This looks like Russia continuing to try to spin the whole state-sponsored doping thing as a western plot against them.
By doing state-sponsored hacking.
/Russia does NOT do any state-supported cheating in athletics.
//Russia does state-supported hacking trying to divert attention from this.
These people have the keys to nukes?
Lovely.
Gotta love the excuses for dodgy doctors giving bogus TUEs to OUR athletes, especially Tygart’s outrage over “clean” athletes being tarred. Of course he would say that; he is the one allowing the bogus TUEs.
So the Russians actually had people breaking into labs to steal urine samples and replace them with clean samples. In this case, these US athletes had TUEs that were obviously provided to and approved by the WADA. For the sake of argument, let’s assume ALL of the TUEs for US athletes are bogus and providing by doctors will to help US doctors dope “legally”. What this means is all Russian doctors have much higher ethical standards than US doctors and refused to provide TUEs for Russian athletes so the Russians were forced to break in and replace urine samples.
Who is surprised by any athletes having TUEs?
Gotta love the excuses for dodgy doctors giving bogus TUEs to OUR athletes, especially Tygart’s outrage over “clean” athletes being tarred. Of course he would say that; he is the one allowing the bogus TUEs.
Yes indeed.
I couldn’t help but notice the different reactions to TUEs as expressed in this thread about American athletes versus those expressed in another recent thread about an English athlete.
I think people may be shocked by the number of athletes using substances they need a TUE for.
This thread would be 261 comments deep by now if this was published for any other country. But it is all valid for US athletes, absolutely, without a doubt. They needed all of these TUE’s for sure. Nothing to see here. Total BS.
There you go with non-us athletes.
Froomey and Wiggo. Not surprising.
EDIT, after having a look at Froome’s TUEs: strange. I am ok with any athele having a four day TUE. This is the case in ree of Froome’s leaked TUEs (out of four). But he’s got two of them, same date, same substance, one is valid for 4 days, the other for one year.
I think people may be shocked by the number of athletes using substances they need a TUE for.
I just saw your sig. When’s the snapchat account coming out? Tinder??? (Is that still a thing?)
There you go with non-us athletes.
Froomey and Wiggo. Not surprising.
EDIT, after having a look at Froome’s TUEs: strange. I am ok with any athele having a four day TUE. This is the case in ree of Froome’s leaked TUEs (out of four). But he’s got two of them, same date, same substance, one is valid for 4 days, the other for one year.
Well, Froome certainly isn’t surprising given that he’s been open to the press about his TUE usage and had said previously that he’s used TUEs for asthma twice, in 2013 and 2014. So all this is doing is confirming what he’s already told us.
Not sure where you’re seeing a TUE for a year. From what I can see there are 4 TUE forms, one from 21st May -26th May 2013, and 3 which all date to 27th or 29th April and are for 7 days each, and all cover the Tour of Romandie. Don’t know why there are 3 forms that basically cover the same period in April-May 2014, maybe they accidentally hit the “Submit” button more than once (we’ve all been there…) or maybe they just took a belt and braces approach.
Have a good look at the third one for Froome displayed in the hackers site. Clearly like a typo to me, it goes from April 29 2014 to May 6 2015 (issued on Apr 29) and then the fourth one, issued in July, goes from April 29 2014 to May 6 2014.
As someone said, file this in the BS file.
Have a good look at the third one for Froome displayed in the hackers site. Clearly like a typo to me, it goes from April 29 2014 to May 6 2015 (issued on Apr 29) and then the fourth one, issued in July, goes from April 29 2014 to May 6 2014.
As someone said, file this in the BS file.
Thanks, missed that. Assume it’s a typo since the same form also says the exemption is for 6 days, so maybe that’s why the 4th form was submitted with correct dates.
I still find all of this interesting. Especially the common use of prednisolone https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17805102/
I think people may be shocked by the number of athletes using substances they need a TUE for.
Yeah, maybe even a few age groupers.
froome has actually gained respect from me out of this - i’d vaguely thought his TUE use was far wider than that. 2 TUEs is reasonably understandable (certainly less than wiggins), though i still feel if you need medication for treatment of an acute problem in order to compete then you shouldn’t be racing.
the big thing around TUEs is that they’re not require out of competition so it is still possible that froome takes these drugs most of the year through training to get the boost, just normally is willing/able to do without for a while when it comes to racing.
overall, i think its great that TUE use is being publicised. let us all understand what people are using and why so we can judge for ourselves whether anyone is taking the piss. of course there are issues of medical confidentiality but really as a professional in the public eye you have to accept some loss of privacy in the name of transparency.
As noted above, fancy bear is a Russian state sponsored hacking group. They have specific motives for releasing this information. It used to be that information would be collected by governments and never see the light of day. What has changed is state sponsored hacking groups are sometimes not bothering to hide who they are and are releasing some of the information they collect publicly. This will become more common until better deterrents are put in place.
The reality is that TUEs should be public knowledge from a WADA transparency perspective anyway. Some will argue about HIPPA rights, but basically you only need to report items that would otherwise be banned under WADA.
Those that are complaining that WADA had poor security measures in place might be right, but they don’t really understand the wide range of systems that are basically wide open if you are a state sponsored program.
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…the big thing around TUEs is that they’re not require out of competition so it is still possible that froome takes these drugs most of the year through training to get the boost, just normally is willing/able to do without for a while when it comes to racing…
Um, no. There might be a very few exceptions that don’t get much press, but banned substances are banned whether or not you’re “in competition” as long as you are in the testing pool. You can’t pack in the EPO and testosterone during the off-season and then go clean while in-season. That’s the whole point behind the whereabouts system and out-of-competition testing. …although the testers do apparently tend to avoid Mallorca in the winter…
Now, I honestly don’t know how the rules might apply differently to someone rehabbing from a massively season-ending injury or illness. It would make sense to me that they would then have to at least follow the 6-month re-entry rules, though.
…the big thing around TUEs is that they’re not require out of competition so it is still possible that froome takes these drugs most of the year through training to get the boost, just normally is willing/able to do without for a while when it comes to racing…
Um, no. There might be a very few exceptions that don’t get much press, but banned substances are banned whether or not you’re “in competition” as long as you are in the testing pool. You can’t pack in the EPO and testosterone during the off-season and then go clean while in-season. That’s the whole point behind the whereabouts system and out-of-competition testing. …although the testers do apparently tend to avoid Mallorca in the winter…
Now, I honestly don’t know how the rules might apply differently to someone rehabbing from a massively season-ending injury or illness. It would make sense to me that they would then have to at least follow the 6-month re-entry rules, though.
you can’t get a TUE for EPO! (or at least its highly improbable)
when we talk TUEs its things like corticosteroids, pseudoephedrine, asthma medications etc. i’m not 100% on the details but certainly corticosteroids and pseudoephedrine are not restricted and don’t even need a TUE outside of competitions. i assume they have to be out of your system by the time you have an in-competition test but that could be well into a GT given that GC guys typically don’t feature in the early results and hence test targets
…the big thing around TUEs is that they’re not require out of competition so it is still possible that froome takes these drugs most of the year through training to get the boost, just normally is willing/able to do without for a while when it comes to racing…
Um, no. There might be a very few exceptions that don’t get much press, but banned substances are banned whether or not you’re “in competition” as long as you are in the testing pool. You can’t pack in the EPO and testosterone during the off-season and then go clean while in-season. That’s the whole point behind the whereabouts system and out-of-competition testing. …although the testers do apparently tend to avoid Mallorca in the winter…
Now, I honestly don’t know how the rules might apply differently to someone rehabbing from a massively season-ending injury or illness. It would make sense to me that they would then have to at least follow the 6-month re-entry rules, though.
Go to the WADA List of Prohibited Substances and Methods.
http://list.wada-ama.org/
Note that they have multiple sections. The two germane sections to note are: “Prohibited at all times” and “Prohibited in-competition”. So yes, some substances only need a TUE in-competition and would not constitute an adverse analytical finding if they showed up on an OOC test. Some are prohibited at all times.
I also hear Serena’s birth name was Steve.
I stand corrected!
Though it appears “only” to be stimulants, narcotics, cannabinoids, and glucocorticoids. I do now seem to recall this being part of the kerfuffle with Boonen’s cocaine issue a few years back, as well as Phelps’ viral video…and quite a few were calling for outright bans following those two instances. It does surprise me that most of the stimulants and glucocorticoids on the lists are not outright banned: going longer and recovering faster during off-season training could lead to huge boosts in performance in-season!