Running in trumpland - a good blogpost

Just sharing a blogpost I came across on the marathon forums. I thought it was fair and well written, a nice perspective and critique of running in a part of America today.

http://thegauntlife.blogspot.com/...ng-in-trumpland.html

“Finally I recall Matt, one of my first training partners from high school. Matt talked a big game about his running goals, how he was going to get super fit the next season. But whenever I would call to ask him about joining for a training run or some interval work, he would opt out, citing a party, or tendonitis, or some girl. A few years ago I was home for the holidays, running around town on a long run. Matt happened to drive by in his car. He noticed me and called out hello. I waved in response. The car drove past, then Matt strangely slammed on his brakes and pulled the car over in front me. To my surprise, he stormed out, screaming, “What the ** was that man? What the **? Are you wanting to get messed up today?” It was, yet again, a moment where a white southerner had me utterly flummoxed. “Oh, I thought you gave me the middle finger,” Matt eventually confessed, after I explained I had no idea what he was talking about. I hadn’t seen the guy in years, but a perceived slight led him to nearly take my head off.”

that is a great read - thanks for pointing us toward that. as a cyclist, these rural roads are the lifeblood to feed my cycling passion and yet they are home to those who stand for almost everything i oppose. common ground in tarmac only? thanks again for the tip.

^^Exactly what I was thinking. Best cycling routes here are rural roads.Gave up riding them about 2 years ago. It will probably get more dangerous now. Lots of Trump signs along those roads. It is only a matter of time before someone is run over on purpose. There’s really only one road in the urban area long enough, with shoulders, and no stop lights. So every ride is exactly the same now. Bummer. But the drivers treat us very well.

that is a great read - thanks for pointing us toward that. as a cyclist, these rural roads are the lifeblood to feed my cycling passion and yet they are home to those who stand for almost everything i oppose. common ground in tarmac only? thanks again for the tip.

Yup.

I’ve long known that most those living on those deep back-country roads I love to ride are die-hard GOP, but for years I’ve just pegged their position in my mind as loving their guns and hating their government and laughed and brushed off their Bush/Cheney and McCain/Palin yard signs as poor people naively voting against their own best interests because they’ve been blinded by the red herrings of gun rights and lifestyle issues. Whatever.

Then came rolling coal on cyclists, pruis drivers, black lives matters protests, “libtards”, and on and on. When that became a thing I had a bit of trouble justifying that behavior in my mind under any rationale.

Then came the proud flying of the Confederate Flag. As a blatant racist symbol, it really turned my stomach to ride past so many yards with a big fat “f*ck you black people” sign in the yard and trucks, which is exactly the message a Confederate Flag sends.

Then came Trump support and 80% Trump vote in a region that desperately needs so many things he has promised to take away.

So now I’m disenchanted. I no longer have any passion to attract cyclists out to an area of rural America that I consider to be absolute tier-1 cycling roads in the world. I used to do it with pride. Now I’m embarrassed.

I’ll try to take positive attitude and think “common ground in tarmac”. But, I don’t know that I can.

i hear you. i know we love recreating on the same roads.
i don’t like that the politicians pandering to the rural vote stoop to such a vile level of discourse (while offering policy ideas that only fatten the plutocrat class), as a middle school teacher, there is no way we could allow any student to speak in a manner anywhere close to the president elect. ironically trump would be disqualified to be a middle school officer yet its ok for him to be president.
maybe it would be better if there were more teachers in politics??

as for the rural roads, i am struck by the thought that maybe the best jobs folks in these areas could hope for is good infrastructure to make these areas desirable for recreation tourism. it took me a week of wondering whether i would now be run over in ‘trumpland’ or just harassed as usual. maybe i’m deluding myself but i’m back to thinking the cell phone is my more likely demise.

hang in there - and ride with friends - its safer and no doubt the camaraderie is what we humans crave.

That’s one of the most judgemental things I’ve ever read. I grew up, and still live, in the most rural place you can imagine. Not once have I ever been harassed running or biking. I’ve biked highways and backroads and everyone here has been nothing but respectful. There’s good and bad everywhere, don’t generalise.

Not joking, get some US army cycling kit. Marines would work too, but that big army star is easily recognizable from afar. Back when I used to ride in rural areas I would routinely get honked at, cut off, called a queer, etc, but it all magically stopped when riding with my veteran friend in his army kit. I think it bought us an extra few feet when getting passed too.

As for the post, good read and certainly matches a lot of my experiences from my years spent in god’s country. Really kind of disheartening though, if anything it all just keeps getting worse and I really don’t see much light at the end of the tunnel in terms of either improving quality of life in these regions or people’s outlooks. If you thought globalization was a bitch, just wait until you see where automation takes us.

That’s one of the most judgemental things I’ve ever read. I grew up, and still live, in the most rural place you can imagine. Not once have I ever been harassed running or biking. I’ve biked highways and backroads and everyone here has been nothing but respectful. There’s good and bad everywhere, don’t generalise.

I’m ok with that generalization. It was rational, composed, and clearly he put a lot of thought into that. I’m sure many will not agree with it, and that’s ok. If you’ve got something presenting it from the other side, I’m very interested in reading that as well.

Clearly, if you’ve never been harassed where you are, your experience is totally different, and I could def see how you wouldn’t agree with him at all. It however, doesn’t take away the reality of his experiences, even if they are unique to him.

^^Exactly what I was thinking. Best cycling routes here are rural roads.Gave up riding them about 2 years ago. It will probably get more dangerous now. Lots of Trump signs along those roads. It is only a matter of time before someone is run over on purpose. There’s really only one road in the urban area long enough, with shoulders, and no stop lights. So every ride is exactly the same now. Bummer. But the drivers treat us very well.

I live on the edge of Trumpland in Ohio and I was more worried about aggressive drivers who I assume are Trump supporters being more aggressive and angry if he would have lost the electoral college vote because they would have felt they had even less to lose, but I can also see the current feeling of empowerment embolding them to be even more aggressive when encountering lycra clad cyclists who they assume are liberals.

Of course, I also see plenty of distracted, dangerous drivers that I assume voted for Clinton when riding in Columbus, which is in one of the handful of counties in Ohio where Clinton had a majority of the votes.

Also agree that wearing a kit with the flag, USA and red, white and blue colors seems to cause drivers to give me a bit more room on the road.

More and more members of this society are ethically and morally inept, crippled or corrupt…

End of story.

Just sharing a blogpost I came across on the marathon forums. I thought it was fair and well written, a nice perspective and critique of running in a part of America today.

http://thegauntlife.blogspot.com/...ng-in-trumpland.html

“Finally I recall Matt, one of my first training partners from high school. Matt talked a big game about his running goals, how he was going to get super fit the next season. But whenever I would call to ask him about joining for a training run or some interval work, he would opt out, citing a party, or tendonitis, or some girl. A few years ago I was home for the holidays, running around town on a long run. Matt happened to drive by in his car. He noticed me and called out hello. I waved in response. The car drove past, then Matt strangely slammed on his brakes and pulled the car over in front me. To my surprise, he stormed out, screaming, “What the ** was that man? What the **? Are you wanting to get messed up today?” It was, yet again, a moment where a white southerner had me utterly flummoxed. “Oh, I thought you gave me the middle finger,” Matt eventually confessed, after I explained I had no idea what he was talking about. I hadn’t seen the guy in years, but a perceived slight led him to nearly take my head off.”

That’s one of the most judgemental things I’ve ever read. There’s good and bad everywhere, don’t generalise.
It certainly is. Try riding through some of the neighborhoods that voted 100% Democrat in Philly, there’s a good chance you won’t make it out alive. I’ve had just as many run ins on the road with pick up truck drivers as I have Prius drivers with Obama stickers on the bumper.

So, if I have a bad experience with a group of people, it’s ok to assume they are all, or mostly, like that? Way to be open minded.

I lived in eastern NC for 3 years, riding almost exclusively those back two lane roads. Harassment wasn’t too bad, I figured because they were all 50 or 55 mph so people were going too fast to bother. Did have some coins thrown in my face from an oncoming pick up truck. It was pretty much always some ass in a pick up truck that would give me trouble. Actually the biggest hassle was being chased by the dogs which plenty of people let run wild.

Been in Maine for about 7 years now and have yet to be chased by a dog, which was pretty much a weekly if not nearly daily occurrence down there.

You actually thought that essay was fair? I can cite l some experiences I’ve had while running and riding through “urban” neighborhoods that were similar to his experiences in rural areas. Is that “Obama’s America”? I would never paint blacks with the same broad brush he so easily paints whites with.
I get that he’s a leftist and hates Trump. But is every negative experience he has in a red state going to be laid at the feet of Trump?

Bingo. Same goes for Baltimore City. I guess I was more in danger than I thought when Obama was elected since somehow it would have emboldened people in the city to harass or attack me.

That’s one of the most judgemental things I’ve ever read. There’s good and bad everywhere, don’t generalise.
It certainly is. Try riding through some of the neighborhoods that voted 100% Democrat in Philly, there’s a good chance you won’t make it out alive. I’ve had just as many run ins on the road with pick up truck drivers as I have Prius drivers with Obama stickers on the bumper.

Speaking as an outsider, it’s astonishing how polarised US society seems to have become. Or perhaps it always has been and the difference is that it’s now got a huge spotlight pointed at it via social media and radical politicians?
The US has always had a major obsession with labelling the good guys and the bad guys - or it seems that way from the outside. This is a terrible start when trying to resolve differences. Sharing differing opinions and viewpoints, empathy and compromise are the root of any civilised society. US society seems to keep drawing lines and telling everyone to pick a side. This can only end badly.

Sounds like an issue with North Carolina, or even maybe the author’s particular hometown. I grew up in the Midwest (Nebraska and Kansas) and lived in semi-rural Texas for almost 10 years, and have never, ever once had an issue with running outdoors, and all of those states went solidly to Trump (I vote Libertarian, btw). In fact, in these areas and other rural areas we visit, my wife constantly comments that people are much more cordial and go out of their way to help you in day to day situations (and almost zero incidences of rudeness/harassment) than in her hometown of Philly (not the best example) or where we currently live in NYC.

Moreover, it’s hard to imagine that passing citizens can deduce your sexual orientation, political leanings, social status and/or income level by causally observing you running on the side of the road. I’m suspicious of the writer’s motivations to be frank. While I understand that the “deep” south (not sure if NC qualifies) is different than the areas I’ve lived in, I doubt (nor can the author show proof) that a locale’s propensity for rudeness/harassment and being in “Trumpland” have a causal link.

Sounds like an issue with North Carolina, or even maybe the author’s particular hometown.

I was harassed more often living in the DE/MD/PA area. Slower roads and more people. I haven’t ridden all that much since moving to Maine but I can’t recall being yelled at or anything a single time. On the flip side the roads suck for the most part.

That’s one of the most judgemental things I’ve ever read. I grew up, and still live, in the most rural place you can imagine. Not once have I ever been harassed running or biking. I’ve biked highways and backroads and everyone here has been nothing but respectful. There’s good and bad everywhere, don’t generalise.

I still don’t think it’s judgmental.

This author seems to be honestly laying out his own personal experiences with running in his area. If he were lying, ok, I’d call him extremely judgmental. But he is one who grew up in that area, understands it well, and is coming back to it to re-evaluate it again from a fresh perspective. You can’t ask for a more fair assessment.

And when he writes about his experiences, they are his actual experiences. I don’t think he’s lying - he could be, but there’s no real motivation to do so on a free blogpost. And while your experiences may be completely carefree with running in the Deep South so you have your own view, he his allowed to have his own view based on his experiences.

I also suspect you’d come a lot closer to his perspective if this happened to you:

*Running along Carolina roads between 2000 and 2010 was an experience of sustained hostility, punctuated by moments of real violence. While out running in rural Carolina I have been spit on, had lit cigarettes and bottles of beer thrown at me by passing cars. Both men and women have called me a “faggot” more times I can count. (Being the target of homophobia is an inherent risk if you wander outdoors in running shorts.) I have gotten into scuffles with white men of all ages. Running with my college team in Greenville, an old man in his seventies once pulled off the road to curse us out because we forced him to swerve around us. How do you argue with a 70-year-old about whether you have a right to run down a road? This kind of harassment was constant. Almost weekly, a car would swerve toward us at high speed, forcing us to scramble off the shoulder. When we traveled to northern California for the Stanford Invite, my team was utterly baffled when cars actually stopped to let us run through a pedestrian crossing. “Can you believe it?” my teammate asked, astonished. “They would have simply run us over in South Carolina, before calling the police to report us for jaywalking.” It was a nice reprieve. Two weeks later, back in the South, a carload of high school kids nailed me with a Solo cup filled with beer. The year after I graduated, two guys came up from behind me with their car and knocked me over with their door. They gave me the bird as they drove off. I used to joke with friends that, while I couldn’t be certain of the exact details of my death, I knew it would involve an angry white guy and a pre-owned Chevy Cavalier. *

That’s directly from his blogpost.

If anything, I think the whole “I’m fine - bad stuff like that NEVER happens to me, so he’s just making a big fake fuss over it, and passing unfair judgment” might be one of THE deepest problems in society.

I’m a minority, but I have rarely been overtly harrassed in public or overtly held back from career advacement because of racial bias. But does that I am in the right if I criticize African-Americans, Latinos, and Asians who have been tremendously harrassed and even killed, as judgmental because they write that it happens to them on a regular basis, on the basis of my own personal problem-free experiences? I think not.

I grew up, and still live, in the most rural place you can imagine. Not once have I ever been harassed running or biking. I’ve biked highways and backroads and everyone here has been nothing but respectful. There’s good and bad everywhere, don’t generalise.

That’s fantastic for you, but most of us aren’t as fortunate, whether we live in the country or the city. Where do you live?