Tyler

I’m sorry if this has already been posted, but I have not seen it here.

What do you think?

http://velonews.com/news/fea/7242.0.html

I’m sorry if this has already been posted, but I have not seen it here.

What do you think?

http://velonews.com/news/fea/7242.0.html
… and Iraq has weapons of md … and in 3 weeks santa is coming.

Call me naive but for some reason I kind of believe the guy. Can he be innocent?

I hope he is innocent, but it dont look good. Im waiting for more info until I make a judgement.

not to beat a very very dead horse, but it keeps looking worse for him everyday. First he was going to show proof that he was innocent to the UCI and Phonak was going to stand behind him all the way.

Then he was suspended from Phonak while they were going to spend $800,000 to test the test and prove it wasn’t valid

Now he’s fired by Phonak and the UCI says they had been warning Phonak all season long about blood irregularities.

Yes he seems like a nice guy, and yes *he could be innocent, *but things are looking worse for him every time there is another announcement.

I predict he has a press conference in two months saying - “I’m innocent, but with all the press and all the fans and the USADA against me I have decided that the right thing to do is quit now and not put American Cycling through the trial of having to question what’s been going on for years… blah blah blah… I will now retire and even though I know I am innocent and have two new puppies I’m being railroaded out of the sport i love”…

Perhaps this is a grand conspiracy led by the French, Spanish and Canadians in retaliation for Armstrong winning the tour 6 times and Bush not finding WMDs in Iraq.

Or, maybe the blood sample was taken with a dirty needle?

Or, maybe Tyler has a “lost twin” that is living inside him, producing different blood cells.

Maybe…

Maybe it is campaign led by Hed to defame Tyler for riding Zipp wheels! HED vs. ZIPP!!

FYI, I did see a show where a fetal twin was somehow caught inside of this guys abdomen. It wasn’t producing any bloodcells, and this guy wasn’t anywhere close to being an athlete (he couldn’t even really walk with ease), but he did have a fetal twin… So perhaps that really is a possibility.

I will stick with Hed sabotage as my theory for now…

You’re close, John. It isn’t his lost twin at all. It’s his Evil Twin. Lance knew this was Tyler’s year at the Tour so he had the real Tyler kidnapped and his place taken by the Evil Twin, who then did the blood doping thing to get Tyler banned for life so Lance can continue winning Tours. Lance was also responsible for all Tyler’s crashes. He had his wrenches mess with Tyler’s bikes. Also, Lance had Tugboat killed.
I know this all to be as true as Tyler’s statement.
Frank

I have to admit that I believed that he must be guilty from the onset BUT now I am trying to look back and evaluate the events. It seems there is probable cause that the tests were performed carelessly. If there is a possibility of error, should we not deem him innocent? Perhaps I am missing the facts.

It does seem there are people being found guilty by these tests when in fact they could very well be innocent (Kelly Guest perhaps). All I am saying is that it would be a shame to loose such talent from a sport if the athlete did nothing wrong.

WAS TYLER’S TEST CONCLUSIVE is my question or was it riddled with false positives?

I can’t wait until the very end of this mess, when they have the “Evil” Tyler in handcuffs. The police chief says, “well, this isn’t Tyler Hamilton at all, it’s actually…” and he pulls off the Tyler Mask (complete with Phonak jersey) and it’s Sheryl Crow!!!

And she says, “…and I would have gotten away with it, if it wasn’t for you meddling kids!!!”

All the “but he’s so nice” people then jump into the Mystery Machine and ride off into the sunset.

meddling kids
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My bad.

Edited.

Lets see, Santiago Perez of Phonak also tests positive for blood transfusion at the Vuelta. Not to mention Oscar Camenzind of Phonak tested positive for EPO in August, admits it, then retires.

Wake up and smell the PEDs.

http://velonews.com/race/int/articles/7257.0.html

“Wake up and smell the PEDs.”

Technically, what Tyler and Santi are alleged to have done does NOT involve PEDs.

Words mean things folks. If we are going to hold folks to hard and fast rules, it behooves us to speak accurately in our discourse.

If you take a step back and view the situation objectively, the chain of events is really no different than any other doping scandal. The only difference is the names of the riders, their nationalities, and team’s sponsors.

  1. Rider tests positive
  2. Rider vehemently denies taking PEDs
  3. Rider vows legal and moral crusade to avail himself of positive test results and doping accusations
  4. Rider loses battle and disappears into the background, at least for a couple years

In a sport that’s trying very hard to generate a clean public image, you’d think the tendency would be to let questionable test results slide in favor of the rider in order to save the face of cycling from another bruise. I’m not saying this is correct, just what I’d expect to be the case.

“In a sport that’s trying very hard to generate a clean public image, you’d think the tendency would be to let questionable test results slide in favor of the rider in order to save the face of cycling from another bruise.”

It may be my assessment that the degree to which this statement reflects accuracy may be significant to extremely significant.

And, that the degree of accuracy relevant to this statment may be further corroborated in future events to a greater or lesser degree.

Why not make pro cycling a drug assisted event like pro bodybuilding? Think of the possibilities! An ambulance could be at the rear of the peloton to police up all the cardiac seizures while the team managers could drive up next to their domestiques and hand off a jersey full of hypodermic needles to support their team. What the hell. The sport of cycling has obviously tried over the past few years to make the public think they are doing something about the abuse of performance enhancing drugs. Lance is a target, Tyler is a target, Virenque is a target, and Pantani would still be here today had the sport been open to all dopers.

cnn.com/cycling/1998/tourdefrance/news/1998/07/21/drugs_slush/

And then the Sheryl Crow mask is pulled off to reveal…Tyler himself. He and Lance are lovers!!! See? He’s REALLY nice…and neat.

“Wake up and smell the PED’s”

“Words mean things folks”

Yes they do folks. While PED usually means Perfromance Enhancing DRUGS, it can also stand for Performance Enhancing DOPING. (particularly confusing in this discussion) Best not to go off half cocked like I usually do :slight_smile:

Just like EPO usually means that long medical word, but I was surprised to see at the pharmacy the other day a bottle of EPO. I had to read the label to see “Evening Primrose Oil”. I’ve never done either form of EPO as my race results prove conclusively. :slight_smile:

To be safe, we should be specific with what we say, particularly when confusion is possible. “They” “he” etc can all cause confusion when used recklessly.

You are correct in pointing out that sometimes folks use different meanings…but that is precisely why I brought this up. We water down words and even acronyms until the meanings are so obscured that nothing is said. In the topic at hand, PED is performance enhancing DRUGs. You will not find PED referred to as performance enhancing DOPING in any publication that I’m aware of. If PED is ever used as such it is in forums like this where laymen have MISUSED the acronym to blanket all non-mechanical forms of performance enhancement.

Your EPO reference points out some major culprits in the dumbing down of the language…marketers and advertisers. They prominently labeled that evening primrose oil as EPO for a reason… Your typical GNC store is full of such misleading prose that capitalizes on buzzwords. That does NOT make such usage accurate. Here’s another example…consider how many marketing slugs slap the “aero” label on a product that in fact has little, if any, real aerodynamic advantage. Why can they do that? Because we don’t demand that they be specific with their language. Or we accept a watered down, imprecise meaning. In this case, however, the marketers are technically correct because everything has aerodynamic properties, even a cement block. Its our muddled understanding of the “aero” buzzword that allows them to get away with using it to catch our eyes and $.

Therefore, I stand by my earlier post.