Tips for improving running for sprint tri

Hi fellow athletes,

I’m new to triathlon this year, and recently finished my first sprint. I came in 7th in my age group (45-49), largely on the strength of my bike leg. My swimming is respectable, but my run needs improvement. I run 2-3 times a week, but am often sore after challenging bike rides the previous day. I feel like I’m just shuffling along. Fifteen years ago I ran a 37:30 10k, so I know what it feels like to run fast, but I’m struggling now, after 10 years of not running at all, to regain that pop and speed. I know if I committed myself solely to running I could improve very quickly, but I like the 3/3/3 split of triathlon training, never doing one thing two days in a row.

Here’s my question: what specific running workouts should I focus on in the next month before my next sprint tri to improve my time and build on the advantage I gain coming off the bike? Any tips at all greatly welcome!

Thanks.

A couple ideas:
include one or two 10-20 minute runs after your rides each week
strides at the end of your run workouts - 50 to 100 yard accelerations to ‘controlled fast’ pace
a tempo run each week - something like 20 easy, 20 comfortable fast, 10 easy
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I’m your AG and was new a couple of years ago. For expert run advice, search Barry P posts. My experience has been that I get best gains by spending “focus” time on specific skills (4 -6 weeks or so). I don’t completely neglect the other skills, but I’ll spend more time on one at the expense of “balance”. I seem to hold on to past gains pretty well and make large gains in the sport I’m focusing on. For the specific issue you mentioned - I’d guess you just need to run more. Are you doing any brick work? The cool thing about triathlon is the “rubics cube” of decisions that must be made about making gains - not sure there’s a universal “right” way to do it.

Also, unlock the mystery of “more is more” found in this forum.

Good Luck!

What would you think of just making all his runs tempo, with strides at the end?

What seems to be working for me this season is training and racing with a heart-rate monitor. Specifically bricks (and races) where you try to keep under your LT for the beginning of the run, at least till you have it under control (about a km, in my case). But also, anything you do on the bike (or the swim!) will affect the run. If you’re legs are burning for too much of the bike, your run is going to be harder, and slower. But it’s a trade off: if going easier on the bike makes it a minute longer, and you only have a faster run by a minute you might not think it worthwhile - though it’s always nice to have a strong finish, and recovery would be enhanced in that case.

600m and 800m repeats @ 5k and 10k pace once every other week + the tempo runs that others suggested. Elite guys/gals run off their bike rides almost EVERY time they do a bike ride. You don’t need much at all…10-15 mins but that transition from bike to run in a Sprint is magnified in importance by the shortness of the event.

“Fifteen years ago” I ran a 37:30 10k.

how tall are you? how much do you weigh?

how much did you weigh 15 years ago?

Swim and bike slower (do not break a sweat) so you look good when you glide by the BOP’ers on the run. The more people you pass on the run, the studlier you look.

Otherwise, what martyg said…

I increased the number of days I run this year. I try to run 4-5 days, I do a long run weekly, not necessarily for the sprints but I am doing a marathon this fall. I do very little speedwork. I try to run on hills as much as possible. If I am up to it I will run 100m hill repeats at the end of a workout.

I’ve improved my 10K by 2 minutes and my sprint run about 1 minute this season.

Do these workouts weekly during the summer and you will see improvement by this fall:

  1. Tempo - 20-30 minutes at 10K pace plus 10 sek/mile on treadmill, track or fixed course with mile markers (log time and average HR per mile)
  2. 4x4 - 4 x 4 minutes at 5K pace minus 10 sek/mile, 3min rest, on treadmill or track (log distance per 4 minutes and HR at end of each interval)
  3. Brick - Run two miles fast directly after your weekly hard bike (yes, you should have a weekly hard bike too)
  4. Long - If you race only sprints an hour easy run is fine. If you race longer your long run should be longer too.

Set up a spreadsheet and plot metrics for workouts 1-3. You will be surprised how much and how fast you can improve!!! Remember to increase your 10K and 5K pace estimates as your fitness improves. When running 4x4 on track stop your watch at the nearest 100m to get an accurate estimate of distance/4min. 10m improvement per week will get you a long way.

Oh, and I should warn you that these workouts are very hard. Don’t try this if you have a heart condition or something like that. Listen to your body and don’t get yourself injured.

Sindre

Many thanks to all who replied. I’m in this for fun, not glory, but improving feels good. One thing I really like about triatheletes–as opposed to roadies–is the willingness to help newbies like myself get better in the sport. I’m always telling this to people about the triathetes I’ve met over the last year. All swell people.

R

Here’s one good workout that I was doing every other week. When I hadn’t shifted my run focus to ultramarathons I was steadily improving my 5k time and my effort level had dropped dramatically when running an 8:00 pace 7-10 miler:
0.5 mile warmup, 1 mile flat out (6:15ish in my case), 30 second stretch, 0.5 mile cooldown, 1 mile flat out (6:30ish), 0.5 mile cooldown.
I had been doing 400s and 800s but they didn’t really seem to be getting me anywhere. I think the effort was too short to really push my aerobic capacity much. Lots of burn, lots of pain, but at sub-3 mins it doesn’t push your VO2Max enough to be useful. Good for footspeed and coordination, etc…try it, you’ll like it! (Actually you’ll probably hate it, but it works for me!)

rdaguirre,

There are many people who could help you out more than me. But I am sort of in your predicament. I have been racing tris since 1999 though. I am a fairly strong cyclist and a decent swimmer. I am not a bad runner, but I certainly lose a lot of places as soon as my feet touch the ground. In the past few years my race plan has been something like this:

swim straight and steady and try not to latch on to too many people as I probably seim faster than them anyhow. Hammer on the bike and get as far away from as many people as possible. Hang on for dear life on the run and try and limit the number of 35-39 people go by.

This year I have been running a lot more. But what I have found is that despite my better running base, I still struggle on the run. I think this might be that I haven’t dedicated near enough time on the bike this year. I can still hammer out a respectable bike time, but then to get off and run is hard. So there is a balance there somwhere that probably requires offseason focus.

Lately I have been training what I have begun to call “The Dave Experience.” This is a 30 mile ride, followed by a 5 mile trail run (being led my a guy who completely outclasses me in running), and then a 20 minute swim. It is a great workout. The key is that there is someone there pushing me.

Good Luck,
Bernie

rda,

 As a new triathlete you'll find that there are three components that you will really need to focus on with your training in each discipline: 
  1. Enough mileage
  2. Enough intensity
  3. The right kind of intensity at the right time of year (peridoization)

For long term development, your focus is in two areas (in this order):

1) Increasing your mileage.

 -You will find it VERY difficult to make any great gains running only 2-3 days a week.  Because of the nature of running being an impact sport, your wokouts will likely end because your legs are beat up, not because you are too tired to run any further.  In the pool or on the bike, you can push for several hours in a single workout.  You simply can't do that as a runner.  Therefore, you must try to get in many shorter runs.   

 -I recommend ONE run a week that is as far as you can reasonably handle without needing more than a day to recover from.  The rest will be anywhere from 15-45 minutes.  A goal of 5-6 runs a week is, IMO, ideal for most struggling runners.  This could mean you simply run 45 minutes once and then 5 15 minute runs where ever you can squeeze them in.  The runs should be relatively easy (but not a lollygag).  I have had great success doing this myself and with the athletes I've advised.  In addition I've heard of great successes from coach Brian Stover and Mitch Gold giving the same recommendations to triathletes. 

2) Increasing your lactate threshold

 -This is done through LONG sustained efforts, not short fast intervals.  Once you have pushed yourself as far as you are willing to spend the time doing (as a triathlete, TIME will be your limiting factor, not ability) then you want to gradually begin trading in those easy efforts for harder long efforts.  You may get to 2 hours a week.....3 hours.....5 hours....whatever you set for yourself (I recommend *most* people a minimum goal of 3 1/2 - 5 hours of running a week.  But if it's shorter due to life constraints, then that is what you have to work with).  These long efforts should be at a pace that you think you can run in a one hour race.  It will most likely be about 25-30 seconds a mile slower than your 5K race pace.  The efforts can extend up to one conitnuous 40 minute run (plus warmup and cool down) or be broken up into intervals with a 6/1 work:rest ratio (6 minutes hard, 1 minute jog).  Shoot for a minimum of 20 minutes in one workout and a maximum (once you *gradually* build to it) of 60 minutes a week. 

For short term development, your focus will be in these areas:

1) V02max intervals

 -These are intervals that last 3-4 minutes in length with 2-3 minute jog in between.  The total workout (the fast parts) should be a minimum of 18 minutes (untalented 14 year old girls) and a maximum of 28 minutes (very talented collegiate runners).  This will raise the amount of oxygen your body can take in during a race. 

 -This workout is VERY stressful and has great short term benefits.  However, everytime you do this workout you will be sacrificing potetential long term benefits that occur when training at longer/lower intensities.  I recommend doing these for periods of 4-12 weeks at a time and for no more than 24 weeks total out of the year.   

2) Shorter, faster intervals with longer rest.

 - These will be intervals of 30-90 seconds in duration with double the amount of rest.  A workout should consist of between 6-12 minutes of fast running.  This will help improve the neuromuscular component of running (like a boxer hitting a heavy bag....he learns to punch quicker, harder, and more efficiently). 

 - This can be done as a second workout during the week in conjunction with your V02max workout. 

3) Hills

 -Similar to the short, fast intervals.  You can do these in place of those or as a thrid workout during the week.  It will take time to see which kinds of workouts you respnd better to. 

Notes about periodization:

I prefer to 1st build an endurance base, 2nd work on lactate threshold, and then 3rd build speed through hills and intervals. It’s a really good idea to run the longer fast efforts 6-9 months out of the year and even carry them well into your “speed phase.” Once you get comfortable with these you can also work in some hills as a second workout each week.

To answer your question:

If you want to get faster in ONE month, then you are talking about short term improvement. You will benefit more from doing those workouts. However, on a year to year basis you need to spend the BULK of your time training from the long term list.

For more info, see the link below.

This is very helpful. Thanks! The more I talk to people the more I realize that taking 10 years off from running means a couple of years getting back into the form I once had as a much younger (and childless) runner who did nothing but run. Now with two other disciplines to master and much less time, the challenge is greater. As has been said many times on this forum, however, one of the great things about triathlons is the mental challenge (and joy) of juggling different things. I do see that it will take more committment to longer runs over the next year to bring up my running pace. I have only 3 more races this year, and then I’m going to turn my attention to a running focused fall and winter, with shorter rides and swims to recover. I live in southern Ontario so the winters are relatively mild and one can run outdoors for all but a few weeks of the year. I stocked up on proper winter running gear when the sales were on this spring, so I’m prepared. I also have access to state of the art treadmills at my gym, though these are no comparison to running outdoors.

Good news is I had a fabulously strong (for me!) tempo run yesterday–24 minutes of hard effort sandwiched inside 50 minutes of mixed easy flats and some hills. The best run I’ve had all year. This is good news with one of my two peak races coming up in two weeks.

Hi Barry,

I wanted to send you an update on my running, since you were so kind a few months ago to offer detailed advice. After doing my last sprint tri of the season (Aug 11), I embarked on a two month run focus using much of what you suggested. I began my reducing my cycling and swimming to 2 workouts a week each.

I did keep my runs to 3 days a week, but included a long weekend run that has now stretched to 130-145 minutes. I incorporate hills on this and my other two runs, which are tempo runs of 45-65 minutes. I have vastly increased my base and can do these efforts now fairly easily.

Meanwhile I signed up for my fist 1/2 marathon; my longest race previously was 10k, and that 13 years ago (I’m 46). Since I took up running again 15 months ago, my longest race was 5 miles. For the half, I was expecting to do it in about 210, but I came in at 155, and ran with the 145 pacer all the way to the 10 mile point, when the pounding started to get to me a bit and I eased off to finish comfortably.

I’m very pleased with my performance and thank you again for the tips. As the cold approaches here in southern Ontario, I am looking forward to further building my base over the winter and emerging in the spring ready for the local series of 5 and 10ks before my first tri, which will be in June.

R

Hey, congrats to you. I’m glad it worked out for you. Just think what you could do if you add just three more easy 15-20 minute runs a week!

; ^ )

Let me know how the half goes.

Well, I have to throw my expereince in, since it is totally different than others. I am 50 and have never run fast.
I average so far this year 12 miles a week, all LSD running cross country. I only open it up only in races.
(And for the middle of the season I could do zero running training because of an injury)
Now, for shorter stuff, my experience has been my lungs gave out before my legs are ever an issue. Now, for longer
stuff, different opinion, but you are asking about sprint tri. So, one year ago I started swimming 5 days a week with masters.
It is the most intense (ones choice) workouts I have ever done, and with NO pounding on the legs. Ever since I started swimming
5 days a week, my running has improved. I got a BQ time. I just did a half marathon with a 6:45 pace.

So, if I have a choice between taking the risk of messing my knees up trying to do more running, vs the results I am getting
doing more swimming, well, I know what I will continue to do. And, being a FOP swimming makes the rest of the race much more fun.

Dave

You have already seen good responses from some very qualified people, but something you said in your original post made me want to offer a comment. Based on my experience, I suggest you not expect to work on developing your speed for 10K and shorter when your legs are sore and tired from a ride the day before. I find it much easier to run directly after a hard bike ride as part of a brick than the day after. I use that day for swimming or, usually, a recovery day. I’m quite a bit older than you, so I may feel the “delayed” effects more, but my legs need rest on the day after hard riding of, say, 50 miles or more.
The other time to work on your running, of course, is when your legs are fresh.

This is very interesting to me. Do you think your running improved because the swimming intensity gave you a larger aerobic engine? Was the improvement dramatic?

I have certainly realized the aerobic benefit of hard swimming and cycling since I took up tris 18 months ago, but the running discipline seemed to me to require practice at running, i.e. that the carryover from other disciplines was negligible.

I’m involved in triathlon not because I will ever win or “podium,” though I’m usually in the top ten of my age group in my races. I’m in it because I like the way it makes me feel. Grooovy baby! Young. Vital. Alive.

Thanks for weighing in on my post… Replies welcome.