Timberman RR/long/pics of pros/pwr data/whining etc

Short verson
33:xx
2:30:xx
1:45:xx
4:55:xx

Long version
My parents took the kids early friday am so the wife and I got on the road early and drove across VT to NH. Went out to Gunstock . Operation was totally impressive, KJ has every detail covered. Registered and then checked out the race site and tried to drive the bike course. Got kinda lost but saw most of it. It was raining very hard on and off, weather report for the weekend was sketchy at best. Went to the “champions dinner” on friday night as my wife wanted to hear Chrissie Wllington speak. As we were getting food she was right behind us. She is super nice and really went out of her way to stand there and chat and be nice. Can’t say enough how genuinely nice she was. Completely awesome.

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Her speech was awesome

Lovato’s speech was great as well, that dude may have a future in stand up

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Went back to town and watched the Yankees crush the Red Socks much to the dismay of all the biker dudes in the bar.

Went down to the sprint with Jenny early. My sister and I were thinking "I wonder if there will be anywhere to get coffee. Remember how I mentioned that KJ had covered the details?

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Check out these really cool bike support cycles

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The man himself

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Jenny did awesome. It was her second ever tri. First time after learning to freestyle this winter and first time racing, third time ever riding outside with bike shoes and pedals. She pretty much crushed it.

Happy at the finish

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Even after the sprint there was a beer garden margarita tent with live music. Yep at 8:30 in the morning. Like I said, the details were covered.

Went out to dinner with some of the boys Saturday night. Yoda, Kdw, Me and ML

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Hung out and watched the Red Socks MURDER the Yankees…much to the great satisfaction of all the biker dudes in the bar.

Left the hotel at 5. About 2 miles from transition ran into a huge dead stop traffic jam. Usually people exaggerate how bad traffic is…not in this case. We did manage to get one of the last few parking spots. Still had a ton o time as there was a delay to the start becuase of a traffic accident out on the bike course.

Was very lazily making my way over to the swim start when I realized that they had started. My wave was all in the water except for me. Crap. Still had about 3 minutes when I got into the water as there was a long delay between the older men/women and the first 35-39 men.

Swim was uneventful. Found some feet and sat there. Only issue was that the guy would pull a scissor kick thing when he sighted. Oh well. Rough at the start and then spread out. Used my patented “just wait for it to be over” technique. Used very little energy on the swim. Sorry to that older lady that both the guy I was drafting off of and I swan over the top of. By the time I realized what was happening it was over. Hit the mat in 33 and change, perfect. On the long run into T1

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Had no intention of using the strippers. For whatever reason it seemed like a good idea when I got there. Wasted time doing it and managed to have a nasty cramp in my right calf. Limped away, very weird but was not a factor later on.

Bike was not very crowded at all. Did not see an official all day but did not see anyone drafting either. Passed people steadily but never too much traffic. Got passed by a guy in my AG on the hills around mile 10. Yo Yo’d with him for a while and then he got away til the start of the run. Felt like I was taking it really easy but as no one was passing me figurered that was a good thing. It was getting hot and I was thinking about the “find oppurtunities to do less work” thing on the bike gears chart. Was really easy to see the watts on my new Garmin 310. Had it set to display only watts and had it on the underside of my writst. Big display right out at the end of the bars. Thing is a really cool toy.

I felt good so I pushed a little harder on the second half. The ride went by very quickly. It is certainly not a fast bike course. Pretty big hills, lots of false flats and too many turns. I figurered after I melted later on the run that I must have overcooked the watts on the bike. Nope. That was not the problem.

Duration: 2:30:57
Work: 2151 kJ
TSS: 156.1 (intensity factor 0.788)
Norm Power: 248
VI: 1.04
Distance: 55.579 mi
Elevation Gain: 5219 ft
Elevation Loss: 5189 ft
Grade: 0.0 % (7 ft)
Min Max Avg
Power: 0 858 238 watts
Heart Rate: 143 182 165 bpm
Cadence: 32 218 91 rpm
Speed: 0 50.5 22.1 mph

Really was pretty good bike execution. Was ready to get off the bike but not feeling too bad. We had all been expecting rain and clouds. It was clear and sunny and getting hot in a hurry. Looked at the watch and if I hit my goal of running 1:30 I would be in under 4:40. That went out the window in a hurry.

Off and running:

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About a mile into the run I saw Chrissie coming the other way finishing her first loop. Figurered that she would pass me. Then I was Potts on his second loop. That dude is a machine. I was running 7:15-7:30 and it felt like a stoopid easy pace. All was going well. It was getting hot so I fugurered I would try and “do no harm” on the first loop. Saw lots of EN folks, really nice to have the team out there, even when you are suffering. No one was really running all that fast . Running by the finish line at the end of the first loop was really demoralizing for me. Chrissie was a couple hundred yards behind me at that point and the crowd was loud. Really wanted to “accidentally” run down the finishing chute. I can usually play nice mental tricks with myself and keep it rolling. Nothing was really working and I started walking the aid stations. Sucked but I just did not care enough to suffer the needed amount. 7:30’s turned to 8:30’s. About that time I realized I had not peed all day which is really unusual for me. Drank a bunch of water at the next few stations and then kinda made myself go. Very dark yellow, not good at all. Just kinda limped it in from there. Got passed by a Kdw and Dev with about a mile to go. Did not really matter that they started 20 minutes behind me I decided to try and hang on for dear life. Had a decent closing mile. Kdw Dev and I crossed the line within seconds of each other. I think Dev was trying to ruin his finishers photo. I would have done better on the run but Kyle took 2 waters at the last aid station and then knocked all the rest of the cups out of the volunteers hands :wink:

Felt near death at the finish. Almost passed out. Sat in the lake for a while and I was ok. Not really happy about crap run execution. Here is the run file.

Duration: 1:45:50
rTSS: 144 (0.853)
NGP: 7:33 (213.3 m/min)
Distance: 13.315 mi
Elevation Gain: 3193 ft
Elevation Loss: 3171 ft
Grade: 0.0 % (22 ft)
Min Max Avg
Heart Rate: 125 185 161 bpm
Speed: 0.9 14.9 7.6 mph
Pace 4:01 64:22 7:56 min/mi
Altitude: 493 706 575 ft

7:21
7:23
7:16
7:30
7:35
7:31
7:50
8:24
8:35
8:35
8:30
9:39
7:24

Well my goal for the year was to run 1:30 off the bike. That did not come close to happening. Granted sunday was not a PR day with the heat and humidity but I basically just buggered it. Nutrition was fine. Maybe I needed some more water but I was really OK. Needed some more suckitupituide and did not have it to draw on. I knew that I was gonna be pissed at myself when I was walking out there just did not care quite enough to keep rolling. As many of you know once you give in a little it gets easier and easier to keep walking.

Here are some folks who know nothing about that:

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BTW 3:51 is freakin crazy. In his speech at the line he said that he was gonna shut it down as he had a good lead and he has some big races coming up but it was so hot he figurered if he ran fast it would be over sooner. Uhhh OK.

Had a few drinks with Kdw, ML and Yoda in the beer tent. Really is a cool race. My only suggestion for KJ is to have the beer garden on an elevated platform over looking the finish line. Awesome race.

Went up to the Timberfest party Lobsterfest thing. It was pouring so the firewooks/smores/live music outside party thing was a bust. Went back to the same place and watched the Yankees beat the Red Sox with a bunch of boston tri folks, so at least that worked out .

Great weekend and think I will go back next year and get revenge on the run course

Great RR Chris. As always, pleasure hanging w/ you and the crew.

Shame we have to suffer thru that race thing there in the middle part. I really much prefer the before and after.

Nice report.

165 avg HR on the bike? That is a mind boggling number to me (I mean for me I would do that kind of avg HR for an Olympic bike leg, maybe like 168). What kind of HR would you do for an olympic bike?

Just curious if this is a typical HR for a mid 30s guy to hold for a HM bike (assuming max HR in the range of 190 - 195). I am low tech and did not get averages but I would guess my average HR was about 150 and I know I did not go over 163 the whole way. If I go harder than that my legs are dead (they did not have much for the run even at 150 avg).

I would love to get one of those power meters and see the kind of data you have to analyze. Thanks for sharing it is very interesting to see a race by the numbers.

Just started wearing a hr strap again a couple of weeks ago when I got the new garmin. Not sure about an olympic bike leg, I will tell you after Lake George. I came through the end of a stand alone mary one time with a hr of 205 and have seen as high as 207.

Sounds like you have a pretty high maximum, puts your numbers in context compared to mine (I feel like less of a wuss). Interesting how everyones engine runs at different RPMS.

Did I get this straight??? >5000 feet elevation gain on the bike and >3000 on the run? Seems high for both, but I could be wrong. I could swear that the run was no more than 500-600 feet total elevation gain based on how high we got above the lake , but would be glad to be proven that it was 3000. On the bike I was shocked tht the totals came in much over 3000, but again, glad to be proven that it was >5000!

Yoda,

Here’s my file, fwiw:

Before flatting:
Duration: 55:08
Work: 704 kJ
TSS: 58.3 (intensity factor 0.796)
Norm Power: 231
VI: 1.09
Distance: 21.506 mi
Min Max Avg
Power: 0 623 213 watts
Cadence: 45 191 99 rpm
Speed: 6.2 43.2 23.4 mph
Pace 1:23 9:45 2:34 min/mi

After fixing flat:
Duration: 1:27:50
Work: 1087 kJ
TSS: 84.7 (intensity factor 0.761)
Norm Power: 221
VI: 1.07
Distance: 34.593 mi
Min Max Avg
Power: 0 661 206 watts
Cadence: 52 218 103 rpm
Speed: 8.2 52.3 23.6 mph
Pace 1:09 7:19 2:33 min/mi

Entire workout (209 watts):
Duration: 2:22:59 (2:28:34)
Work: 1791 kJ
TSS: 143.1 (intensity factor 0.775)
Norm Power: 225
VI: 1.08
Distance: 56.106 mi
Min Max Avg
Power: 0 661 209 watts
Cadence: 45 218 101 rpm
Speed: 6.2 52.3 23.5 mph
Pace 1:09 9:45 2:33 min/mi

I don’t really go by HR on the bike, it’s sort of a “gee, that’s interesting” sort of metric.
My overall avg hr for the day was 148, max 181 (that was a glitch, I don’t think I ever pushed remotely that hard. It was - during the swim.)
S - avg 142
B - avg 145/128/142 (before/during/after changing the flat)
R - avg high 150s first lap/mid 150’s second lap (I slowed down)

Everybody’s HR #'s are unique to them, it’s not even necessarily a function of age (altho younger dudes are typically higher than older ones)
Tetsuoni is 2 yrs older than me, similar size (now :wink: and his HR #'s are always WAY higher than mine for a given effort/speed. It is what it is.

Did I get this straight??? >5000 feet elevation gain on the bike and >3000 on the run? Seems high for both, but I could be wrong. I could swear that the run was no more than 500-600 feet total elevation gain based on how high we got above the lake , but would be glad to be proven that it was 3000. On the bike I was shocked tht the totals came in much over 3000, but again, glad to be proven that it was >5000!
That’s the non-corrected GPS derived elevation I’m guessing. Remember, that ± 33feet accuracy is a sphere, not a circle. :slight_smile:

I generally see the elevation chopped in half after running it through the correction routines in WKO+ ( which takes the GPS coords to lookup USGS known elevation ). Found under the ‘edit’ menus.

Great narrative in the RR here! I’ve done one of KJ’s races before and this makes me want to do more. :slight_smile:

Wow. How does tiny Dev and his supposed ST approved postion need so many more watts to ride slower?
213 Watts would make jens and aztec (do these guys even post here anymore) proud, that is some awesome efficiency.

You get an Energy Star rating
Dev is cash for clunkers material - gas guzzler

Dev - ca$h for clunkers, that’s PERFECT. Fits him to a T.

Normalized Power - how hard you work
Average Power - how fast you go

Avg for the total ride was 209 (NP of 225). VI a little high for my liking, but, it’s a hilly and turny course, so whatever.

Sounds like you have a pretty high maximum, puts your numbers in context compared to mine (I feel like less of a wuss). Interesting how everyones engine runs at different RPMS.

Not to worry … my MAX on the bike is close to 165. Personally … I think all the HR numbers have limited usefulness. At the danger of you guys screaming at me … and with all due respect to all the fancy toys (of which I have none) … useless or brilliant … don’t they take a bit of the fun out of a race when you just want to go as you feel?

I ran the ground control correction on the run data but did not touch the bike data. Even when you run the corrections GPS elevation numbers always seem high to me but I never have anything “accurate” to check them against.

Remember that the total elevation gain is cumulative climbing. So it is saying that we climbed about 1500 feet each loop. Or 2 500 foot hills, a 300 and a 200 footer. I agree that even this still seems kind of more than we actually climbed.

“don’t they take a bit of the fun out of a race when you just want to go as you feel?”

I don’t think we are allowed to scream at the guy who destroys the rest of the 40-44 AG and was the first master overall…nicely done. I assume you have been doing tris for a long time? I feel like the more experienced I get, the less I need the toys as they serve mostly to protect me from my own crazy mid-race ideas of grandeur.

PS I thought you said you didn’t do well in the heat?

Wow. How does tiny Dev and his supposed ST approved postion need so many more watts to ride slower?
213 Watts would make jens and aztec (do these guys even post here anymore) proud, that is some awesome efficiency.

You get an Energy Star rating
Dev is cash for clunkers material - gas guzzler

Hard to compare the two for a few reasons but I believe they use different PMs (PT vs SRM) and SRMs are notorious for reading slightly higher power.

However, based on Dev’s description of how he rode, I will take a wild guess and say that his VI was actually higher than ML’s which is certainly something to consider. Chris rode amazingly steady for a course that appears (at least on paper) to be relatively hilly!!

Thanks, Chris

Chris, I know that wasn’t quite the run you were hoping but congrats either way. There are definitely some positives to take away from this race and hopefully you learn from the negatives. Congrats and I enjoyed reading the report and all of the banter between you, ML, Dev, et al.

Just curious, what was your power cap or target for the hills? An IF of .79 seems pretty conservative but probably smart in that heat and humidity.

Thanks, Chris

Chris,

Was shooting for .83 and using 315 as a “hard” cap for climbing. This plan was based upon your input in the past BTW.

The long sections of false flats down on the way out and false flats up on the way back lead to the low IF. I was trying to sit on 280 on the false flats on the way back which felt a little dangerous but ended up not balancing out the soft pedaling on the way out. Not sure if you know the course but it felt like there was 20 miles of false flats out there by the Nascar track.

I don’t think we are allowed to scream at the guy who destroys the rest of the 40-44 AG and was the first master overall…nicely done. I assume you have been doing tris for a long time? I feel like the more experienced I get, the less I need the toys as they serve mostly to protect me from my own crazy mid-race ideas of grandeur.

PS I thought you said you didn’t do well in the heat?

Thanks, kdw. You know … it may be a bit both. I have been doing Tris for over 25yr … in good shape (i.e., this year), bad shape, or just plain ugly shape … and perhaps the many blow-ups that I had particularly during my early years caused my genome to mutate and prevent me from doing at least the worst mistakes. Maybe it reduced my max heart rate to save me from myself. Or … and perhaps closer to the truth … you could say that I just got lucky yesterday and it is pretty easy for me to dismiss the toys. Anyways, I do feel toy envy every time I am in the transition area and look at the racked bikes … but once on the course, I am so happy that I don’t even have a watch or bike computer to deal with (actually, I had a watch on Sun b/c my wife didn’t come with me to the swim start and I was afraid I would miss the start).

My apologies for handling the heat well on Sun :slight_smile: … I used to get fried in the heat like a fresh clam out of the shell … but it appears that the much greater salt content in Infinit together with more calories and with a weekly training run to the beach have made me a bit more resilient.

Congrats on your own race! You looked very good on the run! Your name was actually called at the awards ceremony (I was removed from 40-44). You may want to check whether they can send you the award (not sure what it was).

Chris,

Was shooting for .83 and using 315 as a “hard” cap for climbing. This plan was based upon your input in the past BTW.

The long sections of false flats down on the way out and false flats up on the way back lead to the low IF. I was trying to sit on 280 on the false flats on the way back which felt a little dangerous but ended up not balancing out the soft pedaling on the way out. Not sure if you know the course but it felt like there was 20 miles of false flats out there by the Nascar track.

Got it. I don’t know the course at all so that’s one reason why I’m asking.

Another question: Given your comment above, do you find it more difficult to hit your target power on the false (uphill) flats? I ask because I find it more difficult myself. For some reason I have a tendency to struggle to hit my target power on a ~1% grade vs a ~-1% grade. IOW, i tend to put out slightly less power than my target on a 1% grade vs slightly higher power than my target on a -1% grade. It’s clearly a cadence issue with me. Keep in mind, my target power is typically the same for these two situations. Like the EN crew, I really only have 3 “gears.” Gear 1: anything that’s remotely flat; Gear 2: short/steep climbs; Gear 3: Long climbs.

Like I said in another post, you rode amazingly steady for what appears to be a relatively hilly course. Given the heat and humidity on that day, it’s hard to do good post-race analysis. I personally struggle more in HIMs since they are never A races for me. I’m never really mentally ready to suffer too bad for something that’s not top priority. I like to save that for the big one. :slight_smile:

Thanks, Chris

Another question: Given your comment above, do you find it more difficult to hit your target power on the false (uphill) flats? I ask because I find it more difficult myself. For some reason I have a tendency to struggle to hit my target power on a ~1% grade vs a ~-1% grade. IOW, i tend to put out slightly less power than my target on a 1% grade vs slightly higher power than my target on a -1% grade.

I have the opposite issue and find it easier to sit on a number going up. When it is slightly down hill I tend to get a bit lazy and let the power drop.