So why are Toyota and Honda against the new Calif. Emission Laws?

Well for starters between the two of them they sell 1 vehicle (the Prius) that meets the regulation. Ford sells 2.

But really thats not it. The Law only impacts manufacturers that sell 60K plus cars per year in Calif. Sell less than 4K lifetime exemption, between 4K and 60k you get years until you have to meet the requirement.

So the following brands have at least 4 yrs of unrestricted sales (Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Hyundai, Kia, Lamborghini, Mazda, Volkswagen, plus any new makers – China, India) Brands in the permanent exception range. (Aston Marting, Ferrari, Isuzu, Jaguar, Land Rover, Lotus, Maserati, Mitsubishi, Subaru, Suzuki, Porsche, Tesla.)

Now depending on how they run the numbers (I am not sure how long a selling history they look at) but If its yearly, You could see lots of yo-yoing as a manufacturer has an exemption so they can sell there cars for several thousand less, than they exceed the number so for a year or two sell few, then bounce back.

Now if your a Manufacturer with several brands, you potentially set them up to bounce in and out of the requirement at different times so you always have a brand that the rules don’t apply to. Of course Toyota, and Honda with fewer brands would not be as able to play this game.

But what does any of this have to do with saving the environment, why even have these exemptions?

I finally found out what stops you in California from driving to Nevada to buy your car. The bill prohibits any resident from bringing a new vehicle with fewer than 7,500 miles on it into the state.

So now there will be lots of never been on the road (maybe never had the engine on) new cars rolling off Dyno’s in Nevada with 7,500.01 miles on them.

***The bill prohibits any resident from bringing a new vehicle with fewer than 7,500 miles on it into the state. ***



So someone could own a newer vehicle…hell, even an older vehicle that’s only driven on Sundays, and have it rendered “obsolete” by the CA government for use in their state?

I wonder if the “buy 'em all a new tv” crowd thinks that Arnie and Co. should reimburse these poor people for the cost of meeting the new standards…? :wink:

Of course, the answer is no. Because no sacrifice is too large for anything that’s wrapped in a “green” cloak.

What would be really fun is if everyone just decided to hell with CA and just manufacture 49 state compliant cars. CA is such a big market that I doubt that it’ll happen, but it would be really cool if they did…and of course, some of the cost of that compliance is buried in the cars that the rest of us poor schmucks buy.

all of the major manufacturers are opposed to hte CA standards - they would rather see national standards. I would like to see the article where Honda and Toyota have 1 vehicle together that meets the standards - from what I have read Ford is the first domestic manufacturer in a list (of least polluters) and comes in at #11.

Out of curiosity, are you guys against increased emissons standards?

I knew that the northeast and west coast states had adopted CA standards, but did not realize that Florida did. Anyway, here’s the list, with others considering… Also CA standards single handedly eliminated 2-stroke motorcycles from the US market…

Arizona
Connecticut
Florida
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
Vermont
Washington

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all of the major manufacturers are opposed to hte CA standards - they would rather see national standards. I would like to see the article where Honda and Toyota have 1 vehicle together that meets the standards - from what I have read Ford is the first domestic manufacturer in a list (of least polluters) and comes in at #11.

From : http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009902010389

That’s higher average fuel economy than the tiny plastic-bodied Smart Fortwo city car gets. The only car currently sold in the United States that would meet the standard is the Toyota Prius hybrid. On the truck side, only the Ford Escape and Mercury Mariner hybrid SUVs pass muster.

Interesting.

First I’ve heard of it. Do you have any reference other than this old article?

Out of curiosity, are you guys against increased emissons standards?

I’m against any changes to CO2 emission standards as this is nothing more than a back door attempt to increase fuel economy standards.
I for one enjoy driving a V8 road car instead of something that is smaller than a washing machine and with increased CO2 standards, the high powerd cars that people really want could become more expensive or harder to find.

I don’t, but I was surprised as well. I just did a quick search to confirm my recollection of northeast and west coast states, and I found that list…

Most other links referenced “~the adoption of rules *similar *to CA”, but this one said adoption, which is the case for most New England states…