So they are honoring not only someone that killed US soldiers. He was one of the founders of deadliest terrorist organization in history of the US.
Now you may argue that the govenor was required by law. Obviously they can change the law like so many people have tried, but the governor has no interest in doing that or removing Forrest’s bust in the state capitol. But more importantly, the law says nothing about what can be in the proclamation. The governor has the ability to say what ever he wants and could use the proclamation to condemn him and the obvious evil that displayed. Instead here is what that asshole governor did:
I’m a bit conflicted on tearing down statues and the like, but, yeah…this is a bit much. And, to add to the reasons why Forrest should not be celebrated by anyone is the massacre conducted by his men at Fort Pillow.
In the last years of his life, Forrest publicly denounced the violence and racism of the Klan, insisted he had never been a member, and made at least one public speech (to a black audience) in favor of racial harmony. He and his wife moved onto President’s Island in late 1875, established a home and started a business venture that relied on the Convict Lease System enacted in 1866 by the state of Mississippi, to secure a labor force of 117 convicts whose sentence would be served in clearing and cultivating 800 acres of the 1300 that Forrest had leased. “Among those convicts in his employ were eighteen black and four white female prisoners along with thirty-five white and sixty black male convicts who worked the land on Forrest’s island plantation.”
From Wikipedia page above.
We have been told regularly here that the racists in the Dem party who stood in the way of Civil Rights, apologized for it and “put it down” and that the Rep party “picked it up” in order to garner votes. This despite the fact that a former Klan member (Robert Byrd) led them into the 1990’s in the Senate and a current Presidential Candidate (Joe Biden) speaks of his association with these types during his political career.
Old Nathan Bedford “put it down” and moved on……. should we still hold it against him??
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Old Nathan Bedford “put it down” and moved on……. should we still hold it against him??
Umm, yes. If one of the founders of al-Qaeda claimed to have never been in al-Qaeda, yes he is still bad. He couldn’t even admit that he joined them. What good that did he do to make up for founding them. At least Byrd put his money where his mouth was an passed legislation to help minorities. You yourself showed that Forrest then went on to exploit black people with the Convict Lease System. I see no evidence he actually change his views.
We have been told regularly here that the racists in the Dem party who stood in the way of Civil Rights, apologized for it and “put it down” and that the Rep party “picked it up” in order to garner votes. This despite the fact that a former Klan member (Robert Byrd) led them into the 1990’s in the Senate and a current Presidential Candidate (Joe Biden) speaks of his association with these types during his political career.
If you’re offering this as evidence of ongoing racism in the Democratic party, you’re either ignorant of what he actually said and meant, or hoping that the rest of us are.
While stressing the importance of “civility†in politics, Biden recalled how he’d worked productively alongside two segregationist senators, including the virulent racist Sen. James Eastland (D-MS). “At least there was some civility. We got things done. We didn’t agree on much of anything,†Biden said. “Today, you look at the other side and you’re the enemy.â€
I mean, God forbid you work amicably with people you don’t agree with “on much of anything” to actually get things done in government, which I’m guessing had nothing at all to do with advancing racist legislation those individuals might favor.
Joe’s only mistake was apologizing rather than defending himself.
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Old Nathan Bedford “put it down” and moved on……. should we still hold it against him??
Umm, yes. If one of the founders of al-Qaeda claimed to have never been in al-Qaeda, yes he is still bad. He couldn’t even admit that he joined them. What good that did he do to make up for founding them. At least Byrd put his money where his mouth was an passed legislation to help minorities. You yourself showed that Forrest then went on to exploit black people with the Convict Lease System. I see no evidence he actually change his views.
I pretty much agree with you. Old Nathan was a POS. Though less so in the context of his historical time.
Just want to add some other examples of our history to the inflammatory discussion you decided to start.
If it was me the statue stays the “Nathan” day goes
Our country is filled with a lot of difficult to reconcile history. From well before old Nathan, to Old Nathan, to standing in the school house door, to making the comment that “there are good people on both sides”.
Fortunately, guys like you and me who disagree a lot can interact like this without consequence. We must be doing something right.
We have been told regularly here that the racists in the Dem party who stood in the way of Civil Rights, apologized for it and “put it down” and that the Rep party “picked it up” in order to garner votes. This despite the fact that a former Klan member (Robert Byrd) led them into the 1990’s in the Senate and a current Presidential Candidate (Joe Biden) speaks of his association with these types during his political career.
If you’re offering this as evidence of ongoing racism in the Democratic party, you’re either ignorant of what he actually said and meant, or hoping that the rest of us are.
While stressing the importance of “civility†in politics, Biden recalled how he’d worked productively alongside two segregationist senators, including the virulent racist Sen. James Eastland (D-MS). “At least there was some civility. We got things done. We didn’t agree on much of anything,†Biden said. “Today, you look at the other side and you’re the enemy.â€
I mean, God forbid you work amicably with people you don’t agree with “on much of anything” to actually get things done in government, which I’m guessing had nothing at all to do with advancing racist legislation those individuals might favor.
Joe’s only mistake was apologizing rather than defending himself.
feel better now??
Edit: my comment was not meant to be disparaging of Joe. It was to point out that members of Congress and the Senate who held these beliefs (on both sides) existed within Joe’s career.
This proclamation has been signed every year for the past 50 years. From 2003-2011, Phil Bredesen (D) signed the proclamation each year. Team Donkey controlled the TN Legislature during his first term.
So … why is this “an issue” now and why aren’t you asking why the law wasn’t changed before now?
Also, no, the governor cannot condemn anyone listed in the statute. You need to read the entire chapter and the legislative history.
It was to point out that members of Congress and the Senate who held these beliefs (on both sides) existed within Joe’s career.
If you say so, I’ll take you at your word. It certainly didn’t read that way, at all.
I acknowledge it may not have. It was in answer to a thread started about a “terrorist” though.
As to old Joe, I agree with you, stop apologizing and start communicating a message. Thus far of the 20+ on the left he’s the only one I’ve seen who I think can appeal to enough of the middle
This proclamation has been signed every year for the past 50 years. From 2003-2011, Phil Bredesen (D) signed the proclamation each year. Team Donkey controlled the TN Legislature during his first term.
So … why is this “an issue” now and why aren’t you asking why the law wasn’t changed before now?
Also, no, the governor cannot condemn anyone listed in the statute. You need to read the entire chapter and the legislative history.
oh snap…didn’t see that coming…or maybe we should have. what are the odds that you get a response to this?
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Old Nathan Bedford “put it down” and moved on……. should we still hold it against him??
Umm, yes. If one of the founders of al-Qaeda claimed to have never been in al-Qaeda, yes he is still bad. He couldn’t even admit that he joined them. What good that did he do to make up for founding them. At least Byrd put his money where his mouth was an passed legislation to help minorities. You yourself showed that Forrest then went on to exploit black people with the Convict Lease System. I see no evidence he actually change his views.
I pretty much agree with you. Old Nathan was a POS. Though less so in the context of his historical time.
Just want to add some other examples of our history to the inflammatory discussion you decided to start.
If it was me the statue stays the “Nathan” day goes
Our country is filled with a lot of difficult to reconcile history. From well before old Nathan, to Old Nathan, to standing in the school house door, to making the comment that “there are good people on both sides”.
Fortunately, guys like you and me who disagree a lot can interact like this without consequence. We must be doing something right.
I'll make heads explode and semi-defend Trump on the bolded part. I read the transcript at some point, and could not indict the man, and really think that if people read the exchange in total, many would feel the same. Trump goes to painful lengths to make the point that he is not talking about the alt left/white supremacists, rather the two sides of the debate on whether statues like Lee's should stay or be removed. It looks to me like the two sides of that argument are whom he is referring when he says "you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides".
I think Trump is one of the worst communicators I've seen in politics; or in his parlance, doesn't have good words, and in this case it's worked against him greatly. Have a read:
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Old Nathan Bedford “put it down” and moved on……. should we still hold it against him??
Umm, yes. If one of the founders of al-Qaeda claimed to have never been in al-Qaeda, yes he is still bad. He couldn’t even admit that he joined them. What good that did he do to make up for founding them. At least Byrd put his money where his mouth was an passed legislation to help minorities. You yourself showed that Forrest then went on to exploit black people with the Convict Lease System. I see no evidence he actually change his views.
I pretty much agree with you. Old Nathan was a POS. Though less so in the context of his historical time.
Just want to add some other examples of our history to the inflammatory discussion you decided to start.
If it was me the statue stays the “Nathan” day goes
Our country is filled with a lot of difficult to reconcile history. From well before old Nathan, to Old Nathan, to standing in the school house door, to making the comment that “there are good people on both sides”.
Fortunately, guys like you and me who disagree a lot can interact like this without consequence. We must be doing something right.
I'll make heads explode and semi-defend Trump on the bolded part. I read the transcript at some point, and could not indict the man, and really think that if people read the exchange in total, many would feel the same. Trump goes to painful lengths to make the point that he is not talking about the alt left/white supremacists, rather the two sides of the debate on whether statues like Lee's should stay or be removed. It looks to me like the two sides of that argument are whom he is referring when he says "you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides".
I think Trump is one of the worst communicators I've seen in politics; or in his parlance, doesn't have good words, and in this case it's worked against him greatly. Have a read:
It is not often that Ted Cruz and I are on the same side if anything.
This is WRONG. Nathan Bedford Forrest was a Confederate general & a delegate to the 1868 Democratic Convention. He was also a slave trader & the 1st Grand Wizard of the KKK. Tennessee should not have an official day (tomorrow) honoring him. Change the law.
This proclamation has been signed every year for the past 50 years. From 2003-2011, Phil Bredesen (D) signed the proclamation each year. Team Donkey controlled the TN Legislature during his first term.
So … why is this “an issue” now and why aren’t you asking why the law wasn’t changed before now?
Also, no, the governor cannot condemn anyone listed in the statute. You need to read the entire chapter and the legislative history.
Haslam (R), the last governor, never signed it. Bill Lee is a racist pig and wasted no time in giving his minions positions and contracts adverse to the people of Tennessee. Fuck that guy!
This proclamation has been signed every year for the past 50 years. From 2003-2011, Phil Bredesen (D) signed the proclamation each year. Team Donkey controlled the TN Legislature during his first term.
So … why is this “an issue” now and why aren’t you asking why the law wasn’t changed before now?
Also, no, the governor cannot condemn anyone listed in the statute. You need to read the entire chapter and the legislative history.
Haslam (R), the last governor, never signed it. Bill Lee is a racist pig and wasted no time in giving his minions positions and contracts adverse to the people of Tennessee. Fuck that guy!
False. Haslam signed it (reluctantly) because it is the law.
“Each year it is the duty of the governor of this state to proclaim the following as days of special observance,†the first section of the code states. The Republican governor said last month Tennessee has other, more worthy sons and daughters to laud. “Forrest would not be my choice of one of the Tennesseans that we honor,†he said, according to The Tennessean. Haslam signed the proclamation on June 2, The Tennessean reported, 15 days before Dylann Roof allegedly walked into the Emanuel AME Church in South Carolina and shot dead nine parishioners in a racially-motivated killing, touching off a national debate on the appropriateness of displaying Confederate symbols and remembrances after photos surfaced showing Roof holding the rebel flag.
