Talk to me about the track

There is a Velodrome not too far from me and I’m planning on doing a little riding there come spring. I know that they rent bikes (I assume with toe clips), but I was also thinking about building a SS/fixie to take up with me.

So some questions about track bikes/riding

  1. Are all track bikes fixed gear or single speed?
  2. What does track bike geometry look like? aka is all I’m looking for in a track frame horizontal dropouts?
  3. When to use drops and when to use aero bars (called pursuit? @ the track?)
  4. Can I use my fancy Zipp 303’s on the track with some kind of conversion freewheel body?
  5. If I build my own bike will the track have classifications that will limit how I race the bike?

Anything else I should know?

Go to the track and take a learn to ride course. There are a few things to know about track etiquette and technique that aren’t easy to pick up just by watching.

~All track bikes are fixed gear (no freewheel).
~Don’t even think about riding aero bars until you’ve logged some time on the boards.
~Don’t bother with nice wheel for the first little while, but Zipp makes a conversion kit for their hubs that should allow you to convert that wheel.
~Get some experience with the rental bikes and by talking to other trackies before you go looking to build/buy. Depending on what discipline you decide to focus on, the bikes can vary a fair bit. If you don’t get crazy, a “standard” track bike ought to be just fine.

Overall, just get out and ride - riding track is a hell of a lot of fun!

Here are some of my thoughts on your questions:

  1. Are all track bikes fixed gear or single speed?
    Yes, although alone there is no reason you couldn’t ride a geared bike on the track, in a group it becomes much more dangerous.

  2. What does track bike geometry look like? aka is all I’m looking for in a track frame horizontal dropouts?
    If you are riding a track steeper than about 20 degrees, you’ll want a true high BB steep angled track bike. Look for BB drop around 6cm or less and head angles around 74 degrees

  3. When to use drops and when to use aero bars (called pursuit? @ the track?)
    Almost always use drop bars. TT type bars are for riding alone typically.

  4. Can I use my fancy Zipp 303’s on the track with some kind of conversion freewheel body?
    Zipp does not use a conversion cassette for this wheel, the front could be ok if the track was big (333M+)

  5. If I build my own bike will the track have classifications that will limit how I race the bike?
    Depends - a fixed gear road bike is not the ideal bike, but certainly could be raced.

Anything else I should know?
Track is lots of fun, read through the beginner forums links at www.fixedgearfever.com and ask questions.

Regards,

-SD

Go to the track and take a learn to ride course. There are a few things to know about track etiquette and technique that aren’t easy to pick up just by watching.<<

What Khai said. I’m guessing most places won’t let you on the track without doing so. At our track, you have to do three of the beginner sessions before you can race. And you start out racing only on one night and you need a certain number of races to race on the other night.

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  1. My local track does not allow road bike conversions. Due to the lower BB and chance of sticking a peddle in the bank and causing a pile up. Also brakes are not allowed at all. You have to disconnect the lines if you have them.

In my experience, racing on the track is THE single fastest way to get proficient at sprinting technique/tactics.

On to the questions (which have already been answered for the most part, but I’ll put my spin on it anyway).

  1. Are all track bikes fixed gear or single speed?
    Fixed only for any mass-start event. you * might * be able to do a SS freewheel for individual TT/pursuit at the local level.

  2. What does track bike geometry look like? aka is all I’m looking for in a track frame horizontal dropouts?
    It’s more than just horizontal dropouts. High BB, steep (generally) front end, not a lot of rake in the fork.

  3. When to use drops and when to use aero bars (called pursuit? @ the track?)
    Aero bars are for pursuit or Kilo only. Pretty rare for beginner track riders to have these events.

  4. Can I use my fancy Zipp 303’s on the track with some kind of conversion freewheel body?
    As long as it’s fixed, you can use pretty much any wheel.

  5. If I build my own bike will the track have classifications that will limit how I race the bike?
    Depends on the track and the refs.

No brakes

Fixed gear

Please avoid aerobars until you know what you’re doing

If it’s like ours, you can rent a bike, but bring your own pedals. Ours do NOT have toe clips.

IMO, i wouldn’t buy or build ANYTHING until I had some experience up there and with track bikes in general.

Please, please, please take an intro class and watch some races before you get out there. Our drome offers a 4 or 5 week course throughout the summer that people are supposed to take before they race. It’s once a week, and teaches you not only the fundamentals of fixed gear riding, but also (and more importantly) how to ride on a track, what racing on a track in a pack with a fixie means, what track etiquette and rules you need t know, what the races are, beginning strategy, and some track-specific handling skills.

Riding on the track is an absolute blast (even if you suck like I do :p)…but it can be dangerous. NO ONE wants you out there until you know what you’re doing. I’ve been riding at ours for four seasons, and I still learn stuff every single time I race. Oddly enough, this past year is the first year the women have really had any problems with crashing…and I think it’s due, in part, to some newbies who don’t know what they’re doing and in a hurry to get out there and then go and try some move they aren’t ready for (or that just isn’t a good idea).

So be safe, have fun, and certainly go check it out! The track ROCKS!!!

I went on Saturday. Here’s my report I wrote for some people who are thinking about going. I’m going back next Saturday!
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I went to the velodrome about 5 years ago and it was so fun. But, it’s an hour away and trying to fit it in with triathlon training didn’t work too well. Fast forward to this year and I decided that I wanted to go back and try it again. Especially since Masters Nationals will be at that velodrome in September and I want to race then.

The forecast for Saturday was rain, but in the morning when I got up, it wasn’t raining, but it was COLD (like 39F in San Jose). I got down there and teammates Jeff and Ashley were there, plus about 12 other people. Most had some experience but there were a few with limited experience. We got signed in, got the rental bikes and then went over some rules of the track and what the different lines on the track were for. Everyone was freezing so we got started and did a 40 lap warmup which was a rotating paceline, starting out easy, but ramping it up every 10 laps, with 10 to go supposed to be hard, 5 to go really hammering and the last lap as hard as you could go. (Five laps to the mile on this track.) I felt pretty good and everyone stayed together until about 10 laps to go and I got gapped and off the back and shortly thereafter, the whole paceline split apart and we all finished at our own speed.

About riding the bikes…they are fixed gear bikes with no brakes. What that means is that you have to constantly pedal and if you stop, the cranks keep moving and about rip your legs off! You really only do that once. It also makes getting started and then stopped quite the adventure since you can’t clip in, coast and clip in the other leg. It’s clip in and try to clip in the other foot as the pedal is going around. Stopping is just as fun–you slow way down and unclip one foot and when you are going real slow, you can actually use your quads in the still-clipped in leg and stop the bike and step down.

After the warm up and catching our breath, we spit up into smaller groups and did some paceline work and then some “follow the leader” going up and down the embankments and getting a feel of how different areas of the track felt. To slow down on the track, you just move up.

Once people starting feeling better on the bikes, we did some races, which was fun. There were three gals with limited or no experience (me, teammate Ashley and a gal named Lindy), two experienced gals who race and were very helpful, then 10 guys, most with experience and two who were really good. I don’t remember all the races we did, but the first was a 10 lap race (3-man pursuit, I think). It was really hard to try and go hard for 10 laps. I liked the 1-2 lap races!

The other thing that was really tricky was starting from the rail. You go to the top of the wall and you are clipped in and hold on to the rail and start from a dead stop, pushing yourself off the wall. Hmmm. This will take a lot of practice. I was slow getting off the wall every time and it’s a little nerve wracking to push yourself off, head the bike down the track and then grab the other handlebar.

Another race we did was the Italian pursuit. We had 4 people and you all start together and the first person does one lap and peels off, then the next person peels off after two laps, the third after three and the last person ends up riding four laps against the other fourth person. I volunteered to go first. ha

There were some others and we did some races more than once and mixed up teams and then we did some sprint drills. We rode around in groups of 4 and instead of a paceline, we rode 4 abreast and when the whistle was blown we had to sprint until he blew it again. And some sprints were up out of the saddle (and you’re down in your drops), and other sprints were seated. Plus, the length of the sprint varied. And, you kept rotating spots on the track–low in the sprinting lane up to higher up the track, almost to the wall.

The last race we did was the Australian pursuit. There are 32 light poles at the track and we were each sent to a different light pole, via a handicap system. When the whistle was blown, you went as hard as you could until someone passed you, then you were out. Well, I got a really slow start off the wall and got caught by the fastest guy pretty quick. Actually all three of us gals got caught pretty fast. But that race was fun. Once that was finished, it was about time to go, so we packed up and that was it.

You need three Saturday beginner sessions before you can race, so I need two more. I’m thinking about going next Saturday as there are races in the afternoon, so it will be fun and beneficial to watch some real races. I can’t wait!

  1. yes/yes

  2. A standard mass start type steel track bike will get you through the first few years. They are not “fixies”. The geometry and handling is very different. Because the track is banked, you don’t steer through the corners, the bike continues to go “straight” down the track. The steering is quicker and the BB is higher. The seat angle is usually 74 deg to get you in more of a sprint position.

  3. Drops for beginners and almost all events except TTs.

  4. If it’s worth breaking them, go ahead. Other than that standard 32 spoke wheels work fine.

  5. Not really. It’s either mass start legal or not. Mass start legal is standard drop bars, no QRs, no brakes, fixed gear. TT is same except handlebars can be aero. Basically, leave your skewers, freewheels and brakes at home.

If you are on a track with a steep bank, you will want to make sure your pedals won’t hit going through the turns slow. The higher BB and 170 or shorter cranks will keep you out of trouble here on pretty much any track. Some officials or track monitors will check this if you come in with a road frame since they don’t want the track getting dinged up from pedal strikes.

Take your own pedals and shoes. Don’t worry about toe straps. One day when you’re a monster match sprinter you may need them, until then whatever you’re using on your road bike is fine. Most trackies are on clipless now and some add double straps, but old fashioned clips are waning. I just use SPD-SLs just like on my road and TT bike only with the tension cranked up.

You’ll have to take a development course and any other questions will be answered then. If you want to race with a USA Cycling license, you’ll need to talk to the officials and get your license endorsed as track cat 4. I can’t remember if you have to race once or if the development course is required. I did it a long time ago.

250m, 44deg tracks really rock compared to longer, shallower corners. Houston is boring compared to Frisco!

I love our 250 track :slight_smile: And I will love it even more this year, now that i ditched my 170 cranks. :slight_smile:

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Are you talking about the London velodrome? (only indoor one in your area I think)

If so the bikes they rent are quite nice and you bring your own pedals and shoes.

Saturday was trip number two to the velodrome for the beginner’s training session. (Three needed before you can race.) There are four different people who put on the sessions, each taking one week per month, and they all run the sessions just a bit differently. Lindy and Jake, two of the people we rode with a lot last Saturday, were there again. Also there were my teammates Eduardo and his 11 year old son Christian. Since the weather was much better this week (65F and sun v. 45F and threats of rain), there were lots of people there. Note to self: Leave early to be one of the first to arrive to get the bike you want. I got there a little late and was stuck with a bike that was the right size, but with a stem that was way too long so I was seriously stretched out and that position gave me saddle issues too. I think my own track bike is on the horizon…

We did the standard 40 lap warm up, but with that many people, it quickly became a mess. There were too many people who would get to the front of the paceline and hit the gas. After the warm up, we did 4-5 man pursuit. The purpose of the pursuit exercise was to learn to ride on a wheel and pull off and get back on the paceline correctly. Well, the first two groups of guys started and bust out hammering and blew their groups apart, which pretty much defeated the purpose of the exercise so the instructor had to give the speech (it’s a training exercise, not a race). I rode with Jake and Lindy and another guy and we kept together pretty well. After a few times of this, it was on to something else.

I don’t remember everything that we did, but my favorite was the 200 meter sprint drills. You come off the rail and just hammer. Well, that’s in the race, but not quite it for the training. The exercise we did was two people roll out from the back straight and ride one lap around the stayers line, picking up speed until you hit the 200 meter mark, then you drop down to the sprint lane and ride like hell, the back person trying to come around and pass the front rider. Then get back in line and switch places the next time. Fun, fun, fun!!

We also did the elbow and shoulder bumping drill and then we tried pushing our partner from their hip, similar to what you do in a Madison race. I was fine being pushed, but I need a lot of work trying to push.

This week we also did the Australian pursuit, which we did last week–where everyone starts on a different light pole and on the whistle everyone goes and tries to catch the person in front of them and not be passed by the person behind. Once you are passed, you are out. Last person on the track wins. I did much better this week and made it an entire lap and I was thisclosetopassing the guy in front of me when we both got passed by one of the gals who was a very strong rider.

After the session ended, I rode another 15-20 minutes, then turned the bike back in, changed, had a bite to eat and sat in the grass on the infield with some of my teammates who were there to race.

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It was nice and sunny and warm–shorts and sleeveless shirt weather. Saturday afternoon was a race fundraiser to send the PROMAN team to Europe to race some UCI races, so the racing was fast and serious, but a nice mellow vibe too. They had music and a BBQ going and a keg and a nice crowd. There was the A’s scratch race, then points races for the C’s, B’s and then A’s. Each group had quite a few people and it was good to watch how the whole racing thing worked.

The next trip to the track will be in three weeks, then in mid-March, I’m going to do a “learn to race” clinic which is a little more advanced than the beginner’s sessions. Then, in April, racing begins! (I think). Can’t wait!

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The whole “having to get there like two hours before you need to so you can get a bike” was the reason I got my own :slight_smile: It is SO much nicer to have your own bike and not have to fuss with stuf–changing saddle height, putting on pedals, worrying about if it will fit right, etc.

What size track do you have? It looks fairly shallow (? non-steep?), so I’m guessing it’s bigger than ours…

NICE - that looks like an awesome track (as long as the weather’s good)! :slight_smile:

I’ve hardly been out at all this year… Early season it was due to a neck problem (couldn’t turn my head to shoulder check) and recently due to a XC skiing focus. I really need to quit my job so I can focus my time on all the fun things…

For some reason I thought you already had a track bike though… I guess a P2T is now in the works?

It’s 300-something meters (5 laps to the mile) and has somewhat of a banking. It doesn’t look that steep in these pictures, but when you are sitting on the rail, it is. Not as steep as one like the LA indoor one.

And Khai–I’m getting one sometime in the near future. My team will have a deal for a really good one (so Ben promises me) for a great price. Full build. He hasn’t told me which company though.

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That’s awesome. We really need a velodrome in Austin…