The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread

Reverse sear in the oven achieves much of the same results as sous vide, but I do not worry about using sous vide at all.

Ya, I was a sous vide maniac years ago, and the plastic issue has mostly consigned my sous vide to the basement
 I suppose the saving grace is the plastic is being heated at 150-160F range. But still, the instapot is also a great choice. Not the same as sous vide though. I also use the smoker for a few hours and then finish it in the oven on low temp, but smoked meat can have issues too (which is why I don’t finish it off in the smoker).

This Lionel thread becomes more and more all encompassing by the day.

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Lionel vs Dolphin.

Who would live?

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In the latest PTN podcast:

Talbot: Lionel can’t just go to Australia for a couple of weeks to swim with JR and be a good swimmer. Just look at Ari Klau.

A few moments later.

Talbot: I think Lionel can win Nice or Marbella. With how light he is right now, he can beat the likes of Magnus on the climbs. He can spend 3 or 4 weeks training in Nice to practice his descending.

I just can’t anymore.

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I think we all know a few weeks isn’t going to change Lionel’s swim for more than a week.

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I agree with the first statement. Don’t agree with the second.

Even if he does carry through a plan to spend weeks in Alpes-Maritimes I think Sanders’ decade plus of % outdoor experience (versus % time on the turbo) will be extremely difficult to become more than competent on those pesky downhill bends on dodgy surfaces. His risk tolerance will be moderated by age and fatherhood (and crash history/propensity).
But if Sanders can convert his [edit - according to @talbotcox ] superior w/kg into reversing the gap out of the swim on the climb to Gourdon (as Philipp managed last September) then he has a chance. Because he can’t lose that much on the downhills - the differential to descenders like RvB, Iden, Laidlow will not be significant (though see Pierre’s loss to Matthews). Against the not-top runners he can win. Will need minutes at T2 to stay ahead of Lange, Iden, Blummenfelt.
Not sure what you can’t? “I just can’t anymore.” Believe? Cope with Cox’s perfectly consistent optimistic take on Sanders’ potential?

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I’ll admit I didn’t follow the race last year but how did LCB get on in the bike in Nice? She also does the majority of her riding indoors and her technical ability isn’t great (see her SuperTri race a couple years back) and yet she smashed the race last year.

It’s the latter.

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In IM Nice LCB rode 5:16 for the bike and then ran a 2:49 off it.
The IMWC bike course was ?10km longer and Philipp rode it in 5:02 (and ran sub-2:45!!).
I suggest judging LCB’s technical ability harshly is unfounded. In the 70.3WC in 2019 the gnarly descent from Coursegoules (998m) down into the valley (32km) was the same (as the IMWC course) and after a 5 minute drafting penalty she held her own in that 2019 field. LCB’s bike time would’ve been #2 behind Ryf (and ahead of Lawrence, Simmonds and Watkinson).

Back on topic, don’t think we have any useful evidence of how good Sanders’ descending is.
However Sanders needs to be aware that crossing the white line (actual or virtual) on those bends may result in more than a DQ: it’s ‘literally’ impossible to ensure that some errant Alpes-Maritimes local doesn’t exercise their right of libertĂ© and Ă©galitĂ©, without also considering their responsibility of fraternitĂ©.

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Care to share a recipe for this?

Cox “I mean I mean I mean you sawl that Lionel video? I mean I mean I meaaaaaan”.

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Superior W/kg? compared to whom? Laidlow and Mignon took the bull the by horns on the long col ascent a few years ago dropping some folks we suspected to have high W/kg such as Lange. I don’t think LS has the W/kg that it will take to be at the front of the race.

I think where Sanders sees his chance is the fact that Nice is more like St George than it is like Kona in terms of weather. Although, obviously the descent in Nice is much more technical than it is in St G.

But I imagine, Sanders expects the same kind of fireworks at the front of the race with all the big guns going for the win, and he can hope to run his way on to the podium. I’m not suggesting Sanders will ride away from everyone, but he can ride his power and not burn too many candles and have very strong run. That plus a little luck (mingled with bad luck for his competitors) and he’s got a reasonable shot.

Likely? No, that’s too much to say simply based on his inconsistencies in both training and full distance racing. But we’re all hoping something finally clicks. While I’m excited to see how things play out with a fully trained Knibb in Kona, I think the fireworks in Nice could make for one of the best World Championships ever – if they all make it to the start line.

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21:08? un oh, that’s like 1:24/100 m pace. I get that this was a double workout day, but his swimming is getting slower and slower.

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back on the carbs again


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Neither of those were all out efforts. You can see it in his equipment and demeanor. He’s just jumping into local events for some uptempo work.

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