It looks like both sides are lining up their shrill guns ready to fire the first salvo as soon as the nominee is announced. If Drudge is correct re the speculation (and given his recent track record I’m certainly not hopeful) and the choice is Edith Clement, I think the right is going to be screaming. On a side note, if Rehnquist retires & Bush nominates Gonzalez down the road for SCOTUS + Chief Justice, the scream of the RR is going to be quiet enjoyable to be heard.
So, given that we haven’t had a drag-out, nobody can agree fight for a while, lets hit the abortion ball around for a while. I’m dying to hear Brian286’s completely irrational take on why abortion is immoral & how all women who have had abortions are damned to hell.
I don’t understand how Conservatives, who preach personal responsibility & non-government interferrence, can be so against abortion & want the government to legislate in this one arena. This type of hypocrisy is why I will never be a conservative, or part of the right-wing, though I may agree with some of their views/beliefs. Conservatives have hitched their sled to the religious right, and the mutation that has evolved is scary & riddled with hypocrites. Shiavo is a perfect example.
Speaking personally, I think that whatever a woman wants to do with her body, until the fetus becomes viable on its own, is pretty much her business. I actually agreed with Ann Coulter a couple of weeks ago when she was on Hannity, as she acknowledges that at best it is a state’s right issue, and that the California/New York/Illinois/Massachusets of the world will never outlaw abortion, at least during our lifetime. Edith Clement has acknowledged that SCOTUS has already ruled on abortion & it is a dead issue–I think she’ll scare the right much more than the left. If Roe v. Wade was overturned, I think it would be such a long-term blow against the Republican party that it would take decades to recover as they would lose pretty much all of the middle/independent female vote.
Those who are agianst abortion (myself) is abortion as the taking of a human life. Those who support abortion do not see any human life.
Rowe Vs. Wade is wrong because it is not a federal issue. It is a state issue and it should be left for the states.
Now the aregument you are dying for is sick on both sides. You want your chance to scream your ideas about men controling women and jesus freaks and Brian will scream about mass murder and Jesus.
You are in danger of becoming a radical right to lifer. Sounds like you want to overturn Roe simply because it is a terrible decison that ought to go. Then send the issue back to the states where it can be determined by elected officials through the democratic process. I know that sounds radical, but that is how we used to decide things in this country.
I am sure that most states, maybe even all states, will allow abortion under many circumstances. So be it. I don’t mind losing through the democratic process. Losing via a fatwah issued from five guys in black pajamas who read something in the Constitution that isn’t there is a problem for me, and for many others.
Funny, England somehow managed to allow abortion through the democratic process. Many don’t like the result, though nearly everyone accepts it, and it is a nonissue in that country as a result.
What does my personal opinion on the matter have to do any of this? I have one and given the opportunity I would vote according to my beliefs.
Your statement regarding “irrationality” only goes to prove how hypocritical of a person you are…on one hand you claim to be so open and allow people to choose what they do with their lives and bodies but in the same breath go on to say how “irrational” those who differ from you opinion think.
I think abortion is the taking of a human life. I think abortion after the 2nd trimester is no different than outright murder. Before the end of the 2nd trimester the child cannot feel pain, so while it is still killing at least it does not feel the pain of the procedure.
On the moral side there is no question, only when two lives are balanced against each other (risk to the mother) can an abortion take place that is morally acceptable.
But law doesn’t reside solely on moral standing.
And since we are a nation built on freedom and the Constitution, I understand that my moral belief on the matter must have some kind of logical framework to back it up before I force it onto others. The weight of my own emotional outrage is not enough to impugn the freedoms of others.
Further, our Constitution is designed to protect the freedoms of the individual against the tyranny of the majority. A woman born in Mississippi should have the same rights as a woman born in Vermont.
In the battle of emotional outrage versus freedom; freedom must win. Therefore, abortion should be available, at least in the first trimester, to all women in the nation.
I won’t argue with most of what you right here, except the part about people having the same rights in different states. That is simply not the way our government is organized. We have 50 states. We have 50 legislatures. They all make laws and many will be different from one state to the other.
The alternative is to simply give all power to the federal government. I don’t think you want to go there.
**I think abortion is the taking of a human life. **
Well, that’s good, because it indisutably is.
**But law doesn’t reside solely on moral standing. **
What else then?
I understand that my moral belief on the matter must have some kind of logical framework to back it up before I force it onto others.
So somehow you don’t think your beliefs have any logical framework to them?
our Constitution is designed to protect the freedoms of the individual against the tyranny of the majority. A woman born in Mississippi should have the same rights as a woman born in Vermont.
Well, so much for federalism. Let’s just disband the states now.
I think that whatever a woman wants to do with her body, until the fetus becomes viable on its own, is pretty much her business.
I am all for giving mothers, fathers, and anyone else the right to do with their bodies whatever they want…However giving a mother the right to kill an unborn fetus extends beyond “her” body. Doesn’t it?
I think that whatever a woman wants to do with her body, until the fetus becomes viable on its own, is pretty much her business.
I am all for giving mothers, fathers, and anyone else the right to do with their bodies whatever they want…
Does that mean you support the legalization of all drugs?
