Specialized Customer service is the worst

I will post the whole story as I get a change to write it (in the next day or so)

Cliffs Notes Version

They lied to my local dealer - many times

Did not ship a bike they said they shipped (odd they could not track it)

Did not ship the right frame (color) that they claimed they shipped

I called them as a consumer to find out the story - they talked bad about their own dealer (called them “not a more reputable dealer”) - even if that was true - you dont say that.

And on and on and on. To their credit, I finally got someone in customer service who gives a damn and is shipping me a frame Next Day air…but he is the one and only who seems to give a damn.

What kind of frame was it?

Hopefully they don’t ship it to the bike store that got your last UPS mix-up!

Chris

Chip–Trouble is your middle name.

I’m not sure the bike companies would stay in business were it not for your spending habits. I think you buy as many bikes as Tom D!

Not that there is a problem with that, it just makes me laugh.

Gee Thanks! tell me NOW. I just arrived home with a new pair of Specialized shoes.

J

You have nothing to worry about with the shoes!

A word of caution though, they are very durable shoes but if your new shoes use ‘Body Geometry’ insoles with the special varus wedge… Well lets just say that if you ever ride/get caught in the rain and need to dry the onsoles, make sure they are no located next to a source of high heat (um, like heater fllor vents in the rear cargo area of an Expedition). I did not realize that I had done this after the wife and I got caught in a winter rain storm (temps in 40’s) last year and during the hour long drive home, we were shivering from the rain and had the heat on high. The flow of hot air from the trucks heater apparently caused the gel in the varus wedge to expand, deform, and invert. Bike shop/Specialized warrantied the insoles without question although at the time I, um, had not yet realized that the car heater was the reason for the insole deformation.

Dude, that sucks. I am a big Specialized fan (my new S-works is sitting in the bike shop waiting for me) and I have had nothing but good luck with them here in AZ. Maybe Landis (my LBS) is a big part of why I’ve had good luck with Specialized.

So, what frame did you order?

Alan

Was it the stink of the feet what did them in ??? Who is to blame then ? ha ha .

Dirt
Ps. my feet ain’t that way

Thanks Michael, I would’ve done the same thing with my Tahoe and yes they have the varus wedge.

Ah, nothing like the voice of experience.

J

BUmmer about your experience. Mine was quite opposite on a warrenty matter. I cracked a two year old stumpjumper full suspension frame and they not only warrenteed it without issue, they ‘upgraded’ me to an S-Works frame. It was a few weeks (3 at most) between the beginning of the process and my dealer recieving the frame.

Part of the ‘problem’ is that the Specialized dealer that I got the bike from is no longer a Specialized dealer. There were 3 other Specialized dealers in the city I live in as well…they also stopped selling Specialized and instead picked up Giant, Orbea, Scott and some others (as well as still selling Trek and what not). So, Specialized said “no problem” on the warranty - we will ship you a bike (to the dealer). Call tag arrived to take the broken frame from there back to Salt Lake City…but the new bike never made it. Called (LBS called) time and time again and was told “it shipped” then “it shipped on the 31st” but…no one could track it. Specialized stopped returning calls to the LBS - so I called them. A couple times I got "I will check it out and call you back - no call back. I finally called them and would not let them get rid of me…if they wanted to call back “I will hold” is the only answer they would get from me. They finally admit that the bike did not ship - and said that they would not ship the bike to my LBS cause they were not a dealer (though they sold me the bike, and was a dealer till just a couple months ago). So, they tell me that they will ship a bike to my next closest dealer - who happens to be over an hour drive from my house. So at this point I want to know a few things… If they did not ship the bike - why did they say they did? If they were not going to ship a new bike to my shop - why did they sent the call tag there? Why did they not ever return my calls, nor the calls from the LBS?

So - now I get to drive an hour (each way) to a shop that I have never been to - so I can just swap frames. I am going to build it up myself and Specialized just seemingly wanted to make things difficult for me and or the LBS. I have heard from more than one Specialized dealer that they just make it hard to do business with them - and that is why they are no longer selling the Specialized products…seems to ring true to me. I trust the owner of my LBS like family - he is a straight shooter who goes out of his way for everyone that is ever in his store. He tells me that he did ask about warranty work when he stopped being a dealer and was told no problem - and not only that, the other shops in town would not have a problem either (one shop stops selling their bike, could be the shop - 3 in the same city at the same time…huh…).

So…I guess off I go - I will probably spend $30.00 on gas, and not charge my clients for my time as I drive (so at $125.00 an hour I will loose $375.00 + gas + wear on my tires + my extra time to build the bike)…in the end, this is all shit.

I’ve ordered a lot from Specialized and have never had a problem. Customer service was always nice, prices are great and they make a great product!

I’ve had nothing but excellent customer sevice from Specialized…

~kern~

That has always been my experiance with them as well…they IMO just want to dig in their heels and not send a bike to any “Former” dealers…to hell with the customer I guess…

Sounds like an issue that’s between the local dealer and Specialized rather than you and Specialized.

You ordered from the dealer. Why aren’t they taking care of the problem?

Well, this is kind of a broken record replayed to me many times about every manufacturer. Obviously, I don’t know the details and the particulars, but allow me to suggest a more moderate pespective:

“They lied to my local dealer - many times”

Seriously, I doubt they willfully lied. They may not have known or information may have changed. That is a lot different. There are likely many other factors at play. It is highly likely they did not lie about anything. Customers press and press and press for delivery times. This industry has demonstrated a consistent ability to not be able to predict that. Why does this still surprise people? You may not *like *it, but we do have to accept it. Some people just press and press for the answer they want to hear. Eventually, some weak minded person caves and says, “OK, OK, your bike will be here in X weeks…”

The consistent reality is that predicting bike deliveries is a fools game. I don’t do it. Debating ad nauseum about “In my industry…” is bullshit too. This is the bike industry. It’s different. You know how I know that? Becasue for 23 years in this industry it has been consistently impossible to predict deliver times. That, my friends, is the reality of how it is in *this *industry. But the fact also is that a customer will ask six times “When is my bike coming in?” and we will tell them six times, “We cannot predict that.” Then on the seventh time someone cracks and says, “Maybe two weeks…” Then the customer hears “They promised me it would be here in two weeks.”

“Did not ship a bike they said they shipped (odd they could not track it)”

Maybe they did and they made a clerical error. Maybe it was de-allocated for another reason. Maybe it was allocated to a dealer who ordered it a month before your dealer. There are many normal reasons this may have happened. Customers don’t like those reasons, so they throw their toys. Odd they could not trackit? Really? I don’t know of anyone who can “track” a bike through the fullfillemnt process. And this is where everyone chimes in and says, “But in my industry…”. Nope. Sorry. This is bikes. It is the toy industry. It is not sophisticated. It is not a necessity. Yes I know Giant and Trek are very big compnies. But they are big bike companies. And bike companies are fucked up. Reality. Butt-assed, dick in the dirt, tip of the spear reality. It isn’t odd they can’t track. They just can’t. It’s no more odd than water not running up hill.

"Did not ship the right frame (color) that they claimed they shipped "

Hmm. Might have made a mistake. I do that a few times a day. Usually pisses people off too. I’m still working on perfect. Specialized is too.

“I called them as a consumer to find out the story - they talked bad about their own dealer (called them “not a more reputable dealer”) - even if that was true - you dont say that.”

You Sir, are correct. They should not speak about their dealers in any negative reference. It benefits no one. That is amateur. I agree with you 100% on this one. That said, manufacturers throw me in front of the bus all the time. It is a convenient way for them to get off the phone with a consumer, which they despise doing (talking to consumers). It is always easy to let the dealer take a bullet for them, and they do so with glee. Again, reality.

Again, I’m not certain of the particulars in this case. But today I spent three hours with chasing down bikes that customers feel are “late”. In that three hours I could have done a nice job building someone’s bike that is here. That isn’t polite or fair. But then again, most people’s last lesson in “polite” and “fair” was kindergarten.

-Not to hack on you dude, but I hear this every day: “They lied… It’s late… I can’t believe they can’t (pick your choice) track it, tell me when it will get here, find it, etc. etc.”

Standard deal. Welcome to the bike biz.

Tom, this was a warranty replacement for a broken frame. Not sure how they could get to confused…the LBS said nothing but good things about Specialized - and when asked only thing he would say to me was “the other bike lines were selling better than Specialized, that is why we dont sell them”. Well, I am an hour from the Trek factory, everyone here wants a Trek so I can see that - but then he replaced “S” with Giant AND Orbea.

I was at his shop when he called and I heard them say “it shipped” - then it turns into “hell no we wont ship” (para-phrasing).They should have said from day one - to go to a current dealer, sure that is a PITA but that would have made me MUCH happier. Sometimes a person just wants an answer - may not like the answer, but at least you have an answer.

To their credit the guy who finally got this all figured out offered me “anything I wanted” from helmets to shoes…I declined, all I want is a bike frame - nothing more.

Hmmm. OK. I figured this was a new bike order. Well, realistically, the supply of frames is finite. Also, something consumers don’t realize or see is that the internal battle for allocation of inventory at bike companies is like feeding ten alligators six chickens. Inside sales reps are sniping frames from warranty to fill back orders when dealers are getting pissed, warranty is stealing them from inventory to fulfill warranty claims when customers and dealers go ballistic- it is an internal struggle.

I probably shouldn’t even reveal this, but at one point I heard a story about a dealer who had a guy unloading containers and then phoning the dealer and saying, “OK, I just received a container from our customers broker and it has this in it- it isn’t in inventory yet but will be in a couple days- call sales and tell them you know it is here…”

Basically, the guy was a paid informant working in receiving bribed to tip off a dealer as to what was *really *coming into a bike company from the ports. The dealer could then call the bike company and say, “I know that you have or are receiving the following inventory…”

That is bike industry tracking. A guy who got a free bike from a bike shop and uses a cell phone to tip his buddies off.

I sympathize, but it may have been that they couldn’t ship to a shop without a current account - I’ve had it happen before. I was told that the shop gets billed for the replacement frame and credited for the broken frame so that there is a financial record of what’s going on. It doesn’t explain why they would have led you to believe the shop could handle all of it, but it explains why they could issue a call tag to a shop but not send the replacement frame there.