I drink whiskey or wine most nights.
According to some people in this thread, I will be a crack addict soon. And my father must have died of alcohol abuse. And I am a drug cheat.
It just occurred to me that with all the fervent support for mj use on this forum, it would be interesting to know what % of Ironman participants would fail an in-competition test.
I have a hunch that out West, it may be substantial.
More absurd statements. If we were aspiring Olympians then we would read the rules and try to abide by them. You would see the same % of positive tests as you see now. Many many Olympian hopefuls live in OR, CA and CO and they manage not to test positive.
I also do not think that what you are observing is âfervent supportâ but rather an understanding that smoking marijuana does not automatically mean you are a drug addict.
In addition, those of you vilifying marijuana should read a bit more about this other legal drug that man of us, including you, enjoy: alcohol.
Since you attack me claiming I made statements regarding physical addiction (untrue) and also make aggressive blanket ass-umptions regarding my use of recreational drugs (I donââŹâ˘t drink alcohol), I think the term ââŹËferventââŹâ˘ if not ââŹËviciousââŹâ˘ is appropriate, IMO.
To make it clear:
I really donââŹâ˘t care what you put in your body as long as it doesnââŹâ˘t affect me, my health or my safety.
Driving/cycling/running/operating/handling otherwise dangerous or safety critical materials/equipment in my presence while having significant levels of THC in your system, qualifies as being problematic by all scientific knowledge.
It just occurred to me that with all the fervent support for mj use on this forum, it would be interesting to know what % of Ironman participants would fail an in-competition test.
I have a hunch that out West, it may be substantial.
More absurd statements. If we were aspiring Olympians then we would read the rules and try to abide by them. You would see the same % of positive tests as you see now. Many many Olympian hopefuls live in OR, CA and CO and they manage not to test positive.
I also do not think that what you are observing is âfervent supportâ but rather an understanding that smoking marijuana does not automatically mean you are a drug addict.
In addition, those of you vilifying marijuana should read a bit more about this other legal drug that man of us, including you, enjoy: alcohol.
Since you attack me claiming I made statements regarding physical addiction (untrue) and also make aggressive blanket ass-umptions regarding my use of recreational drugs (I donââŹâ˘t drink alcohol), I think the term ââŹËferventââŹâ˘ if not ââŹËviciousââŹâ˘ is appropriate, IMO.
To make it clear:
I really donââŹâ˘t care what you put in your body as long as it doesnââŹâ˘t affect me, my health or my safety.
Driving/cycling/running/operating/handling otherwise dangerous or safety critical materials/equipment in my presence while having significant levels of THC in your system, qualifies as being problematic by all scientific knowledge.
You should probably read my comment again mate and think about what each sentence means and whom it is directed towards. Phrases like âThose of youâ are, for example, hints. You should also consider if I âattacked youâ claiming you made statements on addiction but rather explained to you why people are responding the way they are namely with an understanding that eludes many posts on the previous 7 pages.
At least try to read the post carefully before you start typing in anger. It wasnât that difficult to understand.
** Alongside heroin, cocaine, and ecstasy. //**
A whole lot of athletes will be surprised to hear cocaine is not a performance enhancing drug. I would say just about every sprint sport there is, including basketball, football, and any other sport that has stop and gos would/have benefited from this drug.
I just meant itâs not classified as such by WADA. Which maybe it would be if it werenât already a âdrug of abuse.â
Though my understanding is that that various âstimulantâ drugs have pretty marginal benefit for performance compared to âthe good stuff.â (steroids, EPO).
It just occurred to me that with all the fervent support for mj use on this forum, it would be interesting to know what % of Ironman participants would fail an in-competition test.
I have a hunch that out West, it may be substantial.
More absurd statements. If we were aspiring Olympians then we would read the rules and try to abide by them. You would see the same % of positive tests as you see now. Many many Olympian hopefuls live in OR, CA and CO and they manage not to test positive.
I also do not think that what you are observing is âfervent supportâ but rather an understanding that smoking marijuana does not automatically mean you are a drug addict.
In addition, those of you vilifying marijuana should read a bit more about this other legal drug that man of us, including you, enjoy: alcohol.
Since you attack me claiming I made statements regarding physical addiction (untrue) and also make aggressive blanket ass-umptions regarding my use of recreational drugs (I donââŹâ˘t drink alcohol), I think the term ââŹËferventââŹâ˘ if not ââŹËviciousââŹâ˘ is appropriate, IMO.
To make it clear:
I really donââŹâ˘t care what you put in your body as long as it doesnââŹâ˘t affect me, my health or my safety.
Driving/cycling/running/operating/handling otherwise dangerous or safety critical materials/equipment in my presence while having significant levels of THC in your system, qualifies as being problematic by all scientific knowledge.
You should probably read my comment again mate and think about what each sentence means and whom it is directed towards. Phrases like âThose of youâ are, for example, hints. You should also consider if I âattacked youâ claiming you made statements on addiction but rather explained to you why people are responding the way they are namely with an understanding that eludes many posts on the previous 7 pages.
At least try to read the post carefully before you start typing in anger. It wasnât that difficult to understand.
OK, glad we cleared that up.
I would agree that those whoââŹËd race with THC in their system would be certainly not those expecting to be tested under current protocols (Pros, top AG).
But otherwise the % would be mostly representative of mj use in the general population under any given time and circumstance.
If you have arguments or data to suggest otherwise, I would have liked to know in response to my initial post on this subject.
It sure also would be a interesting Slowtwitch poll.
It just occurred to me that with all the fervent support for mj use on this forum, it would be interesting to know what % of Ironman participants would fail an in-competition test.
I have a hunch that out West, it may be substantial.
The tri community in Australia is pretty straight. A few party boys, but generally post race everyone is tucked up in bed by 10pm. If I was going to indulge in narcotics, it wouldnât be during a 12 week build to a big race. Doing a 20km training run in the heat after a night on the coke isnât fun at all and you very soon learn that itâs better to be a good little boy.
Maybe someday the IOC will change the rules on THC, but for now it is still in there.
Iâm not sure what the rules are with THC. Did someone say initially she was handed a 4 year suspension? If so, thatâs insane and that definitely needs to change.
I was actually about to write that there still needs to be some kind of ban as itâs bad role modelling having elite athletes taking elicit drugs, but then why should alcohol get a free pass. Ban someone for smoking a joint in a state where itâs legal, but itâs OK for them to go on a 3 day drinking bender.
In Australia, the NRL (national rugby league) ban players for bringing the sport into disrepute. So that also includes drinking as well as drugs. They donât really differentiate between say weed and booze. Youâre a role model, if you act like a dick youâre going to get banned. Players have been banned for taking stupid selfies, shagging girls in pub toilets, getting vomit drunk etc
It just occurred to me that with all the fervent support for mj use on this forum, it would be interesting to know what % of Ironman participants would fail an in-competition test.
I have a hunch that out West, it may be substantial.
The tri community in Australia is pretty straight. A few party boys, but generally post race everyone is tucked up in bed by 10pm. If I was going to indulge in narcotics, it wouldnât be during a 12 week build to a big race. Doing a 20km training run in the heat after a night on the coke isnât fun at all and you very soon learn that itâs better to be a good little boy.
Wow. Maybe I just keep reading things wrong in this thread.
âA night on the cokeâ is quite a different thing than âmarijuana useâ, isnât it? (And Iâm eagerly awaiting other Australianâs comments on your views of that tri community.)
Iâve known several serious/elite runners, who, from time to time, enjoy some pot now and then. (Itâs legal here!) They really are all good little boys.
It just occurred to me that with all the fervent support for mj use on this forum, it would be interesting to know what % of Ironman participants would fail an in-competition test.
I have a hunch that out West, it may be substantial.
The tri community in Australia is pretty straight. A few party boys, but generally post race everyone is tucked up in bed by 10pm. If I was going to indulge in narcotics, it wouldnât be during a 12 week build to a big race. Doing a 20km training run in the heat after a night on the coke isnât fun at all and you very soon learn that itâs better to be a good little boy.
Wow. Maybe I just keep reading things wrong in this thread.
âA night on the cokeâ is quite a different thing than âmarijuana useâ, isnât it? (And Iâm eagerly awaiting other Australianâs comments on your views of that tri community.)
Iâve known several serious/elite runners, who, from time to time, enjoy some pot now and then. (Itâs legal here!) They really are all good little boys.
I donât really know. Coke is highly addictive and a dangerous drug. But in some ways weed is pretty dangerous too. Iâm guessing there are lots of people that work, train, are fully functional, stable people that enjoy a quiet spliff at the end of the day. But when I was in school, the only drug we could get our hands on was weed. And I had a lot of mates that just became chronic users, it took over their lives and for many was a gateway drug to harder stuff. Alcohol shouldnât get a free pass and neither should weed.
I notice you make most of your posts in the lavender room. This isnât the lavender room. Deliberately not quoting you so you can delete that trash.
That is just typical BS similar to what he usually posts.
Much easier to just ignore him.
I notice you make most of your posts in the lavender room. This isnât the lavender room. Deliberately not quoting you so you can delete that trash.
That is just typical BS similar to what he usually posts.
Much easier to just ignore him.
So let me get this straight. OP is about homegirl smoking pot because her mom died, and whatââŹÂŚwe canââŹâ˘t discuss whether her mom was a pot smoker too?!? Maybe her mom and her smoked pot together. Heck maybe her mom even got her started on pot! WhatââŹâ˘s wrong with that? Why, to hear yaââŹâ˘ll tell it that would be the feel good personal profile story of the Olympics!
I get it. Know the Rules. Follow the Rules.
But, thought this was a good perspecttive. First portion echoes some good arguements made in this thread thus far. Then a discussion about Cannabis Use Disorder.
Head of Adolescent Medicine at Mass General
I notice you make most of your posts in the lavender room. This isnât the lavender room. Deliberately not quoting you so you can delete that trash.
That is just typical BS similar to what he usually posts.
Much easier to just ignore him.
Thanks, totally agree. I thought there was a chance they got the wrong forum by accident. Pointed that out and Iâm done now. Do not need to be dealing with people like that.
It just occurred to me that with all the fervent support for mj use on this forum, it would be interesting to know what % of Ironman participants would fail an in-competition test.
I have a hunch that out West, it may be substantial.
The tri community in Australia is pretty straight. A few party boys, but generally post race everyone is tucked up in bed by 10pm. If I was going to indulge in narcotics, it wouldnât be during a 12 week build to a big race. Doing a 20km training run in the heat after a night on the coke isnât fun at all and you very soon learn that itâs better to be a good little boy.
Wow. Maybe I just keep reading things wrong in this thread.
âA night on the cokeâ is quite a different thing than âmarijuana useâ, isnât it? (And Iâm eagerly awaiting other Australianâs comments on your views of that tri community.)
Iâve known several serious/elite runners, who, from time to time, enjoy some pot now and then. (Itâs legal here!) They really are all good little boys.
I donât really know. Coke is highly addictive and a dangerous drug. But in some ways weed is pretty dangerous too. Iâm guessing there are lots of people that work, train, are fully functional, stable people that enjoy a quiet spliff at the end of the day. But when I was in school, the only drug we could get our hands on was weed. And I had a lot of mates that just became chronic users, it took over their lives and for many was a gateway drug to harder stuff. Alcohol shouldnât get a free pass and neither should weed.
ROTFLââŹÂŚ
You are killing me.
After all these posts.
I see some heads explode around here.
I see some heads explode around here.
ha ha yup
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OK, I havenât really believed this to be true, but he made me look:
https://cannabisnow.com/...cannabis-dependence/
So yes, tactless behavior by Big John, but the facts, maâam.
Also, our society has plenty of examples where people taking cocaine are outwards-facing highly functional, can control their behavior, but nevertheless hopelessly addicted.
And then, at some point or due to some event, lose control.
YeahââŹÂŚsorryââŹÂŚI assumed it was common knowledge that drug users are often introduced to drugs by family members, and yes, even mom and dad and kids will smoke dope together.
Positive drug test in competition?
Lifetime Ban
Play stoopid games win stoopid prizes. Everybody dies, deal with it.
âŚFor smoking pot? OK, boomer. Should we also put people in jail for life for shoplifting a snickers bar? This country and our obsession with punishing people for minor drug use is archaic and embarassing.
Performance enhancing? Yeah, maybe if youâre not hungry but you know you gotta get carbs in the night before. Do me a favor and try it one time and youâll realize how absurd the stigma against it is.
She had ZERO competitive advantage, she did not hinder anyone elseâs peformance. Get rid of the damn marijuana ban and let the woman race.
This is why we require that multiple individuals constitute judicial panelsâŚto compensate for those individuals that are just hopelessly illogical.
Positive drug test in competition?
Lifetime Ban
Play stoopid games win stoopid prizes. Everybody dies, deal with it.
âŚFor smoking pot? OK, boomer. Should we also put people in jail for life for shoplifting a snickers bar? This country and our obsession with punishing people for minor drug use is archaic and embarassing.
Performance enhancing? Yeah, maybe if youâre not hungry but you know you gotta get carbs in the night before. Do me a favor and try it one time and youâll realize how absurd the stigma against it is.
She had ZERO competitive advantage, she did not hinder anyone elseâs peformance. Get rid of the damn marijuana ban and let the woman race.
Get rid of the ban on marijuana - YES
Let her race - NO. She knew about the rules and she broke them. I think her acceptance of her error and not pleading innocence was a mature statement
Iâve been reading a lot of condemnation of her here, but I feel the same way you do. It never seemed to me that she was contesting the punishment. She offered an explanation, yes, but I havenât come across any material to suggest that she was making excuses, in the sense that she should be exempted from disciplinary action.
ItââŹâ˘s all the thingsââŹÂŚ it can be simultaneously
- Dumb that weed is illegal
- Reasonable that jobs and sports have the requirements and tests that they do
- Tragic and completely understandable that she would be grieving for her mom
- Typical for a young person or any human really to make a bad personal decision that effects broader life, ie. a mistake
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Fact is she chose drugs over the Olympics. What a sad choice. Addicts choose drugs over everything to include their loved ones. The bigger story here is her drug addiction. I hope she gets help.
This is an absurd proclamation. At minimum, you speak from a place of ignorance on marijuana. I, and I am sure many others, will use this post to discount every other post from you in the future.
I know all about Marijuana as I live in a state where people smoke it like cigarettes. Contrary to belief itâs very addictive and it is a gateway drug. Sorry but it a fact.
I feel bad for her poor choice, but fact is she couldnât stay clean for a couple of weeks. Sounds like an addiction and not sporadic recreational use as people love to throw out there.
Youâre using the word âfactâ here to overstate and misrepresent the state of the literature. Thatâs a problem that I suspect is habitual.