Wow, Cervelo’s are so fast and dominant that I saw how many in the Kona bike count (the one that matters)?
I’m sorry, should that be in pink?
OMG! Did you see Crowie bailed on his ancient brick of a P4 and is riding a Shiv?!?!!?
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OMG! Did you see Crowie bailed on his ancient brick of a P4 and is riding a Shiv?!?!!?
When he gets a free Camelbak Shiv he rides it. When he has to buy the bike himself he gets a Cervelo.
Also did you see that lady who is sponsored by Stork riding a p3?
I’ve got no loyalty to Cervelo, but…
Should have made my ignorant comment in pink…
My apologies for the harshness of my comment, my students had me a little stressed at the time. However, it was meant to be a simple statement to the hordes of people who think that Cervelo’s are a gift from God himself; if they are they you would see every pro riding them and crushing all others. You hear from the Cervelo cult when they have evidence, but dont hear anything when they were non-existent in the tops at Kona.
Mine wasn’t ignorant, it was a fact.
Pro athletes ride the bike company that pays them. However, as someone mentioned, when Crowie had free choice, he chose a Cervelo. And when no ones paying to ride, most people choose Cervelo.
People can dislike Cervelo for whatever reason, everyones entitled to their opinion, but this is a piss poor reason.
5/15 in the women with only Felt and QR having more than 1 (2 each).
Or do women not count?
In the men there were 11 different manufacturers. Tough to say that anyone is “dominant” (even in what, as others have pointed out, is basically a sponsorship $ competition)
I knew some butt-hurt Cervelo people would come about when there wasn’t any in the top 15.
You all can make all the excuses you would like. If Orbea and Shiv are willing to pay Crowie don’t think for a single second Cervelo wouldn’t/didn’t offer him a deal. If he like the bike more, he would have chose it. End of story.
He chose the Shiv over the Cervelo. Don’t cry about it and say this that and the other. Cervelo makes 4 differen’t models. P1-P4 and I guarantee you their numbers are going to come down now that they don’t corner the market on Tri-bikes.
Anyone of those in the top 15 could ride a Cervelo IF they chose too. They did not. Crowie went with the Shiv, Tissink ditched the P4 for a SC. I highly doubt it was a lack of money.
Why would cervelo pay the top tri pros to ride their bike? They already are stomping the triathlon market. See the kona bike count. They have been spending the majority of their money in the road segment in the last few years which is not only a bigger market but one they don’t have as much of a foothold in.
Not to mention the size of specialized is massive compared to cervelo. Cervelo is a small company still in the bike world. So it makes sense not to throw all their money in one basket.
Cervelo is on top of the bike count in Kona becuase athletes don’t buy new bikes every year. Their numbers will dwindle in the coming years. I would be willing to bet a lot of those at Kona are 1-3 year old bikes. Now that their is more of a competitive market, their numbers will come down.
They could afford to have someone like Crowie. It wouldn’t have done anything BUT help the company.
Again, don’t be upset he didn’t stick with the Cervelo. After everything he went through with Orbea, I am sure he chose whichever bike he thought was best for him.
My op above was more directed at the insinuations that he chose the Shiv because Specialized offered him more money.
I see a lot of them in the top 15
Wow, Cervelo’s are so fast and dominant that I saw how many in the Kona bike count (the one that matters)?
I’m sorry, should that be in pink?
I would hazard to guess a lot of the people in Kona do buy a bike very regularly. 1-3 year is still pretty regular and I believe if you look at the count it went up from last year. They do have more competition in the market now but they have had that for the last couple years anyways with specialized, trek, orbea etc and it really hasn’t phased them. It may be beneficial to have someone like Alexander, but I am guessing when they did the math on it they said how much they would get out vs how much they would have to pay a top male pro isn’t worth the effort. Especially since the majority of trathletes have no clue what happened in Kona, let alone what bike he rode let alone he switched right before it. I would say the vast majority have a friend who said this bike is great try this, or went into a bike shop and they said we have these kinds what do you want.
As far as being upset he didn’t stick with Cervelo, I have no clue what you are talking about. He wasn’t getting paid to ride a Cervelo he chose to. Then a company that makes fast bikes decided to pay him money. No idiot is going to say no to someone paying them money to ride a bike especially if it is a fast one, and especially when triathletes hardly make any money. I can assure you a large portion of why he chose the shiv was because of how much they paid him. If trek wanted him and didn’t have Lieto he would have prob been on a trek, and if Cervelo wanted to pay him he would have been on a P4 not blacked out. Its pretty obvious, when he road a P4 for 70.3 worlds that it was a good bike for him and the fastest he tested in the tunnel. You don’t just switch bikes a couple weeks after you won a world championship to something else cause you were bored, especially when said bike you just won the world championship on. You sound like my friend who said Madones are the best bikes cause Lance road them :roll eyes:
If he like the bike more, he would have chose it. End of story.
That simply isn’t true, Matt here on the forum could probably confirm that since he was driving the tech choices. I would wager, and Matt correct me if I am wrong, that in your eyes the shiv/p4 were basically “the same” and the choice of which bike to go with would be entirely based on support and money. Cervelo hasn’t ever sponsored a big name triathlete unless they were with TBB, I am pretty sure they didn’t give crowie an offer at all.
even if they wanted to, and history suggests that is unlikely, it would have been legally a mess to do so given the vegas situation.
I was just checking out the cervelo sponsored athletes and I don’t think they have added any “individual” athletes in a year or 2.
I was just checking out the cervelo sponsored athletes and I don’t think they have added any “individual” athletes in a year or 2.
don’t go injecting too much fact into this thread.
we have to keep the faux anger and emotion ratio high here.
Cervelo is on top of the bike count in Kona becuase athletes don’t buy new bikes every year. Their numbers will dwindle in the coming years. I would be willing to bet a lot of those at Kona are 1-3 year old bikes. Now that their is more of a competitive market, their numbers will come down.
Congratulations on making a completely unsupported generalization. Cervelo has dominated the bike count for as far back into history as I could find data (without Googling more than once or scrolling through results–I’m lazy), and shows no signs of giving up a significant portion of the market to a competitor. Yes, the rate at which the number of their bikes shows up at Kona has slowed down, yes Trek did have its strongest showing at Kona this year since 2005, but it takes two data points to draw a line there–anything else would simply be wild speculation. As for the competitiveness of the market, feel free to perform a skewness analysis on the bike counts. From glancing at the numbers it actually looks like the number of companies with a substantial market share is decreasing since 2005, but I’ll have to run the numbers to check.
2005: Cervelo–195, Closest competitor: 166
2006: Cervelo–257, Closest competitor: 123
2007: Cervelo–344, Closest competitor: 128
2008: Cervelo–415, Closest competitor: 117
2009: Cervelo–462, Closest competitor: 109
2010: Cervelo–468, Closest competitor: 113
2011: Cervelo–488, Closest competitor 185
Learn how to use “their,” “there,” and spell check too.
even though I think speedracer has had too much coffee today, I bet he is right that cervelo’s numbers will start to decline soon.
“dwindle” would be the coffee speaking since they will still be #1 for a long time to come, especially if the PX is compelling.
but, in the meantime, the new shiv is going to be a huge hit, and the speed concept will keep doing really well.
there is more competition now than ever before in the ‘engineered in the tunnel’ segment.
Again, the market has “just now” seen comeptition for Cervelo which I stated above. Their % at Kona will slowly decline over the next few years. Up until recently, Cervelo has not had much competition. That has changed. Specialized, Trek, and a few others are going to put a dent in their numbers at Kona. No need to get upset about it. It’s just what happens.