The Pledge of Allegiance

Subject: OUR FLAG!!!

I checked this out on the Urban Legend site and this is true! Makes you think ~

In light of the recent appeals court ruling in California, with respect to the Pledge of Allegiance, the following recollection from Senator John McCain is very appropriate:.

“The Pledge of Allegiance” - Senator John McCain
As you may know, I spent five and one half years as a prisoner of war during the Vietnam War. In the early years of our imprisonment, the NVA kept us in solitary confinement or two or three to a cell. In 1971 the NVA moved us from these conditions of isolation into large rooms with as many as 30 to 40 men to a room.

This was,as you can imagine, a wonderful change and was a direct result of the efforts of millions of Americans on behalf of a few hundred POWs 10,000 miles from home.

One of the men who moved into my room was a young man named Mike Christian.
Mike came from a small town near Selma, Alabama. **He didn’t wear a pair of shoes until he was 13 years old. At 17, he enlisted in the US Navy. He later earned a commission by going to Officer Training School. Then he became a Naval Flight Officer and was shot down and captured in 1967. **

Mike had a keen and deep appreciation of the opportunities this country and our military provide for people who want to work and want to succeed.

As part of the change in treatment, the Vietnamese allowed some prisoners to receive packages from home. In some of these packages were handkerchiefs, scarves and other items of clothing.

Mike got himself a bamboo needle. Over a period of a couple of months, he created an American flag and sewed it on the inside of his shirt.

Every afternoon, before we had a bowl of soup, we would hang Mike’s shirt on the wall of the cell and say the Pledge of Allegiance.

I know the Pledge of Allegiance may not seem the most important part of our day now, but I can assure you that in that stark cell it was indeed the most important and meaningful event.

One day the Vietnamese searched our cell, as they did periodically,and discovered Mike’s shirt with the flag sewn inside, and removed it.

That evening they returned, opened the door of the cell, and for the benefit of all of us, beat Mike Christian severely for the next couple of hours. Then, they opened the door of the cell and threw him in. We cleaned him up as well as we could…

The cell in which we lived had a concrete slab in the middle on which we slept. Four naked light bulbs hung in each corner of the room.

As I said, we tried to clean up Mike as well as we could. After the excitement died down, I looked in the corner of the room, and sitting there beneath that dim light bulb with a piece of red cloth, another shirt and his bamboo needle, was my friend, Mike Christian. He was sitting there with his eyes almost shut from the beating he had received, making another American flag. He was not making the flag because it made Mike Christian feel better. He was making that flag because he knew how important it was to us to be able to Pledge our allegiance to our flag and country.

So the next time you say the Pledge of Allegiance,you must never forget the sacrifice and courage that thousands of Americans have made to build our nation and promote freedom around the world.

You must remember our duty, our honor, and our country

“I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation
under God**, indivisible,with liberty and justice for all.”**

PASS THIS ON… and on… and on! You can even send it back to me, I don’t mind, because its worth reading again

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Of course the “under God” is your emphasis added, right?

Because if that weren’t in there, this story couldn’t have happened?

I love Red skelton’s comments about the pledge. They can be found online (a recording oh his talk).

Of course the “under God” is your emphasis added, right?

Because if that weren’t in there, this story couldn’t have happened?

Nope. I received this in an email from a friend of mine who’s serving in Iraq. I don’t know where he got it from. If I had known that the phrase “under God” would’ve offended you so, I wouldn’t have included. We must, after all, ensure that we scrub every reference to God out of our nation’s history, don’t you think :wink:

Tony

Sorry - a bit overreacting, and no, the phrase doesnt offend me (though I see no need for it in there).

What this looks like is a subtle or not-so-subtle attempt to take the story and turn it into a story of support for the “under God” phrase.

Of course the “under God” is your emphasis added, right?

Because if that weren’t in there, this story couldn’t have happened?

Nope. I received this in an email from a friend of mine who’s serving in Iraq. I don’t know where he got it from. If I had known that the phrase “under God” would’ve offended you so, I wouldn’t have included. We must, after all, ensure that we scrub every reference to God out of our nation’s history, don’t you think :wink:

Tony

The new “Pledge”

"I recognize some small duty to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands unless they are in disagreement with the UN, one nation in agreement with the United Nations**, indivisible unless that bothers you, with some liberty and justice for a few."**

**What this looks like is a subtle or not-so-subtle attempt to take the story and turn it into a story of support for the “under God” phrase. **

Have you ever seen the interviews of Vietnam POWs that PBS runs on Memorial Day? To a man, they all speak of the necessity of faith for their survival. FWIW.

I dont doubt it. I also don’t doubt that the flag/pledge made a big difference.

Neither of which mean that the phrase “under God” need be in the pledge.

FWIW, here’s the whole speech:

http://mccain.senate.gov/index.cfm%3Ffuseaction=Newscenter.ViewPressRelease%26Content_id=799

**REMARKS BY SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN BEFORE THE 1988 REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION**   For Immediate Release  Monday, Aug 15, 1988     I was born into a family with a long military tradition. My grandfather attended the United States Naval Academy. My father attended the Naval Academy. And I attended the Naval Academy. 

Even as Navy man, I will never forget my first visit to West Point and how impressed I was at its beauty, especially the Chapel. I vividly remember seeing a plaque on the wall of the Chapel inscribed with 156 names. These are the names of the young men who graduated from West Point in 1950.

That year, North Korea attacked South Korea, and these young men gave their lives in combat – in the defense of someone else’s freedom. At the bottom of that plaque is the West Point motto: “Duty, Honor, Country.”

“Duty, Honor, Country.” Tonight let’s reflect on those words and how they apply to us. Tonight lets reflect on those words and how they apply to us. Lets reflect on whether George Bush or Michael Dukakis can best carry forth those values.

Duty. We have a duty to leave our children a safer world than the one in which we live. That means eliminating the threat of nuclear war. Because of steadfast and consistent Reagan-Bush foreign policy, we have for the first time in history been able to negotiate a treaty that rids the world of entire generations of nuclear weapons.

Ronald Reagan and George Bush have brought us to the dawn of a new era of peace and security. In this Presidential race, George Bush alone has the experience and knowledge to continue the policy of a strong defense, coupled with a willingness to negotiate.

Michael Dukakis, like Jimmy Carter before him, clearly doesn’t understand that. Michael Dukakis seems to believe that the Trident is a chewing gum, that the B-1 is a Vitamin pill, and that the Midgetman is anyone shorter than he is.

Duty. We have a duty to provide proper recognition and the earned benefits to the 27 million Americans who have honorably served this country. I think that it is disgraceful that not once in Atlanta – not once – did Michael Dukakis or Lloyd Bentsen even mention this nation’s veterans. George Bush, a distinguished combat pilot in World War II, clearly understands our obligations to those who have served and sacrificed.

Duty. We have a duty to provide this nation with the strongest and most reliable defense establishment on earth. We can be satisfied with nothing less. Before you believe the rhetoric or the liberal left that your defense dollars have been wasted, conduct a little test.

Go out to the nearest military base or one of your navy ships. Ask the chief petty officers. Ask the master sergeants what they think of the Reagan-Bush defense program. First they will recall the 1970’s when, under Jimmy Carter, we had guns that couldn’t shoot, planes that couldn’t fly, and ships that couldn’t leave port because of the lack of spare parts and trained personnel. They will recall families of enlisted men on food stamps.

Then, they will tell you that today we have never had more highly qualified and motivated men and women serving in our military. And they are ready to defend our interests throughout the world - just as they did in our successful strike on Khadafy terrorism in Libya, which Michael Dukakis opposed; the rescue mission in Grenada, which Michael Dukakis did not support; and in our defense of the Persian Gulf which Michael Dukakis opposed – where there is now peace.

Under Ronald Reagan and George Bush, America has gone from a whipping boy and laughing stock of the world to a nation that inspires respect from our allies and restraint form our adversaries.

Duty, Honor, Country. Honor. It is honorable for Americans to help those struggling for their freedom throughout the world. From the shipyard workers fighting for solidarity at Gdansk to the freedom fighters in Afghanistan to the Cory Achene’s of developing nations, we must support those struggling for their freedom because it is our heritage. Just as other nations supported our struggle for freedom over 200 years ago.

Honor. It is dishonorable for this nation to sell Central America down the river to communism. The Sandinistas, displaying their contempt for the church, the press, and every standard, of decency have crushed basic human rights and have violated the promises and commitments made in 1979, and of the Arias peace plan they signed last year.

Just as shameful is the conduct of the Speaker of the House, that best selling author Jim Wright, who thinks he is Secretary of State for Latin American Affairs. Now it is time to give the freedom fighters the support and the where-with-all to bring justice and freedom to Nicaragua. Now it’s time to stop the spread of communist subversion in Central America. And it is absolutely the time to stop the flow of Soviet and Cuban weapons into the Western Hemisphere.

Honor. It is honorable for this nation to erect a defensive shield to protect ourselves from offensive nuclear weapons. Think of what would happen if Colonel Khadafy or the Ayatollah were to acquire the means to deliver a nuclear weapon. We are totally defenseless against such an attack. And yet, Michael Dukakis opposes SDI, a system that will defend us against an accidental or deliberate nuclear attack.

Duty, Honor, Country. Country. We are a great country - the most wonderful in the world. A beacon of hope for millions who live in darkness and despair. Pride in the flag that surrounds us tonight is essential to a president. It is outrageous that Governor Dukakis vetoed legislation giving Massachusetts school children the right to pledge allegiance to that flag at the beginning of the school day.

Let me tell you what I think about our Pledge of Allegiance, our flag, and our country. I want to tell you a story about when I was a prisoner of war. I spent 5 1/2 years at the Hanoi Hilton. In the early years of our imprisonment, the North Vietnamese kept us in solitary confinement or two or three to a cell.

In 1971, the North Vietnamese moved us from these conditions of isolation into large rooms with as many as 30 to 40 men to a room. This was, as you can imagine, a wonderful change. And was a direct result of the efforts of millions of Americans, led by people like Nancy and Ronald Reagan, on behalf of a few hundred POW’s, 10,000 miles form home.

One of the men who moved into my cell was Mike Christian. Mike Christian. Mike came from a small town from Selma, Alabama. He didn’t wear a pair of shoes until he was thirteen years old. At seventeen, he enlisted in the U.S. Navy. He later earned a commission. He became a Naval flying officer, and was shot down and captured in 1967. Mike had a keen and deep appreciation for the opportunities this country – and our military – provide for people who want to work and want to succeed.

The uniforms that we wore in prison consisted of a blue short-sleeved shirt trousers that looked like pajama trousers and rubber sandals that were made out of automobile tires. I recommend them highly; one pair lasted my entire stay.

As part of the change in treatment, the Vietnamese allowed some prisoners to receive packages from home. In some of these packages were handkerchiefs, scarves and other items of clothing. Mike got himself a piece of white cloth and a piece of red cloth and fashioned himself a bamboo needle. Over a period of a couple of months, he sewed the American flag on the inside of his shirt.

Every afternoon, before we had a bowl of soup, we would hang Mike’s shirt on the wall of our cell, and say the Pledge of Allegiance. I know that saying the Pledge of allegiance may not seem the most important or meaningful part of our day now. But I can assure you that – for those men in that stark prison cell – it was indeed the most important and meaningful event of our day.

One day, the Vietnamese searched our cell and discovered Mike’s shirt with the flag sewn inside, and removed it. That evening they returned, opened the door of the cell, called for Mike Christian to come out, closed the door of the cell, and for the benefit of all of us, beat Mike Christian severely for the next couple of hours.

Then they opened the door of the cell and threw him back inside. He was not in good shape. We tried to comfort and take care of him as well as we could. The cell in which we lived had a concrete slab in the middle on which we slept. Four naked light bulbs hung in each corner of the room.

After things quieted down, I went to lie down to go to sleep. As I did, I happened to look in the corner of the room. Sitting there beneath that dim light bulb, with a piece of white cloth, a piece of red cloth, another shirt and his bamboo needle, was my friend mike Christian. Sitting there, with his eyes almost shut from his beating , making another American flag. He was not making that flag because it made Mike Christian feel better. He was making that flag because he knew how important it was for us to be able to pledge our allegiance to our flag and our country.

Duty, Honor, Country. We must never forget those thousands of Americans who, with their courage, with their sacrifice, and with their lives, made those words live for all of us.

Ronald Reagan and George Bush remember. They have made America strong, free prosperous and have brought peace top our time. This November we must not forget. We must not retreat. Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Republicans. Duty, Honor, Country. back to press releases ]

Its a wonder our country survived for over a century without the Pledge of Allegiance.

Or for >150 years without “under God” for that matter
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It’s all food for thought. The Pledge is a relatively recent addition to our nation’s history, and the “under God” is even more recent than that, I think. What do people in this thread believe is the proper role for “God” in our republic? And is the phrase “under God” support by the government for an organized religion?

Tony

I dont think God has any place in government.

How is the pledge any different than making kids in public school say “There is a God” every day?

The “under God” phrase was a McCarthyist knee-jerk reaction against “godless Communism”. It’s a dumb and unneccessary addition to the Pledge and there’s no need to keep it.

No reason to remove it either. No one is forced to say under God. Its your choice. Why would you want to deny someone the choice to say it?

Gee, How long has “In GOD we trust” been on our Money.

"No reason to remove it either. No one is forced to say under God. Its your choice. Why would you want to deny someone the choice to say it? "

Really. How do you think the kids who refuse to say “under God” are treated by their friends? It’s another way to make non-Christian kids different. The phrase doesn’t offend me, but I can certainly see reasons to take it out.

Gee, How long has “In GOD we trust” been on our Money.

Mid 1800s… made a law for all coins in 1908

First used on paper money in 1957 - not long at all.

http://www.treas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml

With all the various controversies about the Establishment clause, money is probably the lcosest thing I can think of that actually comes really cloes to establishing or condoning a national religion.

http://www.homeofheroes.com/hallofheroes/1st_floor/flag/1bfc_pledge.html

The last change in the Pledge of Allegiance occurred on June 14 (Flag Day), 1954 when President Dwight D. Eisenhower approved adding the words “under God”. As he authorized this change he said: “In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America’s heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country’s most powerful resource in peace and war.”

**And this: http://history.vineyard.net/pledge.htm

In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, ‘under God,’ to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer. Bellamy’s granddaughter said he also would have resented this second change

The Pledge of Allegiance is definately an American thing that is different from most places. Although when I was a kid in Canada we listened/sang to the national anthem every morning, which is a sort of similiar ritual.

Since my dad was Canadian military (back in the days when Canada had a bigger miltary commitment) we moved around a lot including time in the USA with a year in Indiana when I was 9 and a year at Holloman AFB in New Mexico at age 12.

In Indiana it was my first time living in the US, so the first time when my grade 4 class stood up for the pledge I didn’t know what to do. I looked over at my classmates and noticed that they had their hand on their chests so I copied. But being only 9 yrs old and unobservant I crossed my left hand over to the right side of the chest instead of doing it the correct way.

My grade 4 teacher noticed this and not wishing to single me out in front the class later took me aside and showed me how to do it properly.

Never had a problem since. :slight_smile: