Why are the Dems trying to force through the bill without this stipulation for any jobs that are created by the stimulus bill? Why shouldn’t we verify that any job created by this goes to someone who is legally entitled to it?
Mandatory E verify is Republican policy pork. The President made it clear from the get go that the stimuls package would not be a christmas tree that everyone could hang their favorite ornament on and that includes e-verify.
So a program that is proven to work, that will keep illegal aliens from taking jobs created by the stimulus is Republican Pork? But all of the following aren’t PORK?
Amtrak Security – The conference report contains $450 million for Amtrak Security grants through the Department of Transportation (DOT). This funding was not included in either the House or Senate bills, and duplicates a program that already exists in the Department of Homeland Security.
Agency “Slush Funds” (Transfer Authority) – This provision recreates the “slush fund” that was unanimously rejected by both the House and Senate. This “slush fund” allows agency heads to move money around between programs as they see fit without any real oversight by Congress or the public.
NEA - The conference report contains $50 million for the NEA. Somehow, despite the public criticism, Democrat leaders have decided that this is “stimulative” spending and have included it in the report.
You might want to go back to your party and let them know that the party line isn’t going to work…
NEA - The conference report contains $50 million for the NEA. Somehow, despite the public criticism, Democrat leaders have decided that this is “stimulative” spending and have included it in the report.
Oooo - I’m going to pee on something, call it “political statement as art” and do my part to stimulate the economy! Now where’s my NEA grant?
Mandatory E verify is Republican policy pork. The President made it clear from the get go that the stimuls package would not be a christmas tree that everyone could hang their favorite ornament on and that includes e-verify.
How is e-Verify pork?
As much as I hate to say this the non verified are still part of our GDP.
I am not familiar with the E-Verified program, can someone post a link?
Small idea but politics aside we need 5-15 business people to control all of this mess and majority of the small group rules. Group to be dissolved with in 1 year. Someone needs to have the authority to say yes this is good for the people or not. Next would be term limits on all positions. Pick a number of years but it needs to be small, short with the expectation that they produce results.
Lobby in a short time span should have no influence unless someone is willing to defend the position they took and accept some form or circumstances if they didn’t vote their states desire.
I know perfect world but Washington is so corrupt with politics instead of business when it comes to economy.
Mandatory E verify is Republican policy pork. The President made it clear from the get go that the stimuls package would not be a christmas tree that everyone could hang their favorite ornament on and that includes e-verify.
How is e-Verify pork?
Its policy pork. I’m not voting for your bill unless my district gets a bridge…I’m not voting for your stimulus package unless you tack on this GOP policy. Policy pork.
**So a program that is proven to work, **
Straight forward question but is this really the case. The last things I had read were 6-12months ago but IIRC included various cases were people were incorrectly labelled ineligible and and people “testing” the system were able to get approved with fake information.
Mandatory E verify is Republican policy pork. The President made it clear from the get go that the stimuls package would not be a christmas tree that everyone could hang their favorite ornament on and that includes e-verify.
How is e-Verify pork?
Its policy pork. I’m not voting for your bill unless my district gets a bridge…I’m not voting for your stimulus package unless you tack on this GOP policy. Policy pork.
I think that is a bit of stretch. There is so much pork in this bill it is ridiculous that you are railing on something that will do good. Do you not think it is a good idea to ensure that US citizens are the ones getting the jobs? If most of these construction jobs go to illegals that send their money home the “stimulus” will fail.
Thats your opinion. There’s another guy who thinks new grass on the Mall will stimulate the economy and yet another who thinks a tax loophole for luxury yachts will do the trick; the mayor of Las Vegas even thinks a mob museum is the cure to our economic ills.
Bottom line remains that your policy pork didn’t make the cut either. If its such a good idea try it as a stand alone bill.
Good luck.
I thought it was already against the law to hire illegal aliens. Why can’t we just enforce the law already on the books?
I would agree the E-Verify is not perfect but it has had good results in certain trials. Basically if a company chooses to overlook fake Social Security Numbers and immigration documents then it can. This has been the case in New Bedford, MA and in many of the meat processing plants. E-Verify allows companies to check documents against the Social Security Databases to weed out or at least question those with suspect documents and yes, it is not perfect. There have been a number of challenges to it not surprisingly from immigrant rights groups.
Dorothy Meisner, Bill Clinton’s INS director (and a policy advisor to Obama) said the following:
“Mandatory employer verification must be at the center of legislation to combat illegal immigration. Until such legislation is enacted, the administration should support reauthorization of the E-Verify employment verification system and expand its use as a voluntary program, allowing for its steady improvement in moving to scale as a mandatory program. Attention should now be focused on continued improvement in the accuracy rates of the DHS and SSA databases, development of a secure system of identification, and improved rates of employer compliance with program rules. Also, the administration should analyze whether or not E-Verify ultimately offers the best platform for mandatory verification.”
Given that many of the jobs that are being created are in the construction industry you can be sure that there will be fair amount of illegal immigrants who will benefit from this jobs bill.
Nice to see that MattinSF doesn’t see this as a problem. I am guessing that over time this will not play real well in Peoria. Time will tell.
I have not expressed an opinion on either the necessity for or the merits of mandatory e-verify, just that has no place in this stimulus package. Its not the right place for it and if it was included it would open the floodgates for everyone else to tack on their pet projects.
Until the federal government can prove they can handle a measly no fly list with just a couple of thousand names, they shouldn’t be rolling out mandatory no work lists…there I’ve expressed an opinion now, flail away.
I have not expressed an opinion on either the necessity for or the merits of mandatory e-verify, just that has no place in this stimulus package. Its not the right place for it and if it was included it would open the floodgates for everyone else to tack on their pet projects.
Until the federal government can prove they can handle a measly no fly list with just a couple of thousand names, they shouldn’t be rolling out mandatory no work lists…there I’ve expressed an opinion now, flail away.
So you are fine with illegal aliens getting jobs with the stimulus money and sending that money back home to their family. This doesn’t help the economy at all. About the only thing it does do is get the Dems more votes.
I have not expressed an opinion on either the necessity for or the merits of mandatory e-verify, just that has no place in this stimulus package. Its not the right place for it and if it was included it would open the floodgates for everyone else to tack on their pet projects.
Until the federal government can prove they can handle a measly no fly list with just a couple of thousand names, they shouldn’t be rolling out mandatory no work lists…there I’ve expressed an opinion now, flail away. You’re right, Matt, it’s MUCH more important that we spend money protecting the habitat of the salt marsh mouse, because that’s going to stimulate the economy so much more than ensuring the money goes to American citizens. And I’m sure you’ll agree that protecting the salt marsh mouse is important stuff and not just another pet project (pardon the pun).
I have not expressed an opinion on either the necessity for or the merits of mandatory e-verify, just that has no place in this stimulus package. Its not the right place for it and if it was included it would open the floodgates for everyone else to tack on their pet projects.
Until the federal government can prove they can handle a measly no fly list with just a couple of thousand names, they shouldn’t be rolling out mandatory no work lists…there I’ve expressed an opinion now, flail away.
So you are fine with illegal aliens getting jobs with the stimulus money and sending that money back home to their family. This doesn’t help the economy at all. About the only thing it does do is get the Dems more votes.
Are you fine with rich people getting tax cuts and sticking the money in the bank? that doesn;t stimulate the economy, all that does is get the GOP more votes.
As has been stated, its against the law to hire undocumented labor. Its also not yet proven that e-verify can work when brought to scale. This is not the right environment to start experimenting with such an enormous project.
I have not expressed an opinion on either the necessity for or the merits of mandatory e-verify, just that has no place in this stimulus package. Its not the right place for it and if it was included it would open the floodgates for everyone else to tack on their pet projects.
Until the federal government can prove they can handle a measly no fly list with just a couple of thousand names, they shouldn’t be rolling out mandatory no work lists…there I’ve expressed an opinion now, flail away.
So you are fine with illegal aliens getting jobs with the stimulus money and sending that money back home to their family. This doesn’t help the economy at all. About the only thing it does do is get the Dems more votes.
Are you fine with rich people getting tax cuts and sticking the money in the bank? that doesn;t stimulate the economy, all that does is get the GOP more votes.
As has been stated, its against the law to hire undocumented labor. Its also not yet proven that e-verify can work when brought to scale. This is not the right environment to start experimenting with such an enormous project.
First of all this whole “stimulus” bill is experimentation. No one knows if it is going to work.
Second of all so you are against the Reps getting more votes by cutting taxes but you are fine with the Dems getting more votes by kicking out e-verify.
So when you get money you put it in the bank? I know when I get my tax return I go put some of it right in the market, donate some of it, and or buy something with it. Most of the people I know do the same.
Trimick - you missed Matt’s point above that putting money in the bank is something evil rich people do. So even though putting money in banks helps with bank solvency, the politically correct thing to do is to donate your ill-gotten gains to a shelter for undocumented workers, or to PETA, or many of Matt’s other ways to directly stimulate the economy.
Are you fine with rich people getting tax cuts and sticking the money in the bank? that doesn;t stimulate the economy, all that does is get the GOP more votes.
As has been stated, its against the law to hire undocumented labor. Its also not yet proven that e-verify can work when brought to scale. This is not the right environment to start experimenting with such an enormous project.
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If the rich people do that, then maybe a lot less banks will be looking insolvent.
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The first part of the banking bailout is being roundly criticized for not having sufficient oversight. E-verify is, in a sense, an oversight mechanism that could be useful in stimulus spending, and therefore definitely has a place in the bill.