Hi Folks:
I was wondering for the people who use WKO+ or Training Peaks what is your average total (swim, bike, run, strength etc) TSS per day at your peak before taper?
I’m just curious. I hit 99.2 on my CTL before I started my taper for Boston.
Ken
I just use it for bike and run only
On 3/17 I was at 95.4 then reduced training for an important swim meet. Currently I’m at 86. I’m going to try and keep a -20 balance untill 2 weeks before Triple T.
My excel sheet predicts that I should be near 125 but I have never planned training this way before and I might go another route if I feel the training is too hard or too easy.
jaretj
So you hit 99CTL for just your running alone, or that was a combined CTL. ?
Combined.
The split is about 43.5 running, 30.9 biking, 20.9 running and 8.3 strength.
Ken
140.9 CTL combined,
144.28 TSS daily avg (7 day avg).
What are training for?
I’m training for Boston then Lake Placid.
Ken
The split is about 43.5 running, 30.9 biking, 20.9 running and 8.3 strength.
??
TSS can really only be calculated from power data…I take it you have been estimating it for running, swimming, and weight training? (In which case, what you are really using is a variation of Foster’s session RPE approach, even if you don’t know it.)
What are training for?
I’m training for Boston then Lake Placid.
Ken
Next race is Vineman in August, good luck on your races!
I think they are combining Rtss (McGregor’s algorithm) and Tss (your algorithm) to come up with the combined number. However, I don’t think it makes sense to try to combine the stress scores from different sports, ie, running and cycling. Best to look at the stress scores from each sport individually.
I get my running TSS from WKO+ from downloading my RS400 so I suppose my run TSS is really Rtss.
jaretj
Yes, that’s correct. Note that TSS is based on power as Dr. Coggan said whereas Rtss is based on pace (running pace adjusted for elevation changes). Phil Skiba’s software, Raceday, will calculate running power (Runscore/Govss) by taking into consideration height, weight and elevation changes, if that is of interest.
TSS can really only be calculated from power data…I take it you have been estimating it for running, swimming, and weight training? (In which case, what you are really using is a variation of Foster’s session RPE approach, even if you don’t know it.)
Yes I am using rTSS for running and Quarq for power on the bike. Swimming and Strength training are done by estimating the IF which is obviously by RPE.
Actually his software is of interest to me since he is working with triathletes and not just biking. His predictions on responses to training is of particular interest.
The last time I looked at it I couldn’t determine if I could download my RS400 to it or not.
jaretj
You’re worrying about daily TSS ?..what you should be more worrying about is Boston taking the zip out of your legs for Placid…not that there is anything wrong with that if Boston is your A race and Placid B…but if it is the other way around, then…
You’re worrying about daily TSS ?..what you should be more worrying about is Boston taking the zip out of your legs for Placid…not that there is anything wrong with that if Boston is your A race and Placid B…but if it is the other way around, then…
I’m not worried about daily TSS at all, I was just wondering how it compared to others. I was half thinking that because this is SlowTwitch everyone would have TSS of 300+ a day. I’m really happy with where I am at in my training right now regardless of what my TSS, RPE or rTSS say. 
I’m not that worried about Boston taking the zip out of my legs for Placid as this is my first time doing either event. While I’d like to do well, having “fun” is more important, especially at Placid as it will be my first Iron Man. I do have goals for both events but they’re in pencil not pen (3:10 or better at Boston and sub 11 hours at Placid).
Ken
Ps. How could Boston take the zip out of my legs when you do Placid then IM Canada more or less back to back each year?
Where did you get the impression that I did that double each year? It was a one off and I do think that a spring marathon takes more zip out of the legs than a full Ironman as I have done the spring marathon+Summer IM way too many times before I conceded that it takes away from the performance at the IM.
If not, you’d see every pro do a spring marathon before a summer Ironman and almost ZERO pros do spring marathons before summer or fall Ironmans…this is an age group phenomenon
…and yes, I was going to respond that everyone on ST has to log somewhere around 300 (Rich Stauss’ IM bikesplit guideline) or should be banished from this website.
Dev
PS: I’ve done the sub 3:10 Boston (actually 2:59) followed by sub 11 at LP and it is not really a cakewalk “I just want to have fun” combo. You may pull it off, but I seriously believe that for most sub 3:10 at Boston and sub 11 at LP will constitute a large amount of pain…certainly not a “cruising and having fun”…hopefully you prove me wrong, but if you are in that kind of fitness, go out and rip it, suck up the pain, forget about having fun and go as fast as you can go…having fun can be reserved for the finish line party
Where did you get the impression that I did that double each year? It was a one off and I do think that a spring marathon takes more zip out of the legs than a full Ironman as I have done the spring marathon+Summer IM way too many times before I conceded that it takes away from the performance at the IM.
Sorry for making the assumption that you did the double each year.
PS: I’ve done the sub 3:10 Boston (actually 2:59) followed by sub 11 at LP and it is not really a cakewalk “I just want to have fun” combo. You may pull it off, but I seriously believe that for most sub 3:10 at Boston and sub 11 at LP will constitute a large amount of pain…certainly not a “cruising and having fun”…hopefully you prove me wrong, but if you are in that kind of fitness, go out and rip it, suck up the pain, forget about having fun and go as fast as you can go…having fun can be reserved for the finish line party
You killed my year long goals in about 250 words! I am a “PBs are fun” kinda guy, so I’ll be going as hard as I can in both events and not really holding anything back. I know that a sub 11 will be a very tough goal for me regardless of Boston but it’s the number that I am training towards.
Ken
Put them down in the 2009 goals thread in pen not pencil.
The first step to achieving goals is casting them in concrete.
But that’s just the first step, cause a goal without a plan is dream.
Then there’s that pesky execution thing that still gets in the way of goals
Go get it!
Dev
Put them down in the 2009 goals thread in pen not pencil.
The first step to achieving goals is casting them in concrete.
But that’s just the first step, cause a goal without a plan is dream.
Then there’s that pesky execution thing that still gets in the way of goals
Go get it!
Dev
Thanks Dev!