Do you know the difference between attacking the person and attacking their argument?
Did attack your character? No I said your logic was idiotic.
Thank you, sir, for clarifying that important point.
No problem, seems like it was quite needed.
So, I am curious, when do you feel big government intervention is a good idea? Per your previous post, only in social justice areas, or other areas too?
This is a growing issue that is a widely politicized one.
Is it really a growing issue?
When Utah passed itâs law it had 75,000 High School athletes. Only one of them was M2F trans
When Alabama passed itâs bill there were 190,000 High School athletes in the state. Not a single one was trans
When Mississippi passed itâs ban there were 107,000 High School athletes in the state. Not a single one was trans. None in High School, Middle School, or college.
The IOC has allowed Trans athletes for 20+ years. In that time there has been a single trans Olympian, who would no longer qualfiy under the updated IOC regulations.
The primary push behind these laws is politicians using trans people for political gain, it is not because trans people are taking over womenâs sport.
The correct path is for this to be managed by the federations. Big Government regulation is not the answer.
If thereâs so few trans people, then so few people will be affected by the laws.
There you go. Done. Weâll never hear of you commenting on this topic again, right?
You donât think the demonization of trans people by politicians for political gain affects trans people?
I mean this as respectfully as possible because you have been a great advocate for trans individuals and offer a lot of information.
But claiming the argument against trans athletes is demonization is a bit disingenuous. Pointing out that trans women arent the same as biological women especially with respect to physical capabilities and that they present an unfair advantage is not demonizing.
That being said there are awful and insensitive individuals who will take poor stances on the matter and some of them are politicians.
But I donââŹâ˘t think they speak for all (as is often the case with the most extreme outspoken individuals) and the rest donââŹâ˘t take a demonizing approach by saying itââŹâ˘s not fair.
That is not what I am saying at all. It is perfectly possible to have a reasonable discussion about this topic, conclude that trans people may have a competitive advantage, and still think that trans people should be treated with respect and dignity.
If you listen to the rhetoric used by many of the politicians, and organizations, pushing these bills and it is indeed extreme and part of a larger anti-trans agenda.
A Hate Group Is Reportedly Behind 2021ââŹâ˘s Dangerous Wave of Anti-Trans Bills | Them
Far-Right Groups Flood State Legislatures With Anti-Trans Bills Targeting Children | Southern Poverty Law Center (splcenter.org)
State anti-transgender bills represent coordinated attack, advocates say (nbcnews.com)
So, I am curious, when do you feel big government intervention is a good idea? Per your previous post, only in social justice areas, or other areas too?
Anything pro wolf related for sure
That was five years ago. I think that it may have sparked the idea for some that there may be political gain in the issue. By the time Thomas came along many of the laws were already passed.
The bolded seems to indicate that you think **the whole thing is about politics **and that there was no actual problem addressed by the laws. I can acknowledge the political theater is a component of these laws but believe that they were necessary to address a significant and growing problem.
I think the political thing is about politics and not to address a âsignificant and growing problemâ
Lawmakers canât cite local examples of trans girls in sports | AP News
I think the changes put in place by the sports federations are generally reasonable, necessary, and based on research.
So, I am curious, when do you feel big government intervention is a good idea? Per your previous post, only in social justice areas, or other areas too?
Anything pro wolf related for sure
And âclimate changeâ.
So, I am curious, when do you feel big government intervention is a good idea? Per your previous post, only in social justice areas, or other areas too?
Anything pro wolf related for sure
And âclimate changeâ.
Yeah, me too. Because, unfortunately the private sector has shown their approach to global heating. And itâs lies, lies, and more lies:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...almost-40-years-ago/
But, donât worry, trumpâs stable genius policies will save us !
If trans men can accept the consequences for transitioning, why canât trans women?
Can you explain what you mean here? Because I donââŹâ˘t see the difference between trans men wanting to compete with men and trans women wanting to compete with women. What are trans men accepting that trans women are not?
Also these same rules are forcing trans men to compete with women in high school sports, even wrestling:
https://www.usnews.com/...h-school-girls-title
Also, can you explain what this means:
PS - I find it a little odd that someone who is a woman on the inside REALLY needs to play sports, while someone who is a man on the inside is disinterested in sports.
Are you saying that there are no trans men wanting to play sports?
Can you point to a single instance where a F2M trans person won ANYTHING in sports?
Not disagreeing with your basic point, but this guy might qualify:
And, yes, a jockey is sort of the exception that proves the rule.
So, I am curious, when do you feel big government intervention is a good idea? **Per your previous post, only in social justice areas, **or other areas too?
I really am not inclined to answer you, not for ââŹĹbeing uncomfortable with my answerââŹÂ as you have claimed recently. But because you do not engage in discussions truthfully and I donââŹâ˘t believe answering you will lead to anything but a rabbit hole of more incessant questions.
Again case and point here where you mischaracterized AGAIN what I have said.
I never fucking said ââŹĹonly in social justice issues.ââŹÂ
You twist posters words into whatever direction you want. At least here we can add another notch on the amount of threads where multiple posters agree your discussion style is awful.
So, I am curious, when do you feel big government intervention is a good idea? **Per your previous post, only in social justice areas, **or other areas too?I really am not inclined to answer you
No worries, that is of course totally your call.
I never fucking said ââŹĹonly in social justice issues.ââŹÂ
Gosh, you seem really pissed off.
You twist posters words into whatever direction you want.This is kinda hard to do, as there is a running record of everything people write here. Including me.
So, I am curious, when do you feel big government intervention is a good idea? **Per your previous post, only in social justice areas, **or other areas too?I really am not inclined to answer you
No worries, that is of course totally your call.
I never fucking said ââŹĹonly in social justice issues.ââŹÂ
Gosh, you seem really pissed off.
You twist posters words into whatever direction you want.This is kinda hard to do, as there is a running record of everything people write here. Including me.
Pissed off? Because I use some form of the word ââŹĹfuck?ââŹÂ The amount of times I curse on a daily basis would probably shock a lot of people. And it has nothing to do with anger. So no.
And exactlyââŹÂŚyet you still manage to do it often. IââŹâ˘m convinced now thereââŹâ˘s something else going on there. But IââŹâ˘ll keep it to myself.
Riley Gaines vs Simone BilesâŚ
Does Simone Biles think she would have won all those medals if she was competing against men?
How would she do on the rings?
Thatâs not how that works.
In an open category where men compete against women, the rings could be one of the disciplines.
Women would not fare well against men. Nor would they fare well against men on floor.
Thereâs a reason women donât compete on rings.
Who suggested an open category? Gaines wants trans men out of womenâs sports, and Biles suggested finding ways to include trans athletes like maybe creating their own transgender category.
How would she not fare well against men on the floor exercise? Her most recent floor routine had skills that in the menâs rules have difficulties higher than any skill some of the best men even attempt. So at least some of her routine could score very high at the highest level against men.
My understanding is that floor and vault would be the two events where Biles could possibly compete at the world class level with men.
There are plenty of videos on the internet if you want to see men try some of Bileâs skills.
Because the menâs code is constructed differently. She does a couple of acrobatic skills that would be comparable to the menâs routines, but she does fewer of them in her routine than the men, and the menâs code emphasizes connected skills that the womenâs code doesnât necessarily encourage.
Itâs not really useful to try to speculate on how she might or might not score. The routines are different enough with skill values, requirements for dance or not, strength or not, etc.
On vault, Biles would have to compete on a vault table 10cm higher, because thatâs the minimum for the men. Could she still do ok? Maybe. 10cm isnât a huge amount, but when youâre as tiny as she is, and as precise in your movements, who knows?
Trying to find the context. Apparently a girlsâ softball team won a state championship with a trans pitcher.
Gaines spoke out about it, and did call the pitcher a âboy.â
Regardless, this was Simoneâs response:
"âAll of this campaigning because you lost a race. Straight up sore loser,â Biles wrote to Gaines, who competed against trans swimmer Lia Thomas in 2022. "
Thatâs an unfair statement. Gaines isnât upset because she lost. Sheâs upset because she lost to a biological male. She donât lose, she was robbed.
She didnât lose. She tied for fifth. Had Thomas not been allowed to compete, she would still have come in fifth.
Maybe thatâs a distinction without a difference.
But trying for fifth and the âtraumaâ of having to share a locker room with a transgendered woman are what gave her a career and the ability to make a few million.
There are very good reasons why biological males should not be competing in womenâs events at that level. But Riley Gaines is still an opportunist.
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Perhaps, but that doesnât make her wrong.