that over the athlete’s heads that there will be no race unless we get your free labor.
Your quote that most athletes never help is just a shit comment because I shouldn’t be expected to help with something that I paid for. If I order a coffee from Starbucks, and they’re taking too long to make it because they’re busy, should I be expected to jump over the counter and help them sling drinks? Nope! I will either choose to wait or take my business elsewhere.
Exactly what I was going to say.
Most of the USAT races I do have zero officials, and I am totally fine with that.
Not even a USAT Race Referee based around transition? Seems unlikely.
Every race I have done this season locally, minus Auburn, had zero and I mean zero officials. And that is fine with me.
I’ve also been at multiple USAT sanctioned events that didn’t appear to have any USAT officials present in transition or on the course. I’m not fine with that, but I tolerate it at events which I know to be generally safe and where the majority of my peers attempt to follow the rules even though there are likely no officials to bust them.
I don’t have a problem paying the USAT annual membership. It’s insignificant in my total yearly budget for endurance sports. I do have an issue if I believe that USAT isn’t paying attention to members like me.
It is up to the RD if they want to pay to have USAT officials at their race.
But since MOST athletes never help, just take, well, …
Can I ask you to explain how the second statement you made here (which I do not agree with btw) is the cause of the first statement you made?
I ask because it appears to me that you are saying that the RDs choose not to pay to have officials at the race because MOST athletes are lazy and/or greedy. Did I read that correctly?
I did not say that.
I said that the RD does choose if they want officials, and the RD has to pay for them.
I did not say MOST athletes are lazy and/or greedy. I say that most athletes, as has been written over the years on ST, do just take from the sport. I see very few who
volunteer. Very very few up step up and become an official. So from giving back to the sport, yep must just take. Overall lazy, not Type A’s. But a lot of type A’s do not seem to want to give back.
I applaud LTF for their decision. USAT has lost their way on many fronts and from the event side pretty much have become an (expensive) insurance provider and not much more. LTF will be able to use a tremendous amount of money (15 per person) and invest it as they feel will best serve their audience.