Skip Bayless is an ass

I’ve always loathed Bayless, going back to his days of writing about the Cowboys. His modus operandi has always been to be controversial, no matter how inane the position. He is in sufferable on ESPN, and I figured it was just a matter of time for him to jump on the anti-Lance bandwagon. At least he didn’t go to far overboard:

By Skip Bayless
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This Tour de France was his greatest tour de force.
After all, Lance Armstrong is 33 years old. He started his training late because he wasn’t sure he wanted to risk his legacy after winning six straight Tour de Frances in a country filled with journalists and fans who don’t like him and don’t believe he has always been clean.

http://espn.starwave.com/media/pg2/2005/0725/photo/lance_armstrong_7_195.jpg **Lance is king of his world … but not everyone elses.**This time, officials Lance-proofed the course the way golf courses are Tiger-proofed. They eliminated one of the longer time trials Armstrong usually owns. Didn’t matter. They did away with several of the mountain summit finishes he dominates. Didn’t matter.

He lost one key teammate before the race and one during. Didn’t matter.

Armstrong won No. 7 just the way Tiger won the British Open. Armstrong roared in the early mountain stages, and all the riders who were supposed to dethrone him appeared to surrender psychologically. Unlike the British Open, this was the French Closed.

This was the most magnificent of his seven.

He won by 4 minutes, 40 seconds.

As if we needed any more proof, this cinched it: Lance Armstrong is the greatest endurance athlete ever. Greater than any of the five-time Tour winners – Miguel Indurain, Eddy Merckx, Jacques Anquetil or Bernard Hinault. Greater than the greatest distance runners – from Frank Shorter to Paul Tergat, Joan Benoit Samuelson to Paula Radcliffe.

Greater than any man or woman who has relied foremost on his or her VO2 max – the ability to process oxygen.

Armstrong is an aerobic freak, with lungs of iron and legs of steel.

And of course, his Jordanesque dominance came after he beat cancer. Armstrong became an inspiration to millions battling the dread disease. Long live Lance.

But forgive me if I don’t leap aboard the P.C. bandwagon and anoint him the greatest all-around athlete and greatest athletic performer ever. I’d just be selling out so the legion of Lance lovers would love me, too. My mission, as I see it, isn’t to tell you what you want to hear.

It’s to tell you the truth: Armstrong is limited when you compare him with the greatest athletes and clutch performers because he rides a bicycle.

But if you’re a cycling zealot, and you want to believe he’s the greatest athlete ever, believe away. I have friends who are so consumed by cycling – training, racing, talking about nothing but – that to suggest to them Lance is anything but a wing-footed god is blasphemy.

So if you’re sick of the Kobes and T.O.'s and want a hero you can relate to, by all means, Lance is your man.

And for sure, if you’re riding uphill against a disease, and Armstrong is your inspiration to keep on pedaling, God bless you.

But the point here is that Armstrong insists he has ridden his final Tour. This calls for some objective perspective on his place in the athletic pantheon.

I cannot tell a lie.

Armstrong doesn’t qualify as the greatest all-around athlete because cycling doesn’t test enough athletic talent or skill. And he doesn’t qualify for greatest performer because his sport doesn’t have the equivalent of last-second shots or throws or catches, of two-outs-in-the-ninth swings or of final-hole putts. The pressure through 21 Tour stages is constant, but rarely if ever acute.
No one has ever ridden smarter than Armstrong, who has always had a sixth sense for avoiding Tour-ending crashes. But an all-out sprint for a stage finish doesn’t require grace under knee-knocking, throat-closing pressure. It’s just about guts and heart.

Armstrong has as much of those as any man or woman who ever competed in any sport.

http://espn.starwave.com/media/pg2/2005/0725/photo/bo_jackson_royals_195.jpg **Bo knew more than just football, that’s why he made the list.**But is he a greater clutch performer than Jordan or Ali or Montana or Nicklaus? When has Armstrong ever been tested under huge-moment fire the way those greats were? No, he doesn’t belong in the same argument with them.

Similarly, how can you debate Armstrong’s place among great all-around athletes when cycling calls upon such a narrow range of ability? Does Armstrong’s sport demand hand-eye coordination or full-body athleticism the way ball sports do? No. Armstrong is the first to admit he’s no good at ball sports.

Yes, some hand-eye and body control are required to steer a bike at high speeds through traffic or crashes or around curves. Yet Armstrong doesn’t have the rare reflexes required to connect with 95-mph fastballs, or to throw baseballs or footballs, or to catch 60-yard passes on the dead run, or to make 25-foot jumpers or spinning, hanging circus shots over leaping giants.

Jordan was the greatest basketball player and greatest clutch performer ever – but he failed miserably at baseball. So if you want the greatest all-around athletes – combining the widest array of talent and skill at the highest levels – choose your favorite from this list: Jim Thorpe, Jackie Robinson, Wilt Chamberlain, Mickey Mantle, Jim Brown, Bjorn Borg, Wayne Gretzky, Bo Jackson, John Elway and Deion Sanders.

I make the greatest all-around case for Sanders. In his prime, Sanders was the greatest cover corner ever. Fastest man (and one of the quickest) in football. Excellent hands as a ball hawk, receiver or kick returner. Underrated upper-body strength that allowed him to control bigger receivers at the line of scrimmage.

And Sanders did not fail at baseball. Sanders was a regular outfielder for the Yankees, Braves, Giants and Reds. For the Braves, Deion was 8-for-15 in the 1992 World Series.

You can argue that Bo Jackson was a better combination football/baseball player because he made one Pro Bowl and one All-Star team. Yet Jackson was too stiff to be much of a basketball player. Sanders was an all-state high-school basketball player in Fort Myers, Fla. Advantage, Deion.

As a runner, Armstrong’s 10K times were good but not great. He doesn’t have the rare speed of a Sanders or Jackson – or the lightning quickness of Allen Iverson. Armstrong and Iverson are about the same size. But Iverson not only has the NBA’s best body control but also could have starred in college football as an option quarterback.

Armstrong isn’t in Iverson’s all-around league.

Yet the argument I always get is: Yes, but could Deion or Ichiro or Iverson win the Tour de France?

I have no idea how genetically gifted they are at processing oxygen in endurance sports. Iverson’s VO2 max might surprise you. But the point is, none of the three had any desire to subject themselves to the grueling training required to win long-distance bike races.

If they had, who knows?

Which leads to another key question: While just about every kid in America rides a bike at some age, how many dedicate themselves to winning the Tour de France? Not many. Far more want to be baseball, basketball or football players. Competitive cycling is more popular among kids in other countries, but not in this one.

Yet Armstrong hasn’t had to battle the quality or depth of competition in his sport that baseball, basketball or football greats have risen above in theirs.

And within endurance sports, Armstrong has this advantage over, say, marathon runners. He’s riding a perfect piece of equipment that virtually assures he will have a perfectly efficient “stride,” even when he’s exhausted. His bicycle also keeps his joints from absorbing the shock the pavement inflicts on distance runners.

As great as he is, Armstrong has benefited from having the best team and equipment. As he said Sunday of his Discovery Team: “I think we revolutionized the cycling part, the training part and the equipment part. … We had absolutely the best program, the best trainers, the best mechanics.”

http://espn.starwave.com/media/pg2/2005/0725/photo/deion_sanders_cowboys_195.jpg **Football and baseball kept Prime Time too busy from playing hoops.**Did the Discovery Team give Armstrong a slight advantage over challengers Ivan Basso (who finished second), Jan Ullrich (third), Alexandre Vinokourov (fifth) and Mickael Rasmussen (seventh)? Yes, slight.
But no doubt you can argue they all had a huge advantage over Armstrong when he won his first Tour. He had been told he might not live, let alone ever ride again.

So by all means, savor the real-life fairy tale of the little man who thought he could. Imagine yourself pedaling past rivals up through the Alps and down the Champs-Elysees. But please don’t condemn me as one of the “cynics and skeptics” Armstrong referred to in the first speech the Tour has ever allowed on the victory podium.

Armstrong said: “Finally, the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling – the cynics, the skeptics – I’m sorry you can’t dream big and I’m sorry you don’t believe in miracles.”

I believe in cycling and miracles.

I believe Lance Armstrong miraculously recovered to become the greatest endurance athlete and most inspirational sports performer.

But he is not the greatest all-around athlete or clutch performer. That’s no knock on him and no attempt to rain on his reign. That’s just honest perspective.

I got bored and stopped reading half-way through.

Me Too
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he did one last year, saying that cycling is not a sport. It was worse (talk about inane) than this one.

There is some truth to what he says (maybe Lance isn’t the greatest athlete ever), but to compare cycling with ball sports is ridiculouis. Maybe skip doesn’t own a bike. It’s like comparing American Football to Soccer, in which case I would say that soccer players are much fitter than American players. A player like Pele had a lot more talent than any US football player could ever dream of. Anyway, his article and comments are crap and not worth even reading.

I stopped as soon as he said 95mph fastball.

Yawwwwnnnnn that article has been written every year for the last 7 years, I can’t wait to not read it next year.

So, according to Skip, unless you are good at more than one mainstream USA ball sport, you aren’t a great athlete?

WHATTAFUCKINGMORON.

I bet ol Skippy hasn’t ever ridden a bike further than the local deli to pick up a pack of smokes. There’s another f’n d-bag on ESPN, big fat dude guest hosting PTL, who gets off on saying that cycling isn’t a real sport because kids ride bikes. Kids also can run and throw and catch balls too, so those don’t count either I guess.

Deion Sanders the greatest athlete? Puh-lease. That pussy was afraid to tackle anybody.

Clearly hes never ridden in a race or even watched the tour. To see the pain on the riders faces as they climb, you realize that unlike someone hitting a homerun in the bottom of the ninth, they are grinding through intense pain and suffering. Kirk Gibson’s homerun was a great moment in baseball, but he walked to home plate, took one swing, and then jogged 360 feet. Hardly superhuman. Cyclists aren’t just relying on some skill that has been honed over the years. They are pushing their bodies beyong what 99.9% of the rest of the world will. Each pedal stroke is a victory, and each new one is invitation to quit.

Perform under pressure? Ask Rasmussen about pressure, he’ll tell you all about it. Bayless’s problem is that he is only viewing popular American sports. What about some of the great rugby players in the world. There are many that have the potential to rule the gridiron. Imagine Lomu in his prime as a tight end or fullback. What about Pele? He just kicked a ball.

No disrespect to some of the athletes he named, as I think Bo Jackson is one of the greatest Athletes I’ll ever see, but to discount Armstrong’s achievements because he pedals a bike is arrogant. I invite him to try a Category 5 climb. If he makes it to the top, I’d like to see if he has the dexterity, grace, and guts it takes to decend above 30 mph.

What Lance, and every rider who finishes the tour, accomplishes cannot be understood until you try to take 16 pounds of carbon and aluminum up 6000 foot peak.

Barry Sanders was ten times the athlete Deon was.

I was just going to write the same thing…have heard Skip Brainless say and write this same sort of drivel for years. But others say similar things—“hey, it’s just riding a bike—*I *can do that!!”

Hey, we can all drive cars too but that doesn’t diminish the skill and athleticism of race car drivers…

LOL…
they could have had a Lance-proof tour so easily…one of the lawsuit invovling Ferrari was going on after jan 1st 2005. Therefore, if the Tour organizers had not wanted Lance to be at the Tour, they could have just applied the rule which says that any rider with a lawsuit pending because of doping is not allowed to start the Tour and neither is his team…

Looks like JM Leblanc really wanted to see LA and Disco after all…

Skip is famous for being an all around Asshole (pardon me). Don’t sweat his writings. He loves to get a rise out of people and since he’s a stick and ball guy, well that’s the demo that he is writing to. That way the couch potatoes of the world can feel good about Neck-Car and baseball. I Love what someone posted earlied here, by Frazz:

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I read it right through. I thought it was pretty fair. He - Bayless - is obviously biased towards the American Ball sports( Football, Baseball and Baskeball), but that’s his beat so it’s understood, to a certain degree. I thought his assessment of Armstrong in the context of cycling and endurance sports in general( those that depend on their VO2 max) was spot on.

Despite Armstrong’s success, profile and all he has done, cycling is not a big sport in the US, nor will it be any time soon. We IN the cycling community find this odd, but you can see it out there, that there are a number of sports that claim a higher profile at all levels. Bayless, points out that few kids grow up wanting to be cyclists and that’s true. I look in my own home with an eight year old kid who sees and is exposed lot of cycling( Me going out cycling. Watching bike racing on TV. Me and him reading cycling magazines. Me cycing with my son a lot. Lot’s of discussion amongst family members about cycling and bike racing) What’s the sport that he most favours - hockey( we’re Canadian), because that’s the sport that is talked about on the school ground most. I bet if I asked all my son’s friends who Lance Armstrong was, few if any of them would know who he is!

Anyway. It’s been a great run with Lance and now it’s over, so to speak. The next few years should be interesting, to say the least. With Lance gone, I do wonder what will happen to the media and the focus.

Fleck

I just sent him an email rebutting what he says and inviting him to go for a ride that will show him what i am talking about. Somehow I doubt i will even get a response.

I think what Bayless was getting at was that for many of the athletes in the pro Ball sports that are most dear to him Football, basketball and in particular baseball, it can all come down to that one clutch play - the long bomb to with the football game, the three pointer to win the NBA final, the bases- loaded in the ninth inning in a tie game situation in the World Series in baseball. Or say, the 15 foot putt to win the Master’s

I must admit, that I do love watch those sports situations as a viewer/fan, because they are so foreign to the world of endurance sports.

Fleck

skip isn’t the only bone head out there either. i was listening to scott wetzel on sporting news radio a week or so ago and in his infinite wisdom he proclaimed that “cyclists aren’t athelets”. he went on about how baseball, football, and all the other ball players are the real athletes. give me a break. cyclists don’t have innings or any of the other associated breaks that most ball players enjoy. i have no problem with these players being called athletes, because they are. but to say cyclists are not athletes is just…bone headed!

Bottom line is that if guys are writing articles saying they don’t think you’re the greatest athlete of all time, you gotta be in the running.

I wish Skip Bayless would write an article saying that he doesn’t think I’m the greatest athlete in the world.

Then why didn’t the Lions use him in pass coverage? They used Herman Moore, for gosh-sakes.

They never used Deon as a QB or Kicker, though.

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