Tim Carlson's article on the homepage "The first to run sub-3 in Kona"

I enjoyed Tim’s article, however it raises a question that perhaps a 1981 racer out there can answer…
Here’s the results that are cited:
http://www.slowtwitch.com/articles/images/5/5355-medium_ST%25252520300%252525201981%25252520IMH%25252520results%25252520splits%25252520w%25252520topper.jpg
Times are:
1:49:26, 7:11:17, 2:59:48
For a total of 13:00:31
However…
The above only adds up to 12:00:31
Is one of the three splits short by an hour, or is the final time an hour high?
I mentioned this to Dan, he’ll look into it, but 28 years ago he was way up the road, so nobody came by him running sub 7s.
Perhaps there’s someone out there who can explain the above, hopefully without saying Kasbohm ran 3:59:48?

I don’t see transitions included there. Could it be he spent an hour in transitions?
The article describes the guy finding his bike rack turned over and his bike damaged and then a couple of discussions with a few different people…that could easily have been a 30 minute transition just from the pieces that were described.

I don’t see transitions included there. Could it be he spent an hour in transitions?
The article describes the guy finding his bike rack turned over and his bike damaged and then a couple of discussions with a few different people…that could easily have been a 30 minute transition just from the pieces that were described.
This was 1981. They didn’t time transitions. Three splits was it.

I don’t see transitions included there. Could it be he spent an hour in transitions?
The article describes the guy finding his bike rack turned over and his bike damaged and then a couple of discussions with a few different people…that could easily have been a 30 minute transition just from the pieces that were described.
This was 1981. They didn’t time transitions. Three splits was it.

Exactly my point…unless they were also not included in the final time either?

Wow. I quickly added up some of the other splits on the page and they match the final times (although some are off by several seconds) so it’s not missing transition times. Looks like an error in the results.

Kudos to Tim for having the passion about IM to detail this guy’s story. I don’t think we’ve read the conclusion yet. :slight_smile:

Another interesting point is that with 47 miles left on the bike he said he was told he was 74th. After passing people on the bike and the run, he finished 116. That doesn’t make too much sense.

If he was 74th at the bike a total time of 12 hours would be more like it. And from the timeline that is in the article we could conclude that he finished around 7pm, since he talked about starting the run at 4pm and having a split at 6:04.

It looks like the final time might be the wrong time.

Tiago

it’s a mystery. i enjoyed the article very much (it’s right up tim’s alley), and now i get to enjoy it even more, as we try to unravel this thing.

either he ran a 3:59, not a 2:59, or he finished in 12hr, not 13hr. or, there’s some other explanation. i think this would be a good candidate for “cold case.”

i was at that race, i finished in 11:20-something, so it all happened behind me. there were 326 starters, enough to lose track of where everyone was, but it was still intimate. i sat in a hot tub with gary hooker and dave spangler before the race, and dave told me how i needn’t worry about who was going to win, his buddy gary was going to take care of that. and gary did come pretty close, finishing inside the top 10, and he ran a 3:07.

i knew absolutely no one in the race except those i met at the race. but there were some big personalities and colorful guys. it was hard to miss tom boughey, who won the swim and finished 4th overall. he was a big boy, in the mold of tom gallagher and rob mackle. and there was john howard. but nobody else was “known” really. it was the first time for me, molina, tinley, monty, and almost everyone in the race for that matter.

i think the women’s winner came in around 12-flat. so if our boy came in an hour earlier, then he’d have finished right around the top woman. linda sweeney i think it was, who was, i believe, thom hunt’s girlfriend at the time.

i believe bob babbitt was in the race, it would have been his second hawaiian ironman, but how do you ask a guy whose done about 15 hawaiian ironmans, "hey, do remember a guy blowing by you at 6:45 pace, 28 years ago?

that said, if anyone can get to the bottom of it, it’s the folks on this forum :wink:

i believe bob babbitt was in the race, it would have been his second hawaiian ironman, but how do you ask a guy whose done about 15 hawaiian ironmans, "hey, do remember a guy blowing by you at 6:45 pace, 28 years ago?

Dan,

I hope that Bob chimes in( Does he have an ST account?). As strange as that sounds, that is the kind of factoid that Bob remembers. He’s amazing with that kind of stuff.

i sat in a hot tub with gary hooker and dave spangler…
you forgot to mention long don silver. the set-up could not be complete without him.

There is now an extra blurb at the bottom of the page.

H

The guy who came in 110th place had a time of 12:51:58, so Kasbohm’s time of 13:00:31 and place of 116 are most likely correct.

"I was pretty sure it was just past the 16-mile mark and I was about 2:04 into the run. I told him ‘Thanks a lot’ I had to think about it, but I figured I was down to about 56 minutes coming back to break three hours.”

So that means he covered 10.2 miles in 56 minutes, for an average speed of 10.95 mph. Up until that point he was running just under 8 mph.

Looking at the whole picture, it’s pretty obvious Kasbohm didn’t run sub 3 hours. It’s like the guy who comes in 50th place who has a 100th place swim time, 100th place bike time and 1st place run time. You know the guy either cut the run course or only did one lap (albeit unintentionally), or in this case a timing error.