The Atlanta Child Murders

CNN is about to televise an updated documentary on this. I was in 8th grade and lived in Macon GA when this was all going on. I remember distinctly sitting in our basement watching TV when the news broke that the police had arrested Wayne Williams. I turned to my brother and said “they’ve got the wrong guy”. Later, in my senior year in college (1988-89), I took a class by my favorite history professor called “America’s Greatest Trials” or something like that. Each student, there were about 16 of us, would “teach” a class then lead a discussion on a famous American trial. Our professor had a list of trials he wanted to cover and asked us to rank our choices. If you wanted to go off-list, you had to make a pitch to him. I made a pitch about doing this case. He agreed it was worthwhile.

When I started researching it, the book that stood out the most was one called “The List” by Chet Dettlingler and Jeff Prugh (at Amazon here: http://www.amazon.com/List-Chet-Dettlinger/dp/0942894049). I could not find it anywhere, so I started calling 411 in Atlanta and surrounding cities and finally found Mr. Dettlinger’s home number. On a lark I called him and explained what I was doing. He sent me 3 autographed copies for free, one for me, one for my professor, and one to donate to the UK library. It was a fascinating read, and I still have the book on my shelf in my office.

Mr. Dettlinger was the former asst police chief in Atlanta. He was convinced that there was no one serial killer. Instead, the police and media let the story of young deaths take on a life of its own until the police had no choice but to nab a killer. The “murder victims” ranged from 8 to 28 and there were a wide array of methods by which these victims were killed. Williams was convicted of 2 murders based largely on fiber evidence. The police then closed the book on about 22 other open cases and attributed them to Williams. One of the cases really bothered me. 2 young boys, both seen at a party talking to a neighbor drug dealer who was not Williams. 2 boys leave around 10pm or so to walk home, as I recall. Both bodies are found in a field, several yards apart, with black hoods over their heads or something like that. The police attributed one of those victims to Williams and not the other.

In the TV movie about the case, Martin Sheen played Dettlinger.

At any rate, I have always been fascinated by this case and thought I would share with you fellow LR’ers.

When is this on CNN? As a little kid, there were 2 made for TV Movies that really stuck with me. One was this (I believe Morgan Freeman was in it?). I remember how at the trial, Williams came a across as a very quiet shy young man (one certainly not capable of murder), and basically the prosecuters got him to completely blow up, show his anger and “dark side” It was at that moment in the movie, where the jury started to believe it was him.

The other was the murder of Timothy McDonald’s family. McDonald was a doctor in the army. His family was brutally murdered in their home. They all died, blood everywhere, a heinous murder. McDonald lived. He was a doctor, none of his wounds were fatal. He claimed hippies came in and awoke him (sleeping on the couch). He initially got off, but McDonald’s wife’s father (played by Karl Malden) waged a one man crusade to go after McDonald (he just felt there were too many things that didn’t add up). He was eventually found guilty of murder. However, now there is DNA evidence which could have exonerated McDonald. Last I read he was trying to get a new trial. It was an incredibly sad, yet fascinating case.

I knew one of the MP’s that were present when they arrived and questioned McDonlad and he said 100% without a doubt the man was a cold blooded killer. He wasny0bragging but we were on the subject of OJ and he was curious if I knew about the case since it happened when I was young.

Arogant was how the movie made him out to be too. In fact, I think he also remarried like within a year or two. Which is pretty mind-boggling, don’t know how anyone who was innocent could just “move on” that fast.

Oops…Jeff Macdonald
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Arogant was how the movie made him out to be too. In fact, I think he also remarried like within a year or two. Which is pretty mind-boggling, don’t know how anyone who was innocent could just “move on” that fast.

he specifically mentioned the arrogance and the matter of fact way he handled everything aside from the evidence. It wasnt like he was in shock but more like it was well rehearsed.

Not to hijack your thread Blue…but this just made me so depressed and sick reading through this.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/16/48hours/main2580419_page2.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

It was fairly well believed that Williams did not get along with his attorneys and began trying to set up an ineffective counsel defense early on in the trial. The defense team had no funds, was cobbled together, and had very little time to prepare. But they were all capable lawyers. Williams was apparently very uncooperative with his defense.

So is the prevailing thought that Williams is innocent all-togehter.

And I was wrong it wasn’t DNA evidence that MacDonald argued. It was a once “hippie” who came out years later and said she may have been at the house, but she was also stoned out of her mind at that point in her life. MacDonald’s story is very similar to a Charles Manson type story.

Instead, the police and media let the story of young deaths take on a life of its own .

This is so true. I can remember watching the news every night and following the story.

No prob. Here’s some reading to get it back on track (from http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/williams/trial_12.html):

The defense team was severely handicapped by lack of funds and woefully insufficient time to interview hundreds of prosecution witnesses. They did not have the money to employ the quality of expert witnesses to rebut the vast laboratory findings of the FBI and Georgia crime bureau. Furthermore, the body of forensic evidence on fibers was an order of magnitude greater than what the defense had expected. The cornerstone of the prosecution’s case was the fiber evidence, which was highly technical and carried with it the prestige of the FBI laboratories. To successfully cast doubt on the fiber evidence, expensive, very high caliber expert testimony would have been required. Williams’ defense team simply didn’t have that kind of money.
Also, even though the defense team knew that the prosecution was going to bring in other cases besides the deaths of Cater and Payne, they didn’t know how many and which cases would be introduced. For a defense team short on time and short on money, this was a real problem. Dettlinger, who was on the defense team, states: “During the trial, we didn’t know who the next witness presented by the state would be – or what he or she would be testifying about.”
The “Brady” files is the body of information collected by the police and other forensic experts that points towards the innocence of the accused. By law, the prosecution must turn those Brady files over to the defense before the trial begins. The arbiter of what would be included in the Brady files and when it would be turned over was Judge Clarence Cooper, the D.A.‘s former protégé. Not surprisingly, the Brady files were withheld until the last possible minute.
For example, thirty-nine-year-old Jimmy Anthony was a neighbor who had known Nathaniel Cater and claimed to have seen him on the morning of May 23 – the day after Williams was pulled over for supposedly throwing Cater’s body off the bridge. Anthony said Cater told him that he had found a new job. One might suspect that Anthony was mistaken about the time that he had last seen Cater. Yet, three other witnesses, one, who had known Cater well, had also seen him after the bridge incident. Not one of these witnesses would later have a chance to testify in the Williams case. The jury would not be informed of the four witnesses who had seen Nathaniel Cater, as well as many other important suspects and witnesses connected with the case that would have cast doubt on Williams’ guilt.
Regarding the time of death of Nathaniel Cater, the defense brought in its own expert who lost credibility when he announced that Cater had been in the water for at least two weeks. Cater had not even been missing for two weeks. A similar thing happened when the defense’s expert estimated Jimmy Payne’s death.

And:

One of the most significant and controversial moments of the trial occurred during arguments and testimony concerning the linkage of similar fibers amongst the ten “pattern” cases to Cater and Payne’s murder. Investigators found on the bodies of the murdered victims fibers that were similar in appearance to carpet fibers found in Williams home and automobile. In total, there were twenty-eight fiber types linked to nineteen items from the house, bedroom and vehicles of Wayne Williams. Of interest to the prosecution were trilobal fibers, which the state contended, were of a rare variety. Fiber analysts speculated that the fibers found on the victims were most likely transferred to the victims from contact with Williams’s environment, thus connecting him to the murders. The prosecution contended that there were so many fiber matches between the Williams’ household and the victims that it was statistically impossible for the victims not to have been in Williams’ home and cars.
Controversy arose when the state failed to tell the jury that most of the fibers found on the victims were not rare. In fact, such carpet fibers could be found in many apartment building complexes, businesses and residential homes throughout the Atlanta region. Therefore, it would not be that unusual for the victims to have come in contact with trilobal type fibers. There was more controversy over the transference of such fibers. The state argued that fibers were transferred directly from Williams’s environment to the victims. Therefore, one must assume that if fibers could be transferred from Williams’s environment to the victims, then fibers from the victims clothing or living environment would naturally be found on Williams or in his home or car, especially, if they had been killed in his house or transported in his car, which the state believed to have happened. Yet, absolutely no evidence of hair or fibers from the victims was found in Williams’s house or car.
Later in the trial, the state informed jurors that five bloodstains had been found in the station wagon driven by Williams. Prosecutors claimed that the blood droplets matched in type and enzyme to the blood of victims William Barrett and John Porter. There was controversy among analysts as to the exact age of the droplets of blood found in the car. If the droplets occurred within an eight-week period, which one analyst believed, then it could have been likely that the blood came from Barrett and Porter who had died within that period. However, another analyst testified that it was virtually impossible to date the stains and if by any chance they had occurred outside of the eight-week frame then it was highly unlikely that the blood came from either victim.
When it came to the issue of motive, in the absence of any definitive evidence of sexual assault of the victims, the prosecution claimed that Wayne Williams hated black youths. Of course, this does not explain the murder of Nathaniel Cater who was 27-years-old – not really a youth – and several years older than Williams. Various people testified to remarks that Williams allegedly made over the years that criticized the behavior of black people and black youngsters in particular.
The defense called quite a number of witnesses. For example, they put the hydrologist on the stand that determined that it was “highly unlikely” that the body of Nathaniel Cater had been thrown off the Parkway bridge, considering where Cater’s body was found. The hydrologist was incensed that the county had pressured his colleague into changing his report to reflect just the opposite.
Also, the defense presented an expert witness who testified that there was no indication that either Cater or Payne had been murdered. One of the two victims had an enlarged heart and could have died of natural causes. Both or either men could have simply drowned. Cater was a known alcoholic and drug taker.

If you like cases of misjustice:

The murders at Robin Wood Hills (West Memphis three).

The Fells acres day care case in MA. This occurred in the mid 1980’s.
The most fascinating part of this case is that with
near certainty, no abuse ever occurred. It was all hysteria.

sounds interesting but scary.

You college class sounds AWESOME.

It was fun, but it was also 21 years ago so I could be remembering fondly through a haze of nostalgia and cheap beer.

Yeah, I remember the Day Care case. Perhaps the only thing remotely close to being worse than a child abuser is being labeled a child abuser when you don’t deserve it. You never get your reputation back it seems.

I watched the CNN show, I was inclined to believe the evidence was circumstantial until the end when O’Brien pulled the letter he wrote in his 20’s about being a trained CIA killer. He lost ALL credibility. She played him up for that moment. He was the killer, no doubt.

I have to say that last night he came across as a real sociopath or something. I also doubted his innocence last night. But this case never did fit the profile of serial killers. Nothing really linked these victims and the crimes were so dissimilar. I always wondered about the fiber evidence. If a body spends 2 or more days naked in a flowing dirty river, what fiber really remains that was on the body when it was first put in the water?

I was reading up on this case last night. I don’t know if I"ve read enough to sway my opinion of guilt, 4 primary reasons:

  1. His story for being on the bridge that night never checked out, and the girl who he said he was supposed to meet, never existed, nor was the telephone number he gave police. His story was extremely suspiscious to say the least. Unless the story was made up by the police.

  2. Testimony of some of his music clients that he showed up with cuts and bruises on his forearms seems really strange, and would be consistent with someing fending off a strangulation.

  3. His outburst at the trial, I think was telling of his physcopathic nature.

  4. I know there was a lot of fiber evidence, the fibers from the family dog, is pretty tough to overlook.

I also am having a hard time believing the Ku Klux Klan angle. Just having a hard time believing the a white man (or men) would be able to constantly get into some of the inner city areas of Atlanta with sticking out like a sore thumb.

I think best case, he may have been guilty of some of the murdres, but maybe not all.

Also read that in 2010 Scientists were able to match hair fibers on one of the bodies (not one of the two prosectued for), and in essence with 98% certainly matches Williams DNA sequence. Same thing with the dog hairs.

Also watched another report where one a witness (another African American) is 100% sure he saw Williams and one of the victims (and his co-worker) leaving a movie theater holding hands on the night of one of the murders.

For me there is just too much that adds up.

Read post 11 above again. There were 4 witnesses who saw the victim alive AFTER the bridge incident. Reading through this thread again has made me doubt his guilt again. I remember the hysteria in Atlanta at the time, and the seeming ineptitude of the police. They were under significant pressure to make this case go away. Even though the existence of a serial killer seems to have been manufactured by the media. Think of the violence in the inner city today, and then put that in a time before thug life and gangs became mainstream, but existed nonetheless. People couldn’t fathom the amount of violence and needed a connection.