The Tsunami Donations Cock Fight- My Rant

One the other side AJFranke recent put up a vary nice post about Australias recent large donation to the Tsunami disaster. All was going well until someone got on his high horse to bash the US and defend Australia when no defense was needed. I have got to say it is disgusting, first that people have turned this into a political one upmanship game, when were are talking about real lives at stake. And secondly ( and a distant second at that) I am sick and tired of the US bashing no mater what we do.

One one hand we are bashed because we just freed 25 million Iraqis. Then when, by someone elses standards (UN mostly), we don’t give enough we are bashed again. When we help, were bashed for helping, if we don’t, we bashed for not helping. Frankly I am sick of it, because we can’t win.

This whole pissing contest over who gave what is out of whack. So the Aussies look great for a total donation of 1 Billion between, cash, low int loans, debt forgivance ect. And you know what, I applaud Australia for giving that much, the contribution is MASSIVE, and I am sure it is as much as Australia is able to contribute. But the problem the media (US and world) pushes that number and others, around while showing the US’s 350 Million cash contribution next to it, without going into any details on the Aussies contribution. Then they show it as a per capita and % of GDP to make the US look even worse. But you have to look far and wide to find out the rest of the story. Big donations that are not factored into the US’s $350M are the Naval fleet sitting off shore pumping out fresh water, flying med supplies, serving as a floating hospital. The 14,000 (I think that is the right number) troops on the ground helping out. The heavy and med duty air craft the US military is supplying. The Millions of pounds of food and water being donated by the US. The Medical supplies being donated. and most importantly the cash that people like me give out of our own back pockets because our country is set up so that not only do we have the freedom to choose to to make donations, but we have the ability to do so.

Sorry for the Rant

When we help, were bashed for helping, if we don’t, we bashed for not helping. Frankly I am sick of it, because we can’t win.

My brother-in-law is fond of the quote from the movie “Wargames,” about nuclear war. “The only way to win is not to play.” Maybe we should remove ourselves from the field, so to speak.

On a separate but related issue, what is our responsibility to South Asia, anyway? I am glad my nation is over there helping out, but it’s called CHARITY. These are voluntary donations. We should be applauded if we give $20 when our own country is running such a deficit, as should every country and individual who donates time or money to help others.

We didn’t play in afghanistan after the Soviets left, that didn’t work out too well…

We didn’t play in afghanistan after the Soviets left, that didn’t work out too well…

Really? Interesting analysis of the situation. I’d say that what we experienced was the result of our playing around in other areas, not our lack of involvement in Afghanistan.

FYI:

Congress on January 6 unanimously passed a bill (HR 241) that permits accelerated tax deductions for charitable cash donations made to assist victims of the recent tsunami. The legislation will now head to President Bush for his signature.

Specifically, the bill allows taxpayers to claim a tax deduction in tax year

2004 for donations made for tsunami disaster relief until January 31, 2005.

Under current law, taxpayers would have to wait until next year’s filing season to claim a tax deduction for tsunami-related gifts made after December 31, 2004. The proposal is limited to cash gifts made specifically for disaster relief.

Thanks Bill, I guess I’ll a few dimes back from my donation.

Still doesn’t change my opinion of the abuse we take

Let’s see: 1 Carrier Battle Group on station

           USS Bonhomme Richard on station 

           USNS Mercy and its thousand beds on the way and making all speed to get there 

           Numerous aircraft and helo support 

           Thousands of troops and aid workers on site 

           U.S. personnel taking on the most difficult and hardest tasks 

           We'll be giving a shitload of money and aid long after a lot of the others have went home 

           Tons upon tons of supplies being rushed to the hardest hit, and most Islamic, parts of the area 

           My airline (Northwest) is working with AmeriCares to fly hundreds of tons of supplies as we speak. 

           Millions and millions of dollars in private donations have already been raised. 

I like what we’re doing. Who cares about the naysayers? They don’t know shee-dop about the situation.

T.

“we just freed 25 million Iraqis”

Is that what we did? I think we freed their natural resources. Keep gulping the kool aid (to borrow a standard right-wing retort).

From the under-publicized U.S. AID website devoted to the tsunami relief effort, these paragraphs:

  • As of January 4, more than 13,000 U.S. military personnel were involved in providing relief support in the affected region. More than 1,400 of these are currently on the ground. With 20 ships and 75 aircraft, the U.S. military has provided a total of 610,000 lbs of relief supplies to the governments of Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Thailand, and other affected nations as of January 5. In addition, U.S. military assets continue to provide vital medical transport. In addition to transporting the injured to local hospitals in Sri Lanka, four HH-60 Blackhawk helicopters based in Colombo are conducting aerial assessments and delivering relief supplies into affected areas.

  • On January 5, the DOD reported that 28 cargo planes are flying transport missions in the affected areas. The U.S. military plans to dispatch additional aircraft to the area, four mortuary affairs teams to help recover human remains and identify victims, three civil affairs teams to help coordinate relief efforts, and engineering support teams to assist in assessing damaged infrastructure and in planning reconstruction. Two 10-person teams of military and civilian forensics specialists are in the region, ready to assist with victim recovery and identification.

(Courtesy Hugh Hewitt)

January 07, 2005, 8:10 a.m.
Angels with Rotary Wings
The U.S. Navy is saving lives in the wake of the Indian Ocean’s deadly tsunami.

By W. Thomas Smith Jr.

Almost before the crushing waters had receded from the Indian Ocean’s myriad shorelines, the 5,000 sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln were hauling line and firing-up its twin nuclear reactors in a mad dash to get their ship underway. Horrific reports were coming over the wire, followed by an immediate change in the Lincoln’s orders.

Thousands of lives had been lost in the December 26 tsunami that struck Indonesia and its neighbors, and the Lincoln’s crew — and those of its accompanying ships — knew that many more would perish unless they could get there in time to stem the rising death toll.

Pledges of money and rebuilding efforts are one thing. Immediate rescue and relief are another. And no force on earth was more capable of a real-time comprehensive response to such a disaster than the U.S. Navy.

Within hours, damage assessment teams were racing to Indonesia, Thailand, and Sri Lanka. And the Lincoln’s Carrier Strike Group (in port at Hong Kong at the time of the earthquake and subsequent tsunami) was proceeding to Indonesia at “best speed.” It was soon followed by the USS Bonhomme Richard Expeditionary Group (on-station just south of Guam).

Within days, nearly 50 helicopters were lifting off the decks of the first American battle group and thundering toward the stricken beaches. Around the clock, aircraft were up and U.S. ships were constantly moving in.

Today, nearly 100 U.S. Navy and Marine Corps helicopters are making the ship-to-shore circuit, delivering much needed supplies and evacuating the sickest and the most gravely injured. It is a massive U.S. Naval effort with the Lincoln as the centerpiece and the Richard as her right arm.

“No one on earth can provide this kind of thing with the kind of speed and numbers we can,” Capt. Dave Logsdon, a combat carrier pilot who currently serves as commander of the University of South Carolina’s Naval ROTC unit, says. “As horrible as it is for the victims on the ground, they will never forget what they must have felt when they first saw those relief helicopters coming in with the words ‘United States’ emblazoned on the side.”

Commander Ed Buclatin, spokesman for U.S. Naval Air Forces (totally some 4,000 aircraft), agrees. From his office at the U.S. Naval Base in San Diego, he tells NRO, “Obviously, our mission out there is to keep the sea lanes open. But in this case, the Abraham Lincoln changed its plans, was underway within hours and on-scene within days, which is a phenomenal task.”

According to Buclatin, the Lincoln could not have been better prepared for the new mission. “The Lincoln was deployed with two helicopter squadrons, which is the first time we’ve ever done that,” he says. “Typically, we deploy with one. But this was a test-bed deployment for trying out the capability of two squadrons: One for anti-submarine warfare, the other for anti-surface warfare. In the wake of this terrible disaster, we couldn’t have asked for a better time to conduct this two-squadron test.”

In recent days pundits have questioned whether or not such a massive rescue-and-relief operation might have left a hole in America’s defense posture in the western Pacific, and to a greater degree, globally. On the reverse, some have questioned whether current U.S. deployments in the war on terror have reduced humanitarian-assistance capabilities like those currently being rendered in the Indian Ocean.

At a Pentagon brief on Tuesday, Admiral Thomas B. Fargo — commander of all U.S. land, sea, and air forces in the Pacific and Indian Oceans — was asked specifically if relief operations might be limited because of combat operations in Afghanistan and Iraq.

“None whatsoever,” he said. “We had these assets in the Pacific, and we’re employing them for an array of other operations. And you know we have a certain capacity that we always maintain in the Pacific. So we haven’t had to detriment those capabilities in Afghanistan and Iraq.”

Saving lives is not new to the Abraham Lincoln, its accompanying vessels, or the Navy as a whole. According to Adm. Fargo, “We knew from our recent disaster response in the Philippines and our 1991 response to the cyclonic flooding in Bangladesh that immediate needs were going to be drinking water and a shelter and food and medical support. A key lesson from all of these events was the value of helicopter vertical lift.”

But it’s not just Naval aviators and aircrews who are saving lives. Other critical personnel include Navy doctors and medical corpsmen, rescue swimmers, cooks, bakers, firemen, engineers, deck hands, chaplains, anyone else who serves the various crews and helps sail the ships, as well as combat Marines now ashore, but not to fight.

Little known and often under-appreciated technologies are also saving lives. The Lincoln, for instance, is taking raw seawater and reprocessing it into some 400,000 gallons of fresh water for the victims ashore every day. In Michelle Malkin’s recent tribute to the Lincoln, she writes, “Sailors aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln have reportedly even stopped taking showers to make every last drop of fresh water available to tsunami survivors for drinking.”

The USS Abraham Lincoln — a Nimitz-class nuclear-powered aircraft carrier named for the 16th president of the United States — is best known as the ship which President George W. Bush landed on and announced the end of major combat operations in Iraq in May 2003. The ship has conducted a number of combat and humanitarian assistance operations since her commissioning on Veterans Day, 1989.

The USS Bonhomme Richard — an amphibious assault ship and namesake of Commodore John Paul Jones’s famous frigate in the American Revolution — is manned by over 1,100 sailors and capable of transporting nearly 1,900 Marines, along with their landing (sea) craft, helicopters, and Harrier jump-jets.

Both the USS Abraham Lincoln and the USS Bonhomme Richard are the flagships of their respective “groups,” which include cruisers, destroyers, submarines, and a variety of supporting vessels.

On Wednesday, the USNS Mercy set sail for the Indian Ocean. Another unique symbol of U.S. power, ingenuity, and humanity; the Mercy is a floating hospital (converted from a tanker) with 12 fully equipped operating rooms, several labs, radiological service capabilities, a cat scan, a pharmacy, and 1,000 hospital beds.

Only in — and from — America.

Not to say that America hasn’t done its part, I believe the outpouring of support has been amazing, from both the people here and even our government. However, as long as the United State stands as the World’s lone, “Superpower” and proclaims itself as the moral compass which every other nation should follow then it is going to get slammed when it is slow to provide help during Worldwide crises.

I’m pretty sure it’s an all or nothing situation, when you claim to be commiting a “humanitarian” operation in Iraq due allegedly solely to altruistic intent then it will be expected of the United States to provide help when other problems arise. I’m guessing you were one of the people that moaned about France, Russia and Germany not providing any help in Iraq, but now that America has been indicted due to the fact that much smaller nations are making much larger monetary donations than it is you decide to start crying about how no one appreciates us.

If George W. Bush wants us to be the global police then we have to be them 100% of the time, if he wants to admit that Iraq had nothing to do with “helping people” then I can see why you might be ranting.

“we just freed 25 million Iraqis”

Is that what we did? I think we freed their natural resources. Keep gulping the kool aid (to borrow a standard right-wing retort).

Yup your eyes didn’t fool you.

Question- So I am guessing since you imply in your statement above that you think the Iraqi people were much better off as was the world with a sensable and good person like Sadam Hussien in power?

I didn’t imply that the Iraqi people were better off under Hussien (I can’t even figure out how you read that into my post). I implied that something other than freeing the Iraqi people was our motive in going to war with Iraq.

Well, you are right about that. Bush is not really interested in freeing Iraq. He is interested in freeing the entire Middle East, and the rest of the world for that matter. Have you noticed how scared Bin Laden is of both the Iraq and the Palestinian elections? There is a reason.

Democracy continues its march around the world, uninterupted since 1980. Life is good.

Huh? Sorry, I don’t follow. Can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or serious.

I am being completely, 100 per cent serious. Bush is not playing small ball with things like getting insurance to cover an extra night in the hospital for new mothers. He is trying to change the world.

What is the alternative? Another life time of shuttle diplomacy and peace processes? Gee, that has worked so well so far.

I guess I am hijacking this thread, since the tsunami effort is not related. We are just trying to help people, along with other countries.

He’s certainly trying to change the world. No doubt about that.

The other thing about this, though, is that the stability of SE Asia is very important for Aus/NZ. So it makes sense for both countries to contribute what they can to help their neighbours out.

As for kicking the US, that is just the global sport du jour, I’m afraid. To be honest, it worries me a bit, because an isolationist US would create so many problems, a US with its attention turned inward, would effectively allow the Saddams/Osamas/Kim Jong Ils to do what they pleased. And none of us should be happy at that prospect.

UPDATE. According to Chuck Simmons’ Stingy List, private donations from the US have reached $503,884,912.

http://blog.simmins.org/2005/0....html