Exactly.
When was the last time a 20 year old in Canada faced such a dire future? No hope of owning a home. Very unlikely to have a doctor. Businesses that hire immigrants are subsidized so you’re facing unfair competition in employment. There isn’t a whole heck of a lot of opportunity for people here anymore.
In Victoria, where I live, the average cost of a small condo is $500,000. Average wage is something like $60k/year. It’s absurd.
Wow to your last paragraph. That math doesn’t work. At all.
Whatever you may have heard about Canada’s housing crisis, I can assure you, the reality is much worse.
I’m optimistic that the US and Canada can work together to make things for both countries more positive. Mexico as well
I guess we will see
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You have to take into account this picture was taken after the makeover, including the “learn how to smile sincerely” lessons…
Just a general reply, Trudeau is done…and when the report on foreign interference comes out we may see the same fate for Pierre Polievre (opposition leader) up until this point the biggest thing PP had going for him was that everyone hated Trudeau.
It will be very interesting to see how he acts once JT is out of the picture.
There is a lot of conservative support amongst my work group (guys under 40, young families) I’m not sure how well they understand the things that will be cut if PP gets in (child tax benefit, 10$ a day daycare, dental, school food etc)…we work federally so got 12 sick days because of Trudeau…by by.
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Pierre will have a tough job no doubt. Canadians have gotten used to deep socialism. But we don’t have the economic base to sustain. On top of that we have the endless issue of our legacy with Native people. If Pierre can cut through red tape and get some natural resource development going on of consequence maybe we can get out of this mess. We could be sending natural gas in large quantities to the Far East and reducing their reliance on coal for instance. We could be getting world price instead of discounted American price for oil.
I agree that Trudeau is done.
Years ago Dalton McGuinty led the Liberals in Ontario and was Premier for 2 terms. A lot of shit happened on his watch so he did the responsible thing and fell on his sword. He resigned, taking responsibility for everything and paving the way for Kathleen Wynne. When the time came for her to do the same, she didn’t and the Liberals lost to Doug Ford.
Trudeau needs to do the same thing if the Liberals hope to win enough seats to have any sort of impact. I think that he will, but this time I’m not sure it’s going to make enough of a difference.
To be fair though you live on Victoria. It’s the Malibu of Canada. Median price of a townhome in Alberta is $250k which is still pretty crazy, but not as bad.
I like her spunk. I would love to see her take out Trudeau for party leadership.
But even if she did, she won’t win the next election. Same nonsense here as the U.S. People will vote for egg prices.
We’ll get the idiotic leader we deserve.
That is not what people are upset about.
Like you I admire the fact we still have politicians who are prepared to go against either their party or their party leader. In this case I believe she has buried her future ambitions along with the portfolio. There’s too many that kiss the ring in the PP,PC’s
While I have every respect for your personal political preferences, which will soon come to fruition lets be honest most PCs have been upset about just about everything since 2015… 
I have voted conservative in the federal election exactly once in my life. I wouldn’t call myself a conservative.
But the liberal party’s agenda has been really bad. I don’t think there’s any disputing that. They deserve the criticism. I’m not sure replacing Trudeau with someone who was close to Trudeau is the change we need. Whoever that person is will certainly have the stench of Trudeau all over them.
Am I thrilled about a conservative government? No. But I think they will provide the change we need in some areas for now and hopefully after a thorough ass whipping the liberals can re-emerge with a different approach. From my personal perspective, life was certainly better/more prosperous under Harper than Trudeau. Pollievre is Harper’s lap dog. I would expect a similar platform from him.
I have always voted Liberal. It’s a philosophy rather than “what’s in it for me” sort of thing. Price of eggs notwithstanding.
It’s been an interesting few years between Harper and Trudeau as far as performance goes. As the economics go, my three kids (all well under 40) bought houses during that period, two in the last five years and they live in Toronto and have never earned over $100,000. They did get a little bank of mum and dad help (repaid). The other and oldest, lives in Montreal, and truthfully he retired at 39, six years ago with “enough”. I retired twenty years ago with “enough”.
The Harper period had to contend with the economic crisis brought on by the debacle that was G.W.Bush and thanks to banking restrictions in Canada, which he tried initially to water down to match the American model, it lasted only 6 months and was gone. House prices in Toronto barely noticed it.
Obama spent the next 8 years getting the US back on track. During that time Harper shortchanged just about every part of the Canadian economy, it’s scientific research, climate change programs and indigenous peoples (MMIW), along with saving a billion on failing to spend the budget allotment for veterans (the famous "balanced budget of 2014-15).
My personal wealth doubled in that time period and house prices went through the roof. (jeeez I wish I had bought Bitcoin at a buck!)
Then along came “just not reaady” Trudeau. He has had to deal with Trump and his trillion dollar a year spending spree, tariffs, lumber war, a new trade deal, a collapsing world economy from Covid, a massive war in Ukraine and Israel, a completely altered economic model along with huge settlements for First Nations and massive oil patch subsidies. Yet somehow along with dressing like a fool in India, losing a wife, SNC-Lavalin, and living in a house that’s smaller than the leader of the loyal opposition, he and the rest of the government along with Jagmeet’s additional social program requirements, have managed, according to the IMF, to have the 2nd highest performance in the G7 for 2023-24 and look to lead in 2025.
Yeah the giveaway was probably the last straw…dumb move.
Chrystia is my MP, she will still get my vote no matter who leads the party. Trudeau won’t survive 2025.
ps Meanwhile, F*** me the US elected Trump!!!
She didn’t resign “over Trump”.
Her main objection as finance minister, which was the same objection as the last finance minister, is that Trudeau uses “gimmicks” to buy votes. He instituted a GST (consumption tax) holiday for a few months to get votes. That is causing a headache for retailers who have to re-program their systems and it will create new jobs at our tax department as they enforce the rules. He could have simply added 1 line to our tax returns to give everyone a credit.
Freeland was in charge of the NAFTA negotiations and dealt with Trump for years. His tariff threat is smoke and mirrors and is not the cause of Freeland quitting. Not everything you read in the headlines is accurate.
How? Houses in Toronto have been well over a million dollars during that time, if I’m not mistaken. Rent for even a modest apartment while saving for a down payment would have easily 40-50% of their take home pay at that income level.
Good for him. That is not the experience of the vast majority of Canadians.
Every government deals with the issues of the day. There are always war, squabbles, FN issues etc. COVID was certainly something and there are elements of his response that are totally valid to criticize.
And he did that by flooding the country with “temporary students” and immigrants at absurd numbers which have put immense pressure on housing, healthcare, and pretty much every public institution we have, and expanding the TFW program so Canadians looking for work are now competing against subsidized labour from abroad. Our GDP per capita is actually shrinking, and our unemployment is the highest it’s been in almost a decade if you exclude the COVID pause, all while price of living climbs at unsustainable rates, far surpassing wage growth.
And if you criticized this, the liberals would call you a racist.
If our economy is doing so well, why is Canada dealing with a massive capital flight issue? Why are foreign investments in Canada down so much? A recent survey by the Business Council of Canada showed a majority of CEOs (I think it was 7 in 10 IIRC) said investment in Canada has gotten worse over the last 5 years. The world bank previously ranked us as 4th easiest country to do business in. Now we are 16th. That’s a big drop in 10 years.
I’m not sure how much of this winning we can take.
If all of the things you are describing were happening in a vacuum that only applied to Canada I would agree with you. But reality is it isn’t. Look at every European economy, they are equal disasters (if not worse). Look at the principal reasons that the Democrats lost, because Trump blew every dog whistle there was and people voted against their own best interests as they will do here.
Most complainers seem to have failed to look around at the rest of the world. As for industrial capital flows, take a look at what countries are laying out the welcome mat and how and should we be doing the same considering the uproar when any Premier does. It’s a cornucopia of freebies everywhere. Ireland is literally breaking every EU rule. Others are only trying to.
Canada is in a unique position in the world as far as unwanted immigration and control of our borders. We get to pick the richest and brightest, most (if not all) of the time and we are complaining. We have always had low cost imported seasonal workers. Jobs no Canadian would work because provincial minimum wage limits made them unattractive to Canadians and corporations took advantage. There’s a reason MacDonald’s and Tim Hortons don’t use students, because they can save a buck on TFW workers. That has never been addressed by any Federal or Provincial government. But having said that try being on the southern border, try being 21 miles from France, try having an overland influx such that people are using bikes to enter illegally thru the artic, the list goes on and on. And again reality, none of them look like me. The world is changing as populations shift. Get used to being a minority. Not everyone gets to be happy about it. But then I’m not Frederick Charles Blair.
Many economies in Europe have a higher unemployment rate than Canada. And while you are looking up the statistics include those “not looking for work.” In England they outnumber the unemployed (9.3 million versus official 1.5 million unemployed).
We won’t agree because we have different world views. And quite honestly you will get your wish regarding government and I will get a better return on investment, which I won’t need but my children will like, when, like all boomers, I “age out” in the next decade.
And yes I still consider living in Canada as winning.
I’m sorry but this just does not jive with reality. At all.
And there it is. Listen, I’d have the same complaints if we were bringing in 1-1.5 million swedes a year. I don’t care what colour their skin is. There’s only one reason for you to make that comment, it is to insinuate racism, and I have an incredibly low tolerance for that kind of accusation.
How again did your kids afford million+ dollar homes in Toronto while their take home pay would have been under $75k/yr (100k gross)?