Slowman, will you be attending the Kaepernak rally?

there are 2 issues here, to me. first, on the subject of his talent, does he deserve to be on a roster? if the rumor is true he turned down an offer to play for one-eleventh the size of cutler’s deal, yes, that was an insult and he should’ve refused it. yes, he deserves to be on a roster.

Kaepernick was offered a back-up position and a back-up salary. The rumor (note I acknowledge it is a rumor) is that he turned down the money for “political” reasons. Cutler will be the starter on day 1. He is getting starter money. The top 10 QBs are making $21-25M this year. So, $10M for a rent-a-QB is reasonable.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/07/nfl-source-kaepernick-turned-down-at-least-1-contract-to-play-up-the-race-card/

Reminds me of when Latrell Sprewell turned down a $21M extension with the Timberwolves b/c he “had a family to feed.” He never played again. What that b/c of Sprewell’s race or political stance?

secondly, does the league forgive the sins that black people are expected to commit, are allowed to commit, while expressing your view on how black people are treated is not an acceptable sin? if you go back and read what happened to john carlos and tommy smith after the gloved fist episode, i think nothing much has changed.
Yes b/c The Shield most certainly has crucified outspoken black men like Ray Lewis, Richard Sherman, and Michael Bennett.

Then there are all the players who joint in with Kaep and, miraculously, have not been “black balled.”

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/here-are-the-11-players-who-joined-colin-kaepernicks-protest-in-week-1/

as to kaepernick’s ability versus cutler’s ability, so far we will only be able to judge one side of that. we’ll see if kap lands a job so that we can judge the other side of that.

The Miami gig was not about who had the most ability. It was about the fact that Cutler was joining his old offensive coordinator and knew the entire playbook on day 1. Why do you keep ignoring that crucial fact that everyone, but you, seem to acknowledge. Even the biggest Kaepernick supporters recognize and have acknowledged this.

It was about the fact that Cutler was joining his old offensive coordinator and knew the entire playbook on day 1. Why do you keep ignoring that crucial fact that everyone, but you, seem to acknowledge. Even the biggest Kaepernick supporters recognize and have acknowledged this.

Cutler may know the playbook but he’s still an interception machine. He’ll wish he was in the Fox booth 5 games in…

https://youtu.be/E7_duxRMIh0

kaepernick is 29 going on 19

Bingo. Perhaps that’s why coaches and owners haven’t signed him

and that’s fine! but they signed guys who beat up their girlfriends, who choked dogs to death for fun, who drive drunk, who dope. that’s the problem. if you’re going to not sign kaepernick for the impolitic way he talks about human rights, then don’t sign (or re-sign) these other bozos.

otherwise what you’re saying is either:

  1. kaepernick isn’t as good as , but you’re hearing from a lot of players in the NFL that this doesn’t ring true; or,

  2. kaepernick isn’t the right kind of sinner and that, to me, speaks to the very issue kaepernick is (inartfully) raising. this attitude, that we expect you to beat up your girlfriend so we don’t condone it but we can forgive it; but don’t speak about civil rights; that speaks to what owners actually think about their black players.

These are serious questions. Have you ever played organized football?

all the way until i (reluctantly) made the change to running instead of football in the fall, girlfriend.

Take that shit to the tri forum.

When is the RG3 rally?

Well sure he is! How quickly you guys forget what I have said about Cutler for years - he is Brent Favre without the up side.

These are serious questions. Have you ever played organized football?

CK has had exactly one decent season. He’s effectively the liberal version of Tebow (running QB with a burst in the playoffs but overall nothing spectacular enough to warrant the dog and pony show that accompanies him). If CK gets picked up he’ll have to be in a system that can support him and I doubt he’ll doing anything as impressive as you think he’s capable of.

^^This. He has a unique set of skills, which require the offensive line to have a unique set of skills. If anyone knows how hard this is it is Gase (see Tebow). I thought his best bet was with Seattle.

Him not taking backup money reminds me of Vacation when Eddie has been unemployed for seven years because he is hold out for a management position.

kaepernick is 29 going on 19

Bingo. Perhaps that’s why coaches and owners haven’t signed him

and that’s fine! but they signed guys who beat up their girlfriends, who choked dogs to death for fun, who drive drunk, who dope. that’s the problem. if you’re going to not sign kaepernick for the impolitic way he talks about human rights, then don’t sign (or re-sign) these other bozos.

otherwise what you’re saying is either:

  1. kaepernick isn’t as good as , but you’re hearing from a lot of players in the NFL that this doesn’t ring true; or,

  2. kaepernick isn’t the right kind of sinner and that, to me, speaks to the very issue kaepernick is (inartfully) raising. this attitude, that we expect you to beat up your girlfriend so we don’t condone it but we can forgive it; but don’t speak about civil rights; that speaks to what owners actually think about their black players.

There are at a minimum three sets of rules for behavior in the NFL.

1 Stars
2 Starters
3 Reserves/backups

Kaepernick at this point in time is a backup. Coaches want their backups to be seen and not heard.

Note what happened to the Dallas player, cannot recall his name, that was accused of a crime. He was immediately cut. Turned out it was a case of false identification. He wasn’t a star or a starter. On the other hand, Ezekiel Elliott, one of the best players in the league, finds himself in controversial situations and the team bends over backwards to support him.

In the NFL it is a balancing act. Your performance/contribution on the field weghed against the “distraction” you create off the field.

At this point in time Kaepernick is on the negative side of the scale.

What starting QB do you think is inferior to Kaepernick? What leads you to that conclusion?

Remember, last year, Kaepernick’s QB Rating (90.7) was ahead of Phillip Rivers (87.9), who you said was the best pocket passer in the league.

It was also ahead of Carson Palmer (87.2); Eli Manning (86.0); Joe Flacco (83.5), and Carson Wentz (79.3). Do you really believe Kaep is better than any of those QBs?

In the NFL it is a balancing act. Your performance/contribution on the field weghed against the “distraction” you create off the field.

At this point in time Kaepernick is on the negative side of the scale.

BINGO!!! If Kaep had the skill set, no amount of talking or off-the-field conduct would deter teams from signing him. None.

See, e.g., Ray Lewis, Mike Vick, et. al.

Also see, e.g., Bob the Third. When he was drafted by Washington, the team put up with all the shit from his father, coming into the coach’s and owner’s offices making demands about turning Bob into a pocket passer. They put up with all the hassle b/c they thought he was a star. When he showed he was not, no one put up with that shit anymore.

" so we don’t condone it but we can forgive it; but don’t speak about civil rights; that speaks to what owners actually think about their black players."

my take on this is the backlash is not about “Kap” speaking out on civil rights, it’s about his disrespect for the National Anthem and a league that is HEAVILY invested in selling Patriotism.

" so we don’t condone it but we can forgive it; but don’t speak about civil rights; that speaks to what owners actually think about their black players."

my take on this is the backlash is not about “Kap” speaking out on civil rights, it’s about his disrespect for the National Anthem and a league that is HEAVILY invested in selling Patriotism.
Agreed. Any team that signs him is going to have an immediate marketing problem because, rightly or wrongly, he riled up some of the viewing audience. The team owners probably don’t care much what awful things the players do, as long as the fans love them. But the skills of a guy that comes with angry fan “baggage” have be weighed carefully.

Full disclosure. I know zero about football.

What starting QB do you think is inferior to Kaepernick? What leads you to that conclusion?

for starters - pardon the pun - the QB that ended the season ahead of him on his own team, blake gabbert. or the 49ers upcoming starter, brian hoyer. jared goff (my own hometown team), but i understand why they need to play jared. ryan fitzpatrick. blake bortles. once you go down to the JV, kap is better than half or two-thirds of them.

my take on this is the backlash is not about “Kap” speaking out on civil rights, it’s about his disrespect for the National Anthem and a league that is HEAVILY invested in selling Patriotism.

i agree that there were other things kap could do that would’ve perhaps been better than kneeling for the anthem. but, remember, it was 3 games into this before anyone even noticed. and he admitted that this may cost him his pro career and he has never really lashed out about that fact. that’s courage. maybe it’s inarticulate courage, but it’s courage nevertheless.

were i a team owner i like to think that i could wordsmith why he’s okay for my team. but if you’re right, then implicit it your remark is an admission that, yes, he is being blackballed.

Nope, don’t co sign on the blackball label. If he had a track record over a legitimate time frame that put him on par with the top 5 or top 10 QB’s, he’d be signed and playing, long ago. Because he has no where near this, then yes the “baggage” is obviously part of the equation.

It’s “Blaine” Gabbert. I bet you knew that since you watched so much football.

It’s also funny you bring him up. You say he started in front of CK to end the season because he is now a back up in Arizona, making the league minimum $900,000 on a 1 year contract… Eerily similar to the contract that was allegedly offered CK that he refused to sign.

He ended last season as back up to a now back up and you think he deserves to start and make more money than others. I guess I am perplexed at how you come up with this crap.

It’s “Blaine” Gabbert. I bet you knew that since you watched so much football.

There’s a reason he avoided my question.

" so we don’t condone it but we can forgive it; but don’t speak about civil rights; that speaks to what owners actually think about their black players."

my take on this is the backlash is not about “Kap” speaking out on civil rights, it’s about his disrespect for the National Anthem and a league that is HEAVILY invested in selling Patriotism.

http://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2016/09/01/40547605-e7b5-4d8a-ace4-608263f4c6dd/resize/670x377/c23a3fa0efaa8e6ba60bf0b568ba153d/kaepernick-socks-cops-08-31-16.png

these probably didn’t help either…

What starting QB do you think is inferior to Kaepernick? What leads you to that conclusion?

for starters - pardon the pun - the QB that ended the season ahead of him on his own team, blake gabbert. or the 49ers upcoming starter, brian hoyer. jared goff (my own hometown team), but i understand why they need to play jared. ryan fitzpatrick. blake bortles. once you go down to the JV, kap is better than half or two-thirds of them.

Ryan Fitzpatrick isn’t playing this year and the Jets appears to be intentionally taking for the first draft pick. Hoyer has better numbers than Kaep and fits better in the 49ers system. Goff has good potential and, well, you identified why he “has to” play.

So, justify your claim Kaep is better than 2/3rds of the league.

It’s “Blaine” Gabbert. I bet you knew that since you watched so much football.

unfortunate portmanteau combining bortles - who i had on the brain - and gabbert. i can only say that i was running to make it from one workout to another when i posted. still, i’ll absolutely concede that, because a couple of us in the LR do still SB&R, i’m certain you and others watch way more football than i do.

but i think what you’ll see around most of the informed internet is this from five-thirty-eight. it’s almost exclusively what i see, and if you point to articles running counter you have to skip over 4 or 5 to find that one. the large majority of those whose job it is to write or opine about football see this as i do, that kap is not on a team for non-football reasons. maybe you think those are still valid reasons. okay. but they’re not performance-related.

emblematic of this is the fate of two 49ers who played on the same team at the same time, kap and aldon smith. the fact that smith is still in the NFL, welcomed back time and again, and kap is not, tells you most of what you need to know about how football views acceptable sins versus sins black players shouldn’t commit. (yes, i know smith was cut, and suspended, but trump and football players can murder someone on 5th avenue and still be welcome in their jobs).

i’ve followed kaepernick’s career since he was a freshman in college, and it’s nothing new to hear about how he’s not very good. chris ault gave him the only scholarship offer out of HS. he had cam newton matching (or beating) numbers the year cam newton was feted for all-galaxy numbers (while few noticed kap). i still don’t know whether cam newton is truly the better QB of the two.

what is certainly true is that he’s not a 4th receiver checkdown passer. maybe not a 3rd. he’s not a fit for every team. if you only value a rivers or peyton manning QB pass kap by. if you like the idea of a vick or russell wilson QB kap is your guy. he’s certainly your backup.