Separation of Church & State? Not in Florida

Gov. Bush touts Christian-based program for schools

By Dara Kam

Special to The Palm Beach Post

Wednesday, July 06, 2005

TALLAHASSEE — Just before Father’s Day, Gov. Jeb Bush announced that he wanted every public school in Florida to host a Christian-based program designed to increase fathers’ participation in their children’s lives.

The program, All Pro Dad, combines a biblical foundation with the draw of popular professional athletes to promote the belief that “the father is the head of the household” and that men should rely on God to help them be better parents and keep their marriages intact. It also encourages Bible reading.

“This is a really great program,” Bush said at a news conference last month, though he did not make any reference to the project’s Christian foundation. “The response of this program has been a success, and I hope it expands throughout the entire state to every school in every school district.”

But critics say the program, which has a direct link on the Florida Department of Education Web site, clearly has Christian overtones and is part of a national effort by evangelicals who view public schools as recruiting fields.

An official state Web site should not be linked to such an organization, said Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Lynn said the link violates the First Amendment, which prohibits government from establishing a state religion and at the same time prohibits government from interfering with religious practices.

“This has a very clear religious message, so that’s wrong and that should be stopped immediately,” Lynn said from his office in Washington. “This is an overtly fundamentalist Christian worldview that’s being promoted.”

Program popular in Tampa area

The All Pro Dad program is used in about 60 locations in 20 states, including a dozen Tampa Bay-area public schools. Monthly breakfast meetings are held in school cafeterias or nearby Chick-fil-A restaurants. There are no active chapters in Palm Beach, Martin or St. Lucie counties.

Last month, however, Florida K-12 public schools Chancellor Jim Warford touted the program to the state’s 67 school superintendents.

“I encourage you to go to http://www.allprodad.com/yourneigh borhood.asp to get a free introductory DVD about the program and how you can get fathers more involved in your schools,” Warford wrote in a June 17 memo. The memo does not include information about the program’s religious orientation.

Department of Education officials defended the state’s endorsement of the Christian-based program, but otherwise referred queries about All Pro Dad to Volunteer Florida, a Bush-appointed nonprofit agency charged with faith and community outreach.

“It’s appropriate for the Department of Education to endorse programs that encourage parents to be involved in their children’s lives. We would support any program that would encourage that,” department spokeswoman Melanie Etters said. “The fact is that a lot of the people that participate in the All Pro Dads are NFL stars and they reach out to some populations that the Department of Education wouldn’t attract.”

Etters said the department “welcomes other programs” that would promote parental involvement in their children’s lives.

But Howard Simon, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida, said Bush and the department’s endorsement of the program is indicative of the governor’s disregard for the state constitution, which prohibits spending state money, directly or indirectly, on religious programs.

“It may be a wonderful program, but a program that encourages Bible reading and strengthening your relationship with God is not the kind of program that should be sponsored by the public schools, nor should it be the kind of program that is organized and facilitated by the public schools,” Simon said.

“From vouchers, from faith-based initiatives, to the nation’s first faith-based prisons, this governor has a blind spot when it comes to the constitutional requirement on separation of church and state. He’s completely uncritical. He doesn’t believe that reading the Bible and strengthening your relationship with God is a faith-based message.”

The Florida Supreme Court is now considering whether Bush’s 6-year-old Opportunity Scholarship Program is constitutional. The program gives vouchers for students at failing schools to attend private schools, including religious schools.

Two lower courts have struck down the voucher program, declaring it violated the constitutional provision barring state tax dollars from being spent on religious institutions.

The All Pro Dad curriculum was created by Family First, a Tampa-based nonprofit “research and educational organization,” according to founder and President Mark Merrill. It is being promoted throughout the nation, in part with the help of fast-food chain Chick-fil-A, whose founder, S. Truett Cathy, is a Southern Baptist. Merrill was tapped by Bush, a Catholic, to serve on Volunteer Florida’s 25-member board.

Mulrennan Middle School in Valrico, east of Tampa, promotes All Pro Dad on its school marquee and in newsletters. The school also advertises the program on its radio and television stations, said assistant principal Matthew Diprima, who organizes the monthly meetings.

“This is something the school supports, and this is something that’s fostered by the school,” Diprima said.

He said the Mulrennan group meets at a neighborhood Chick-fil-A, which donates materials to the children who participate. The group uses the All Pro Dad Web site to choose topics for discussion.

Included on the Web site are tips for fathers, including “Ten Ways to be a Better Dad” and “How to Save Your Marriage.”

Father called ‘head coach’ of family

One of the marriage-saving lessons, written by All Pro Dad Director Bryan Davis, coaches men to pray with their wives.

“God has joined you and your wife together. He is the Author of love and marital harmony. Deepening your relationship with Him is the key and foundation of a successful marriage. If you haven’t cracked open a Bible in a while, start. Find I Corinthians 13 and give it a read. It’s the perfect blueprint for your marriage,” Davis advises.

A video introduction by Indianapolis Colts coach Tony Dungy, All Pro Dad’s national spokesman, lays the groundwork for good parenting by establishing the father as the “head coach” of the family.

“That’s the biblical way it’s set up. Mom and Dad directing the family together, with the dad being the head of the household,” Dungy instructs participants. “Now that doesn’t always happen… but that’s the ideal way and the best way, and that’s the way we’re going to function the best.”

But the group’s president last week did not directly answer several questions about the Bible’s role in the All Pro Dad resources.

“Isn’t that self-evident?” Merrill said. “A lot of the principles contained in the Old and New Testaments really are superior principles for raising children and for living.”

And the right wing wonders why those of us with common sense are so against the influence/influx of religion in government/schools/everyday life.

Your post is just another example of the discrimination that Christians face everywhere in the US today. :slight_smile:

Hmmm… it seems your post is an example of Christians who believe the are discriminated against but do not discriminate themselves…

It seems the pendalum swings both ways…

Joe

Huh?

Yeah…huh?

T.

**Gov. Jeb Bush announced that he wanted every public school in Florida to host a Christian-based program designed to increase fathers’ participation in their children’s lives. **

It is permisible for a school to allow a religious group to use the school facilities if an Open System has been established. Open meaning that the school allows community groups use the facilities for meetings, etc. Once you open it up, you cannot discriminate … even to religous groups. I believe the legal precedent is the Lamb’s Chapel one (from memory), where they wanted to show a film series on the family (Dobson’s, again from memory).

The government mandating (and IMO even encouraging) schools to host such a group greatly violates the Establishment clause and dramatically fails the Lemon Test (The Religion and School chapter was the one I presented in my EdAmin course, School Law).

In short, Bush can suggest all he wants. It won’t be instituted.

There is nothing wrong or illegal with a religious group using the school as a meeting place (church services are prohibited), provided that the school has already established and Open system (described above). It is a quite common practice in communities where the school facilities act as a hub for community groups. The trend is to move away from Open systems and keep the facilities closed to every group. Obviously, we (as future admins) are encouraged, for legal reasons mostly, to not open the facilities up to the community. Once you open it up, it is very difficult (legally) to keep groups out without having a discrimination suit against you.

I would not be surprised if there are Promise Keeper, MOPS (Mothers of Preschoolers), etc meetings in some community that meet on public school facilities during non-instructional time. The school (mentioned in the OP) that is promoting the group by including it in the newsletter is likely going too far.

The vocal outrage that will likely come from females touting All-Pro dads as “discriminating against women” will likely be louder than the vocal displeasure from those pointing out the violating of the Establishment Clause … but that’s likely another thread unto itself.

And the right wing wonders why those of us with common sense are so against the influence/influx of religion in government/schools/everyday life.

Edit: This would be an example that jhc and others could use as overtly religious influence on government policy that I would agree is “religious influence”.

Huh… What?

So it seems the idea of (or thought of) Christians (or any religious group) discriminating against other ideologies/groups is a foriegn concept? Hmmm… and I thought this was the mother of all “think tanks” - the Lavender Room… :slight_smile:

Do I reeeally need to cut and paste articles that sight such examples… I hope not… mainly because I’m not the cut and paste sort of person.

Joe

It’s how your getting you idea out. What exactly are you saying? I’m slow and have a little mind. :slight_smile:


The vocal outrage that will likely come from females touting All-Pro dads as “discriminating against women” will likely be louder than the vocal displeasure from those pointing out the violating of the Establishment Clause …

I hope they are equally loud, because they are both salient arguments.

Tip 1 - I never try and draw attention to my small mind… but, rather my large penis… :slight_smile:

Sometimes it works… sometimes it doesn’t… it’s ALL about perspective.

Joe

he wanted every public school in Florida to host a Christian-based program designed to increase fathers’ participation in their children’s lives.

Unbelievable, what is this world coming to? The next thing you know people are going to encourage parents to teach their kids about the perils of drug use or try to get them to stay in school or make good healthy eating choices. If this keeps up, we may eventually get to the point where our young people are respectful and well behaved.

I say, stop this madness now before it gets out of hand. Who do those Christians think they are?

:slight_smile:
How would you feel if Gov. Bush were pushing for a similar program which was based on atheism, and which actively pushed the idea that religion was a really bad thing?

Hmmm… it seems your post is an example of Christians who believe the are discriminated against but do not discriminate themselves…

It seems the pendalum swings both ways…

Joe
Did you miss the :slight_smile: in trio-jeepy’s post?

Ken & Casey … I thought the same thing that Ken expressed. I agree that a program that would encourage fathers to get more involved in their children’s lives would be fantastic … even one encouraged and vocally supported, but not financially, by public schools … but not one based on religion and includes reading religious texts.

There are a number of reasons, starting with Violation of the Estashment Clause, and including the fact that schools have enough on their plate, as if with trying to meet NCLB standards, trying to make sure kids get fed (sometimes providing 2 meals of the day), keeping kids safe, dealing with emotional/behaviorial problems, dealing with financial constraints, dealing with sex, drugs, violence, bullying, etc on and on, is not enough to deal with. It bothers me that Bush has the need to impose more demands on public schools for something non-essential. It also bothers me that it is an overt attempt to get religion supported by public schools. Would they offer other such programs for non-religious people?

The local YMCA could not sponsor such a program? The local churches could not sponsor such a program?

I am looking forward to the Satanists getting their shot at recruiting in the schools. They should certainly get equal time, don’t you all think? Thanks Jeb. Another job well done.

Doh! {smacking head}

Now… hmmm (patiently tapping foot with pensive look}… - Should I change my eye glasses or my shroom supplier?

Joe Moya