There is a new P2. Since it seems like bikes are like women’s clothes… Omg, that is so “last season”… I guess the old P2 sucks now.
There is a new P2. Since it seems like bikes are like women’s clothes… Omg, that is so “last season”… I guess the old P2 sucks now.
I know right. On the other hand the old P2 now becomes more of a bargain used?
Good thing you didn’t post this in the other p2 thread…
This bike is outdated and crappy. I’ll give you $200 for it.
Good thing you didn’t post this in the other p2 thread…
Man, those dudes don’t know what they’re talking about. #pink
only way you would get me on the new P2 is to transfer my 2012 P2 components and bars. I like the new frame, not a fan of the rest, but understand its built to a price point. For reference i have seen them popping up here in Aus now, for $3,700. I can nearly (only a couple hundred more) get on a speed concept 7.5, a shiv expert…or for 2.5k a ‘run-out’ 2013 P2. I have also come across a new 2012 P2 ultegra for 2k.
only way you would get me on the new P2 is to transfer my 2012 P2 components and bars. I like the new frame, not a fan of the rest, but understand its built to a price point. For reference i have seen them popping up here in Aus now, for $3,700. I can nearly (only a couple hundred more) get on a speed concept 7.5, a shiv expert…or for 2.5k a ‘run-out’ 2013 P2. I have also come across a new 2012 P2 ultegra for 2k.
The thing is, the P2 is a “bargain” at that price, especially compared to the speed concept, shiv expert and old P2. Because it’s a faster bike. Even with 105 components.
“Bargain”…?
The thing is, the P2 is a “bargain” at that price, especially compared to the speed concept, shiv expert and old P2. Because it’s a faster bike. Even with 105 components.
+1, the new P2 is a category killer.
The thing is, the P2 is a “bargain” at that price, especially compared to the speed concept, shiv expert and old P2. Because it’s a faster bike. Even with 105 components.
+1, the new P2 is a category killer.
Yes, but the geometry is different. It is now just like the P3.
I had a P3 and sold it to get a P2. Fit was better. Not cool.
Hi jharris,
Sounds like you made a valid fit-driven decision, when the classic P3 and P2 had different geometry from each other. The classic P2 has a 1.5cm longer head tube, so ~1.5 cm higher stack (on most sizes).
With the introduction of the New P3 last year, we changed the stack & reach. It’s different from both the classic P3 and the classic P2 you’re thinking of. The new P3 has another ~1 cm higher stack. And the new P2 is identical to the new P3.
Using the stack dimension of size 56 as an example:
Classic P3 516mm
Classic P2 531mm
New P3 540mm
New P2 540mm
Cheers,
Hi jharris,
Sounds like you made a valid fit-driven decision, when the classic P3 and P2 had different geometry from each other. The classic P2 has a 1.5cm longer head tube, so ~1.5 cm higher stack (on most sizes).
With the introduction of the New P3 last year, we changed the stack & reach. It’s different from both the classic P3 and the classic P2 you’re thinking of. The new P3 has another ~1 cm higher stack. And the new P2 is identical to the new P3.
Using the stack dimension of size 56 as an example:
Classic P3 516mm
Classic P2 531mm
New P3 540mm
New P2 540mm
Cheers,
So, your saying the new P3 and P2 have a 9mm higher stack than the classic P2 I had?
If so, I could run a stem flat!
Hi jharris,
You got it! Be sure to check your specific size (if it’s not the 56 I used in my example).
Cheers,
Yes, but the geometry is different. It is now just like the P3.
I had a P3 and sold it to get a P2. Fit was better. Not cool.
I’m totally with you on the new geometry fail. If I had it my way, I’d have the P2 with the P3SL geometry.
Having increasing stack height makes absolutely no sense. It’s incredibly easy to increase stack height via aero bars and spacers that have no effect on aerodynamics (in some cases may improve). It’s not like the people with pad stacks of 600mm+ are aero anyways.
It’s not like the people with pad stacks of 600mm+ are aero anyways.
My pad stack is over 600…
Fortunately my saddle stack is 800
I agree that it’s a pain losing the low stack frame options, especially given the paucity of fast low stack bars.
Aren’t you also like 1.90 m? 
All these new geometry bikes mean -25/-30 stems with lower stack bars for me (vision semi-integrated). Or going down a frame size and needing a pretty long stem. C’est la vie.
I think that most punters are not going to miss the 9mm and if the big boys at team Garmin are able to get fit on the P5 I’d hardly call it a fail…….just means a few more of us can get slammed!
Aren’t you also like 1.90 m?
All these new geometry bikes mean -25/-30 stems with lower stack bars for me (vision semi-integrated). Or going down a frame size and needing a pretty long stem. C’est la vie.
A little over, yes. Just pointing out that Nicks generalisation was unfair to those of us who’re elongated.
I’ve used the Vision Trimax SI bars on quite a few speed concepts to get athletes lower. They’re my favourite option for low stack, drag and price. But very hard to get hold of here. Particularly good if you drill out the back of the pad mounts to route the cables straight out the back.
Haha, all good. I definitely realize I’m way off the center of the fit curve – so not complaining inasmuch as acknowledging that I have to size down on newer frames.
Hadn’t thought to drill out the back of the extensions versus pulling the shift housing just over the basebar immediately next to the pad bracket–which seems to work fine for me.
On a wildly tangential note–have you drilled the Vision Trimax SI bars for internally routed brake levers? I have in my possession some 3T crabclaws that I’d like to replace my ancient/bulky Tektro levers (the ever famous ones). I was thinking of making an opening close to the upturn on the bottom, but not sure if it’d be sensible there or along the inside.
It’s not like the people with pad stacks of 600mm+ are aero anyways.
I’ll have to disagree with that and my own personal n=1 morphology