Superbowl vs. Ironman World Championships: Compare and Contrast

I’ve neither played American football nor do I consider myself a football fan. I am a triathlete though.

This being the case I did watch part of the Superbowl last night and was fascinated by it. Specifically:
The level of situational awareness during the game is phenomenal. It would seem everyone is aware of everything that happens. The instant replay capability is fascinating- not sure how this would apply in our sport except the video analysis of bike postion and running stride. These guys are fit, and big. I have never seen such large men run so fast and with such agility. How do they survive those impacts? When one of us falls off our bikes and hits the pavement we’re usually on the way to emergency room. These guys hitting each other looked like a small car accident. How do they survive? They get right up, completely unscathed… Coaches of every type in constant communication with the players. We have coaches in our sport but no communication with them during the event. Perhaps this is part of the fabric of our sport (I believe it is). However, are we close to a day when coaches travel to events with their athletes and give them pointers during the race as we see from the sidelines in American football? The culture of the sport is upside down to me: You and I can go to “our” big show- the Ironman or 70.3 World Championship, but the Superbowl is absolutely elite- no fan will ever play in the big game. This being the case, how have they created such a culture of specators? How do *we *do that in *our *sport so that on Ironman Saturday every midwestern town is basically shut down to watch the big race and cheer on their genuine home-town heroes?
In general I thought it was an incredbile spectacle with a lot to be learned by our sport- I’m just not certain what the lessons are. Help me out here…

It takes something amazing to bring swim-bike-run to the mainstream that we see for sports like football.

FWIW, Phelps did that in the Olympics. Lance did that on the Tour. The media has done a good job engaging these people/events, but past those performance there is no investment to keep the sports on the big stage.

Some simple quick differences -

Football (or other spectator sports) you can watch the entire game in first person. Triathlon - you see them go by one (or just a handful) time(s), then what?
Football - scantily-clad hot cheerleaders. Triathlon - not.
Football - plenty of beer. Triathlon - not.

Until the IM “World Championships” are live, this is a non starter. That is half th fun of the super bowl. Not knowing what could happen.

I’ve neither played American football nor do I consider myself a football fan. I am a triathlete though.
The culture of the sport is upside down to me: You and I can go to “our” big show- the Ironman or 70.3 World Championship, but the Superbowl is absolutely elite- no fan will ever play in the big game. This being the case, how have they created such a culture of specators? How do *we *do that in *our *sport so that on Ironman Saturday every midwestern town is basically shut down to watch the big race and cheer on their genuine home-town heroes?

 Those two statements are why you don't "get it". :D

Almost every kid in America played football. Whether touch in the park, Pop Warner, smear the queer, whatever. They played the game. And, when it’s just for fun, most of them say “Well, I’m gonna be Kurt Warner today, you be Fitzgerald and I’ll hit you with a pass!” Same applies for baseball and basketball. They are games that you need some room and a ball (and maybe a bat and a glove) and you can play. Anytime, almost anywhere.

They are the games that people played on the playground and in little league for years growing up. While 99% of them will never even make it to the college level, they’ve played it, they follow it and have fun watching it because they understand the game and what it takes to be that good, and there is always that little nagging voice of “Well, I could have”, and/or “My son/daughter will…”

Now, add to that the billions of dollars that support these sports, college scholarships, etc etc. and you have even more incentive.

Until they are doing transition training during recess, you’ll never see that for triathlon.

John

I’ve neither played American football nor do I consider myself a football fan. I am a triathlete though.
The culture of the sport is upside down to me: You and I can go to “our” big show- the Ironman or 70.3 World Championship, but the Superbowl is absolutely elite- no fan will ever play in the big game. This being the case, how have they created such a culture of specators? How do *we *do that in *our *sport so that on Ironman Saturday every midwestern town is basically shut down to watch the big race and cheer on their genuine home-town heroes?

Those two statements are why you don’t “get it”. :smiley:

Almost every kid in America played football. Whether touch in the park, Pop Warner,** smear the queer**, whatever. They played the game. And, when it’s just for fun, most of them say “Well, I’m gonna be Kurt Warner today, you be Fitzgerald and I’ll hit you with a pass!” Same applies for baseball and basketball. They are games that you need some room and a ball (and maybe a bat and a glove) and you can play. Anytime, almost anywhere.

They are the games that people played on the playground and in little league for years growing up. While 99% of them will never even make it to the college level, they’ve played it, they follow it and have fun watching it because they understand the game and what it takes to be that good, and there is always that little nagging voice of “Well, I could have”, and/or “My son/daughter will…”

Now, add to that the billions of dollars that support these sports, college scholarships, etc etc. and you have even more incentive.

Until they are doing transition training during recess, you’ll never see that for triathlon.

John
HAHA my wife and I were talking about that last week, in this current PC world do kids still call it that? We used to play every day after school.

Tom, when you have a willing and complicit media, you can do anything.

HOward Cosell wrote 3 books that I am aware of, and in all three, he spends a lot of time talking about how every time he did a piece that wasn’t flattering to the NFL, he got a call from Pete Rozelle. Or a visit. All the time, to “present their side of the story”, and in not so many words, suggest he may not have his credentials to cover the next event. Now, since he was Howard Cosell, you know darn well there wasn’t a snowball’s chance in hell he wasn’t getting credentials, but if they do this to him, how many people have caved and kept their coverage positive? The NFL monitors everything written about them.

If someone doesn’t think the NFL doesn’t get positive press, there are more than a few curious items.

The biggest is steroids. The sports media latched on to steroids in baseball, basically deciding it was going to be their Watergate. Now, I’m not here to argue what help steroids do or do not give a baseball player, but there is no way you can think that steroids can’t help a football player. All the reasons given for why they needed to be rooted out of baseball, and why the media had to conduct their investigations(witchhunts was more like it), apply just as much to football as they do to baseball. Yet, there is no investigation going on in the NFL. Apparently it is absolutely normal for a 6’4" guy to weigh 260 pounds and run a 4.5 40. A guy hits 50 home runs and he must be on something, but that linebacker is just training, sayin’ his prayers and eatin’ his vitamins?

Spygate: Plenty was made about it when it first came out. The league issued an edict not to tape signs, and the Patriots violated it. They got fined and lost a draft pick. And then Roger Goodell destroyed the tapes. Destroyed the tapes, right then and there. No chance that anything could ever come up again. And Goodell’s grilling for doing this is scheduled for the day after never. Then Matt Walsh, former employee, says he has evidence that the Patriots taped the Rams walk through before the Super Bowl. All kinds of song and dance, there is finally a meeting, Goodell comes out immediately afterwards, says “he had nothing new”, and the story is dropped. Really? First of all it’s tough to say that it’s nothing new when you don’t even have the existing evidence to compare it to. Secondly, just like that, bam you take the word of a guy who had to quickly destroy the evidence of the issue that got this ball rolling without so much as a question?

Gambling: A lot get smade about how football is head and shoulders above every other sport in America in popularity. It’s popular no question. But it’s always about the “purity of the game”, the “mano-a-mano competition”, the “true spirit of the gridiron” that drives this interest. Of course, it’s never about the elephant in the room that the NFL states it wants no part of, but makes sure that proper information is available to them, to the point of fining people who file false injury reports: gambling. It is never acknowledged that a very large percentage of the “fans” of the NFL would have no interest at all if there was no money riding on picking the winner or the point total.

Not only that, but the NFL controls and packages what gets sent out with its NFL films arm. Games are not rebroadcast in their entirety, they are packaged into a nice show with a proper reverence in the narrator’s tone. Plus, anything that does not further the image can be conveniently edited out.

These are just some of the examples of how the media views the NFL. Given that backdrop, it does not take much to figure out that if you decide to hype something, and have a willing “distribution network” as described above, you can get a lot of traction when it comes to glorifying the Super Bowl as something more than a football game.

If you can get the media to ignore drug problems, and glorify the mystique of IMH to the same degree, you can see similar results. It takes years and year and years though.

“Football (or other spectator sports) you can watch the entire game in first person. Triathlon - you see them go by one (or just a handful) time(s), then what?”


Totally true. I agree. The one thing that stands in opposition to our observation is the Tour de France, where the actual race passes in a matterof seconds but people fins a way to make an entire day of sitting out watching the race caravan go by and having a picnic and the like. I wonder how we’d create that in our sport?

The basic difference as it relates to spectacle is one is very exciting to watch for 3 hours while the other is not exciting to watch for 10 hours.

For the general viewing audience, you’re probably right. There is a segment of the population who sits in lfront of their computer and watches Ironman from swim start to race win and even to midnight finisher on Ironman live.com. I’m one of those guys…

…Coaches of every type in constant communication with the players. We have coaches in our sport but no communication with them during the event. Perhaps this is part of the fabric of our sport (I believe it is). However, are we close to a day when coaches travel to events with their athletes and give them pointers during the race as we see from the sidelines in American football? …

That does happen already. If you watch the replay of the last world championship that Normann won, you can hear his coach yelling out in German some pointers during the race. And Paulo also does it.

but people fins a way to make an entire day of sitting out watching the race caravan go by and having a picnic and the like. I wonder how we’d create that in our sport?

Doesn’t that already happen in Germany? 500,000 spectators for IM Germany, over 100,000 for Challenge Roth?

I’ve neither played American football nor do I consider myself a football fan. I am a triathlete though.

This being the case I did watch part of the Superbowl last night and was fascinated by it. Specifically:
The level of situational awareness during the game is phenomenal. It would seem everyone is aware of everything that happens. Yep The instant replay capability is fascinating- not sure how this would apply in our sport except the video analysis of bike postion and running stride. Not really applicable to endurance events…only head-to-head competitions These guys are fit, and big. I have never seen such large men run so fast and with such agility.** Sort of…notice that 99 yard interception return? That big guy had to be on oxygen. Notice how long it took him to get up? Very strong yes, even fast for a few seconds. But not as fit as you presume.** How do they survive those impacts? When one of us falls off our bikes and hits the pavement we’re usually on the way to emergency room. These guys hitting each other looked like a small car accident. How do they survive? They get right up, completely unscathed…** They are young, heavily muscled, and well padded.** Coaches of every type in constant communication with the players. We have coaches in our sport but no communication with them during the event. Perhaps this is part of the fabric of our sport (I believe it is). However, are we close to a day when coaches travel to events with their athletes and give them pointers during the race as we see from the sidelines in American football?…This could be great…especially if the coach is seeing real-time telemetry from the athlete…ie heart rate and power output as well as pacing from a GPS transmitter…but imagine what it would be like during an IronMan race. Coach says to athlete during 5 hour bike ride…“keep it up. Good job… Keep it up. Hungry yet?” The culture of the sport is upside down to me: You and I can go to “our” big show- the Ironman or 70.3 World Championship, but the Superbowl is absolutely elite- no fan will ever play in the big game. This being the case, how have they created such a culture of specators? How do we do that in our sport so that on Ironman Saturday every midwestern town is basically shut down to watch the big race and cheer on their genuine home-town heroes? That’s because fans have a hometown association. If we had State or City triathlon teams and we scored the races as a team sport it could create some of this excitement.
In general I thought it was an incredbile spectacle with a lot to be learned by our sport- I’m just not certain what the lessons are. Help me out here…

That segment is small and is the basic reason for the contrast between the two.

Excellent and comprehensive response.

How do they survive those impacts? When one of us falls off our bikes and hits the pavement we’re usually on the way to emergency room. These guys hitting each other looked like a small car accident. How do they survive? They get right up, completely unscathed…

I wouldn’t say completely unscathed. When I played HS football, I broke and dislocated my pinky finger, sprained my middle fingers on both hands, was unable to turn my head to the left after one particularly physical practice (ouch), regularly left practice bleeding from my shins or forearms, etc. I had many, many teammates who got concussions.

There are certain rules designed to prevent injuries—no spearing, no hitting in the back (except the ball carrier), etc.—but they don’t cover everything.

In general I thought it was an incredbile spectacle with a lot to be learned by our sport- I’m just not certain what the lessons are. Help me out here…

Football is a fan based sport. Triathlon is a participation sport.

Football moves fast, keeps fans entertained. Triathlon is slow moving and not very entertaining.

Football teams are regional, making an instant loyal fan base. Essentially you root for your uniforms.

Football is physically competitive. Triathletes are “skinny”, competition is not “perceived” as tough or “macho”.

Football players tend to be “in it for the money”. Triathletes compete for the love of the sport.

Ok let’s compare:

  • one has incredibly huge guys, the other is filled with skinny weaklings
  • one has very fast guys that collapse after 100 yards, the other has guys and gals that run for hours after a 5-6 hours warm-up
  • one is mostly black, the other is mostly white
  • one has all sorts of huge different tattoos, the other harbours pretty much the same one
  • guys from one have advanced arthritis and physical problems by age 50, guys and gals from the other do Ironman at the same age
    -one has yet to see women, the other is full of good looking one

Francois in Montreal
.

  • one has very fast guys that collapse after 100 yards, the other has guys and gals that run for hours after a 5-6 hours warm-up

    Ok, y’all need to get off that kick. He’s a defensive lineman. He’s not that fast comparatively speaking, nor should he be. That isn’t his job. His job is to stand in front of people and knock them down. The runningbacks, receivers, tight ends can all run 100 yards incredibly fast and not need oxygen.

He didn’t run 100 yards because he was lighting fast. He ran it because he got good blocking and terrible tackling attempts from the offensive guys.

John

Hmm, all good points. Your point about teams being regional is particularly well taken.

I thought it was interesting that a largely uninitiated fellow like myself could be interested in the game. I think that was a function of the hype surrounding it, the zany commercials and the very good quality of the coverage.