By the way……. so happy your wife wasn’t a panican regarding the stock market just after liberation day!!!
I was recently brought up to speed about an old personal animus that may still describe Bibi’s tendencies while in office. Yoni, his older brother, was killed by Palestinians back in 1976 in the Entebbe hostage rescue.
Trump recently met with the once terrorist now state leader of Syria. He also called for the pardoning of Bibi. I’ll just say that it remains difficult to maintain current and I still would not rule out a beachfront Trump Plaza in Gaza.
they could put the Trump Gaza Plaza on the water and use the dock Biden built for $300M to offload the tourists.
Mother nature would like a word.
Now if we are talking meaningful, read in investment worthy, development of Gaza, then an anchored causeway pier could work after a permanent set of harbor sea walls are constructed and some dredging of channels done too. But then the need for a temporary pier would be eliminated by simply building a deep water permanent pier facility to go along with the sea wall.
The Israeli Naval blockade was / is most effective because there is only one port of Gaza and this port serves (until it was destroyed) only small vessels, mostly a fishing fleet.
The 2024 causeway plan was a sound plan to get humanitarian aid into the country. And would have been successful had mother nature complied. I have personal experience transporting and using causeways , and all who have experience know full well the inherent sea state limitation to both operation of said dock and the potential for damage and break up of said dock. Such is the power of mother nature.
The devil is always in the detail. So does the detail of phase 2 to this peace plan allow for the construct of a deep water port facility in Gaza?
Or a commercial airport facility for that matter?
New subject: In Iwo Jima we were dealing Japanese soldiers long after their leaders’ surrender as they came out of their hillside caves. Hear tell the Hamas fighters numbering 100-200 still in the tunnels have been given a surrender or die ultimatum too. Prying weapons from cold dead hands, eh.
we had to make a tough decision about Japan even before they started coming out of their caves. We made that tough decision and it was the right decision. Civilians (many) were killed in the process but overall fewer died than would have. We made the right choice dealing with those who came out of caves. If they surrendered we made one choice. If they fought we made another.
Same applies here. Personally I think sealing them in would do the least damage to “civilians”
Re: comparisons of the mentioned lame plans of Biden.
One might argue they learned a lesson from the beat down received on Afghan pull out and the missing humanitarian element left on the tarmac. Options given by Israel towards humanitarian need were this or nothing. So they took a gamble, tried the one option given them and lost. The risk that weather played as being “ignored.” I disagree. Planning always recognizes weakness and risk assessment. The risk was simply accepted. I suspect one option was that they could have played hard ball with Bibi and backed the UN relief team. They did not have the political balls to do that. If we are grading, the Trump humanitarian assist effort was also not a glowing success.
Re: your assessment of them just wanting “to do something details be damned”, again, a bit harsh. Doing nothing was their damned alternative with a cost saving. They erred on the side of being a humanitarian.
re: development of Gaza and good ideas. I’d venture to say that were a plan written to build a commercial deep water port of Gaza and Hamas fighters had all been sent to their demise, Israel might still object.
Sealing in the fighters? Not given a warrior’s death but rather a terrorist’s death? Hopefully their baby brothers above ground not in arms are not then motivated to continue the fight. But then that will be Bibi’s successor’s problem. Revenge of a brothers death can be forever lasting.
As for your side or my side and not wanting to look the idiot and applying spin to save face. Yep, it’s a dance done by fools. I will know that we are in the hurt locker, when both sides get together and “do something together” that then doesn’t turn out, and we continue to blame the other.
In order for me to share your optimism that the previous administration “learned something” from the Afghanistan debacle I would have had to see one of the following:
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any kind of admission at all from anyone within the administration that what occurred was anything other than (according to only them) a resounding success and/or
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any kind of discipline handed out to anyone in the administration who was involved in the plan
having seen neither I fail to see how you can be hopeful that something was learned. But again, this is a theme and it extends to the supporters of this political bent (or should I say simply the anti MAGA crowd). Failure to just admit, even a little bit, that mistakes were made and instead twist themselves into pretzels trying to sweep it under the rug
what you choose to call humanitarian I choose to see as political cover. Again, Biden reacted to the grief he was getting he threw out a plan Like with Afghanistan he also threw out a date (thereby hamstringing those who might have adjusted for weather etc) because he was arrogant and doesn’t understand large scale operations. Here’s my defense for my position……. If this was truly for humanitarian reasons…..When the dock turned into a disaster (because of “weather”) ……. Did they try again? Or was it just lip service?
yes sealing in the fighters Not a fighters death a terrorists death…..because that’s what they are. And as for their baby brothers……if you think that culture is such that being nice to the current terrorists is going to somehow change the baby brothers to good, or vice versa, I’m not sure where to go in this discussion. Except to re-use the term animals as it relates to some of the poor baby brothers and to again put my worry about “civilians” within that culture in quotes
enjoyed the conversation always appreciate we will most likely never fully agree on much but also respect your willingness to go to the mat for your beliefs. Have a nice weekend!!
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