This is going to make a fun "60 Minutes" episode: more US human rights abuses

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) – Two Yemeni men say they were held in solitary confinement in secret, underground U.S. detention facilities in an unknown country and interrogated by masked men for more than 18 months without being charged or allowed any contact with the outside world, Amnesty International said Wednesday.

The report appeared to confirm long-standing allegations that the United States has held “secret detainees” in its war on terror, according to Amnesty and human rights lawyers.

“We fear that what we have heard from these two men is just one small part of the much broader picture of U.S. secret detentions around the world,” said Sharon Critoph, a researcher at Amnesty International who interviewed the men in Yemen.

In its report, Amnesty urged the United States to provide details about these and other prisoners.

“The U.S. authorities must disclose the identities of all people who are being held in secret, where they’re being held, and open these places up to international scrutiny,” Critoph said.

U.S. officials have previously denied allegations of secret detention facilities, saying they hold terror suspects only at the U.S. Naval base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In June, U.S. officials denied a suggestion from the U.N.'s special expert on torture, Manfred Nowak, that some undeclared holding areas could include American ships cruising international waters. Others have suggested “high-value” detainees could be held secretly in Diego Garcia, a British-held island in the Indian Ocean that the United States rents as a strategic military base.

Lawyers who represent detainees at Guantanamo have long believed that the CIA or other U.S. government agencies have used clandestine jails for terror suspects.

“The fact that there are underground CIA facilities somewhere where people are being tortured has been known for a while,” said Michael Ratner of the U.S. Center for Constitutional Rights in New York City.

Amnesty interviewed Salah Nasser Salim Ali and Muhammad Faraj Ahmed Bashmilah in a jail in Yemen in late June. The group also spoke to a Yemeni government official who said the men were being held in that country only because it was a condition of their release from U.S. custody.

Salah told the rights group that he was originally detained in Indonesia in August 2003 and then flown several days later to Jordan; Muhammad said he was detained in Jordan in October 2003 while on a trip to visit his mother.

Both men claimed they were tortured by Jordanian intelligence agents for four days and then flown to what they believe were underground jails in an unknown location.

Once there, they were held in solitary confinement for more than 18 months, interrogated daily by U.S. guards who dressed “like Ninjas” and blared Western music all day and night. No charges were ever filed against them, they said.

The men said their first jail was underground, surrounded by high walls and that it took more than 4 hours to fly there from Jordan. After six to eight months they were transferred to a modern prison run by U.S. officials a three-hour plane journey away that also appeared to be underground.

“These men were stripped of their dignity, at times beaten, spat on, deprived of sleep and threatened with sexual abuse and electric shocks,” William F. Schulz, executive director of Amnesty International USA , said in a statement. “Their testimony will hopefully shed light on U.S. detention centers just as sinister, yet less well-known, than Guantanamo.”

It’s always better to trust terrorists who are trained to lie and divert attention than it is the US Government.

It’s always better to trust terrorists who are trained to lie and divert attention than it is the US Government.
So it is US policy to release from US custody terrorists who are trained to lie?

Nice try… next

Nice try… next
What does that mean?

Your question regarding US Policy has nothing to do with point that the media and the left seem to trust terroists more than the US Gov.

Mop seems to buy it hook line and sinker and the AP article was written as if the two guys in question were perfect angles. There is no mention of why they were detained or what they might have done. And the only clue to the fact that these are bad guys comes better than half wya through the article when it mentions that Amnesty International interview them in jail. Then you factor in that AI did the interview and got the info and more lights should go off in your head. But the whole thing is presented to us on a platter as if the US is worse than the terrorists.

Hate America First!

#1 Article states that these two were released from US custody.
#2 You posit that the two are terrorists who are trained to lie.

Conclusion: you believe that US policy is to release lying terrorists from US custody.

I don’t care if they were angels (I’m pretty sure they weren’t angles, unless they were obtuse?) or not. I care that our government claims that they aren’t doing this type of thing when everyone knows that they are.

If you are going to kidnap people, torture people, kill w/o trials, whatever, fine…just make it policy so that everyone knows what is happening. Don’t say it isn’t happening, or twist words to justify this administration’s definition of is is. Sure, some will be outraged that we condone such things but thats fine–that is what elections are for. Personally I don’t think most Americans will give a shit–they are too concerned with getting their Happy Meal at Mickey Ds & getting home in time to watch CSI.

I’m personally outraged that the government lies to its citizens and nobody is doing anything about it. On one side you have the vast majority who are blissfully ignorant or don’t care, who along with the apocalyptic justifiers who scream “America Hater” at whoever catches/accuses Bush Co. of doing something they shouldn’t, makeup the party in power. The Dems are too weak to do anything or raise a stink as they have no answer for the Repubs who wrapped themselves in the American flag of patriotism first.

Its just sad, that the next 10 years are going to be spent apologizing to the world for this administration’s lies.

This article is stupid. I don’t know if anything in it is true, but it certainly offers zero evidence of anything. Two guys in Yemeni prison say they were detained at some time, flown somewhere, and held for a long time. I particularly like the line that says that all the “secret” prisons should be opened up for inspection. Talk about making a demand you know can’t be met, and setting it up so it’ll sound like you’re being stonewalled when it isn’t met. What a load of crap. Secret prisons with ninja guards? “It’s a well known fact that the CIA has secret detainment facilities.” Not so much a secret then is it? I live on a Navy ship that operates in international waters, and they don’t turn us into prison barges. We have actual work to do.

As for your question about letting go lying terrorists,…yes, we do that sometimes. If we can’t make charges stick, we have to let them go. I thought that’s what you guys wanted. Now you have an issue with us letting bad guys go once in awhile?

#1 Article states that these two were released from US custody.
#2 You posit that the two are terrorists who are trained to lie.

Conclusion: you believe that US policy is to release lying terrorists from US custody.

You still don’t get it do you? Maybe just maybe they were NEVER IN US custody and maybe they used their training and LIED that they were in some secret camp.

I know it is a shocker to the hate America first crowd, but it just might be true.

except in the article it says that they are being detained in yemen as a condition of their release from u.s. custody.

moreover, how many stories like this, from varying sources, have to come out before we can come to the conclusion that there just might be something to them?