Have the pros/mechanics been following ST posts on clinchers with tubes over tubeless? Many of the same reasons as written by STers.
Slowman might now update next year’s tubeless survey for road tires with “tried tubeless and going back to tubes”.
Well that is odd. I think sealant usually works better without the tube so I don’t understand why you would use a tube. Now I can kinda see that they would do tubes on training wheels. Those ProTour guys are notoriously bad mechanics (and the Yates twins don’t seem the least bit interested in bike technology). The idea of having to mess with a valve stem when putting i a tube after a flat would probably flumex them bigly.
There where a lot of riders using clincher tires in the TdF already in the 90:s
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It’s almost like tubeless is purely marketing hype and not actually that helpful…
Really? Did you read the article? Did you miss the part where when asked about clinchers they gave a firm “Maybe, maybe. It’s a possibility.†Sounds like a real strong endorsement.
Or maybe you missed “they’re confident tubeless setups are the future in the racing world”
Really? Did you read the article? Did you miss the part where when asked about clinchers they gave a firm “Maybe, maybe. It’s a possibility.†Sounds like a real strong endorsement.
Or maybe you missed “they’re confident tubeless setups are the future in the racing world”
With any tubeless debate you always have to have the old-man-shaking-fist. Let him do his thing.
Did you read the article? It was largely a tubular vs. clincher debate. And citing how pros are still using tubes when they do opt for clinchers. Hell, I’d much prefer tubulars if I had a mechanic keeping all my gear in top shape too
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And if I didn’t have to pay for them
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Really? Did you read the article? Did you miss the part where when asked about clinchers they gave a firm “Maybe, maybe. It’s a possibility.†Sounds like a real strong endorsement.
Or maybe you missed “they’re confident tubeless setups are the future in the racing world”
Yes, I read the click bait article. And brings out points much like our ST discussions.
They’ll have those messy road tubeless sprays at high pressures after a flat. While they’ll probably just make a bike change, the mechanics will still have to clean up the mess and put on new tubeless at night. Then the mechanics will say “Why aren’t we using latex or butyl tubes or go back to tubulars”.
Tubular, tubeless, or tubes is right in there with how best to care for your chain. I’m certain if there were an article on the pro peloton waxing their chains, it would be on the forum.
In a perfect world, with no flats, I’d still be using tubulars too. Loved them and they set us apart from the tourists back in the day.
Then the price of tubulars would hopefully come down because they would be so plentiful again. I could buy a year or two worth of tubulars and have them aging on old rims waiting for the next season. My wheels would be the envy of all the clincher wheels.
In a perfect world, with no flats, I’d still be using tubulars too. Loved them and they set us apart from the tourists back in the day… My wheels would be the envy of all the clincher wheels.
So, you just want to be able to say you’re special?
Agree. Tubulars make good sense for pros; they can roll on a flat one until the team car arrives.
Agree. Tubulars make good sense for pros; they can roll on a flat one until the team car arrives.
Plus you have much better control of the bike when they lose air, which is a big plus in a large and very fast peloton or descending. The 200 or so gram weight benefit of the rims also matters at that level. Really, other than for TTs, where the last bit of aero and Crr matters, I don’t see anything better than tubulars for racing.
Have the pros/mechanics been following ST posts on clinchers with tubes over tubeless? Many of the same reasons as written by STers.
Slowman might now update next year’s tubeless survey for road tires with “tried tubeless and going back to tubes”.
you’re going to be really disappointed in us, both on the front page and here in the forum.
Agreed on all accounts. I like tubeless tyres and ride on them, but in the pro peloton tubulars still make the most sense for everything but TTs.
Agreed on all accounts. I like tubeless tyres and ride on them, but in the pro peloton tubulars still make the most sense for everything but TTs.
Although all the tubulars right now in Stage 3 seem to be doing a terrible job at holding air. There’s like a constant stream of guys chasing back on.
In a perfect world, with no flats, I’d still be using tubulars too. Loved them and they set us apart from the tourists back in the day… My wheels would be the envy of all the clincher wheels.
So, you just want to be able to say you’re special?
Yes lol. Could use some help in that special or noteworthy category. I do know someone else in my small town that rides tubulars so it might be a take away from him or validation.
Have the pros/mechanics been following ST posts on clinchers with tubes over tubeless? Many of the same reasons as written by STers.
Slowman might now update next year’s tubeless survey for road tires with “tried tubeless and going back to tubes”.
you’re going to be really disappointed in us, both on the front page and here in the forum.
In the pro ranks, when they inspect tubeless tires at the end of day, are they really going to have much appetite to mess with removing the tire, cleaning up the sealant/wheel, installing a new tubeless tire, adding new sealant and getting the sealant out of the rider’s kit??? Likely, they will stay with tubulars.
At the current status quo, I don’t think sealant at > 95lbs is going to work well for the pros. Some of us AGers are disgruntled with road use. Now if the sealant is improved to where it seals more quickly/immediately between 95 - 120lbs, then we’re looking at it again.
Not really a surprise. Tubed clinchers are fast and reliable. Tubeless are still a tad stiffer and heavier on skinny tires. And the sealant allows too much pressure loss before it seals on high-pressure tires. So the “normal” benefits of tubeless don’t yet exist sub-30mm tires.
Have the pros/mechanics been following ST posts on clinchers with tubes over tubeless? Many of the same reasons as written by STers.
Slowman might now update next year’s tubeless survey for road tires with “tried tubeless and going back to tubes”.
you’re going to be really disappointed in us, both on the front page and here in the forum.
In the pro ranks, when they inspect tubeless tires at the end of day, are they really going to have much appetite to mess with removing the tire, cleaning up the sealant/wheel, installing a new tubeless tire, adding new sealant and getting the sealant out of the rider’s kit??? Likely, they will stay with tubulars.
At the current status quo, I don’t think sealant at > 95lbs is going to work well for the pros. Some of us AGers are disgruntled with road use. Now if the sealant is improved to where it seals more quickly/immediately between 95 - 120lbs, then we’re looking at it again.
what happens in the pro peloton is only of editorial interest to me when their use case matches ours. what i wrote here 3 or 4 years ago is that disc brakes were coming to tri, and that they should come to tri. almost all of you said no way. what i’m telling you today is that road tubeless is coming to tri, and that it should come to tri. most of you, as of now, are saying no way. i predict a trajectory similar to that of disc brakes.