The Gay Marriage Fight Continues: Fla. Court Upholds DOMA, La. Court Reinstates State Ban

Judge throws out same-sex marriage suit TAMPA (AP) — In what is believed to be the first ruling of its kind, a judge on Wednesday upheld the federal law letting states ban same-sex marriages, dismissing a lawsuit by two women seeking to have their Massachusetts marriage recognized here.

Attorneys for conservative groups hailed the ruling by U.S. District Judge James S. Moody as an important first step, but the plaintiffs promised to appeal.

“This is a legal shot heard 'round the world,” said attorney Ellis Rubin, who filed the lawsuit on the women’s behalf. “But we are not giving up. … This case is going to be resolved in the U.S. Supreme Court, and I have said that since the day I filed it.”

Although several federal cases are challenging the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, attorneys said Wednesday’s ruling was the first by a federal judge on a direct challenge to the law.

Moody sided with former Attorney General John Ashcroft, who argued in court filings that the government has a legitimate interest in allowing states to ban same-sex marriages, namely to encourage “stable relationships” for the rearing of children by both biological parents.

The Justice Department did not immediately comment on the ruling.

The plaintiffs, Nancy Wilson and Paula Schoenwether, a couple for 27 years who live in Tampa, were married in Massachusetts in July. They wanted their union recognized in Florida, where state law specifically bans same-sex marriages.

The women argued that the Defense of Marriage Act was unconstitutional because it was discriminatory on the basis of sex and violated their fundamental rights.

But Moody disagreed, saying the law was not discriminatory because it treats men and women equally and that the government met its burden of stating a legitimate interest for allowing marriages to exist only between men and women.

Moody said he could not declare marriage a “fundamental right,” as the lawsuit urged him to do, and that he was bound to follow legal precedent.

“The legislatures of individual states may decide to overturn its precedent and strike down” the law, Moody wrote. “But, until then, this court is constrained to hold (the law) and the Florida statutes … constitutionally valid.”

Wilson, a minister for Metropolitan Community Churches, one of the world’s largest congregations of gay Christians, said in a statement she was prepared to take her challenge to the Supreme Court.

“Despite this ruling, we are still married in our hearts, and legally married in Massachusetts,” she said. Her partner added: “No civil rights movement was lost on one bad court decision.”

Conservative Christian groups applauded the ruling.

“Today we have witnessed a significant victory — for marriage and democracy,” said Tom Minnery of Focus on Family. The group is pushing for an amendment to the Constitution that would ban same-sex marriages.

“Unfortunately, at any time, marriage in any jurisdiction is only one judge away from being ruled unconstitutional.”

Last year, a federal bankruptcy judge in Washington state ruled the Defense of Marriage Act constitutional when a lesbian couple sought to file for bankruptcy as a heterosexual couple would. But that decision was not binding on other courts.

La. court OKs anti-gay marriage amendment NEW ORLEANS (AP) — The Louisiana Supreme Court on Wednesday unanimously reinstated an anti-gay marriage amendment to the state constitution that was overwhelmingly approved by the voters in September. (**Related story: **Federal judge rules Florida does not have to recognize gay marriages)

The high court reversed a ruling by a state district judge, who struck down the “defense of marriage” amendment in October on the grounds that the measure dealt with more than one subject, in violation of the Louisiana Constitution.

But the Supreme Court said: “Each provision of the amendment is germane to the single object of defense of marriage.”

The amendment was put on the ballot by the Legislature and approved by 78% of the voters. Eleven other states adopted similar amendments in the fall elections.

“We’re obviously delighted,” said Michael Johnson, an attorney for Alliance Defense Fund, which argued for the amendment’s legality.

Gay rights activist and state legislative candidate Chris Daigle called the ruling an outrage, saying it does nothing to defend marriage.

“High divorce rates, high adultery rates, poverty, lack of education, parents having to hold more than one job, those are the real threats to marriage,” he said.

But other opponents of the amendment said they were pleased that the court noted that it would not affect the rights of unmarried couples, gay or heterosexual.

In striking down the amendment, Judge William Morvant of Baton Rouge had ruled that it would also prevent the state from recognizing common-law relationships, domestic partnerships and civil unions between both gay and heterosexual couples.

At issue was a provision that stated: “A legal status identical or substantially similar to that of marriage for unmarried individuals shall not be recognized.”

But the high court said the amendment would not stop unmarried couples from buying property together, making medical decisions for each other, or leaving their estates to one another.

Randy Evans, an attorney for the gay rights group Forum for Equality, called the high court’s ruling “a decision worthy of Solomon.”

Legislative backers of the amendment said that although gay marriages were already banned by state law, the amendment was needed to ensure that courts would not authorize such marriages, as happened in Massachusetts.

“This makes it clear that marriage will remain a sacred union between a man and a woman, and removes the ability of activist judges from changing that definition,” Republican state Rep. Steve Scalise said.

Not so sacred though that 50% of them will end in divorce though.

True Dat. There are only two people that can ruin the sanctity or diminish the sacredness of my marriage … and I’m one of them.

Can we just have legal gay unions and move on? This is gonna be one of those things where we fight and scartch, drag our feet, and within 10 years go ahead and have “gay unions”. We should just have em now and save everyone the struggle, and waste of resources (time, breath, money, etc).

Just think of the plus side, with all of the gay unions getting “dissolved/divorced”, there will be greater opportunity to have more “divorce” lawyers.

I am not for changing the definition of marriage , because to a good number of people it does mean something … and it’s not just tradition.


Here comes the next step … if the goivernent cannot tell olks what genders compose a union, who are they to tell people what number constitute a “union”? I can already envision “a combination of people numbering 3 or greater”, who are in love, lived together for years, and want to enjoy the legal benefits everyone else does.

Here comes the next step … if the goivernent cannot tell olks what genders compose a union, who are they to tell people what number constitute a “union”? I can already envision “a combination of people numbering 3 or greater”, who are in love, lived together for years, and want to enjoy the legal benefits everyone else does.

TripleThreat, meet vitus979.

Excellent.

Excellent.

I’m totally reading that in an evil Mr. Burns voice.

http://www.allposters.com/IMAGES/ATA/24805BP.jpg

Good, that’s how I was writing it.

:wink:

On ther other hand…

Judge rules N.Y. ban on same-sex marriage illegal

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/02/04/ny.gaymarriage.ap/index.html

I wonder what provision exists for the good people of New York to put legal measures against gay marriage in place. I suspect it’s not long before they do so.

Only way to guarantee that IMO would be a national Consitutional amendment.

How’s that? An amendment to New York’s constitution wouldn’t suffice?

Not if SCOTUS held that it was unconstitutional, which is what I think might happen if it got that far
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which is what I think might happen if it got that far

Not if an amendment to the US Constitution is passed first!

Which is just as speculative. Let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves.

Not if an amendment to the US Constitution is passed first!

Exactamundo!

Which is just as speculative. Let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves.

It’s all speculative. But I’d guess that the only way to guarantee a same-sex marriage ban would be an amendment tothe US Consitution, although I think we’ll see attempts at state consitution amendments sooner.

Why can’t NY State just pass legislation like the states mentioned above it have?

Those of you that are against gay marriage, could you please tell me your reasons? I really don’t see the harm in it.

NY did pass such legistation, which was just struck down the by courts.

And Eric, we’ve had 2 or 3 pretty long threads on the pro’s and con’s - if you want to throw away a few hours of your life you could search them out and read them. Do so at your own peril :wink:

I believe the law in question is actually a NYC law, and not a NY state law.

Further, it was not a State Constitution Amendment, which other states have passed.

I definitely could be wrong, I haven’t seen clear language about it yet.

Here’s another article on it:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,146434,00.html

I believe the law in question is actually a NYC law, and not a NY state law.

Ah, yes, you’re right.

My point all along is this: you can pass state laws. You can amend the state consitution. However, if the US Supreme Court finds those gay marriage bans unconsitutional, then you’re out of luck. The only way to guarantee such a ban would be an amendment to the US Constitution.

However I don’t think a national amendment will ever pass.

Guess its because of some man having written a book several thousand years ago in which is written neing gay is a sin.

Chers Torsten

200 years ago white people brought africans to the americas and touted them as stupid and uncivilized and forced them to be slaves. I’m sure you think they were right also.

I would like to think the human race has evolved over the past 2000 years, evidently some haven’t.