Rotor/anquetil

[perfection]

Perf: read this and dont get mad. ankling was a fad in the 60’s and really does not work OK? the proof is in the puddin’

A good article but ankling has nothing to do with
Anquetil’s method. In fact PC pedaling style is the
nearest you can get to ankling. Anquetil used his
ankle only to keep the power application steered
in the same direction at all times. It was not locked
but moved very little.
The mistake most experts made was trying to copy
Anquetil’s style when they were not aware of the
reason for pedaling that way. I discovered Anq’s
style completely independently without ever seeing
Anquetil pedal about 8 years ago. The video was
releases only four years ago and confirmed that I
had his identical technique.

[perfection]

OK, so (if I have this correct) your describing a cycling technique that applies to recumbent bikes (and, even then I don’t see how it would be more effective). Application of this “anquetil” technique with a standard design road/tt bike wouldn’t be very practical. And, to assume that arms could provide the equivalent resistence of a seated position is equally impractical. Transfering force the way you describe it just doesn’t seem to make sense. Motion of the legs the way describe it also doesn’t makes sense (IMHO and according to the laws of physics, you can’t leave out parts of the propulsion cycle). The effectiveness and efficiency of such technique also doesn’t seem to be reasonable - specially when you consider that leveraging of forces on the bike are not simple nor constant with regards to body position or forces need relative to cycles per leg movement (commonly reffered to as cadence - in the case of “anquetil”, I don’t know what it would be reffered as - perhaps steps per minute).

Look, unless you can tell us how his technique is so revolutionary and works so well, I dont know where you are going to go with this

You say it is great … well … who else uses this technique? I have seen the videos of him pedalling and heard the story about the technique, but my question is, if it is so great and so publicized, why do none of the top riders in the Tour (to my knowledge) ride like you describe? Hmmmm.

I know why none of them use Rotor Cranks (Campy, Shimano and FSA sponsorships), but ANY of them could use this Anquetil technique, and naturally they would - if it were legitimate.

What up G?

Of course no professionals use it, like their coaches
they don’t know how it’s done.
As an ex-victim of the worst lower back pain the first
matter to be attended to is passing it on to other
victims of this “on the bike” torture, free of charge.

[garytingley]

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Sorry that you all had to read that, I was making comparison of the Perf’s last message to a chain letter, pretty funny, eh?

[perfection]

" No power is only applied with one foot at all times
and in the same direction, there is no pulling up.
As soon as one leg finishes power application, the
pedal is unweighted and that leg is ready for instant takeover
of power application at 11 o’clock (approx). Mentally
you are doing what the rotor system does mechanically. The fact that power is always applied
in one direction means that as cadence increases
there is much less reduction in power application than
with any other style, the ability to make use of
arm resistance is partly responsible for this. "

This is incorrect. You mis-state the function of the Rotor Cranks. With the pedalling motion you describe, the non-drive leg must take over duties at the 11 o’clock position, pulling itself through the dead spot. When the pedals are at 6 and 12 o’clock you are in the dead spot.

With Rotor, your pedals will never be at 6 and 12 o’clock. Your drive side leg will not start to apply power until it is in the 1 o’clock position and will continue to deliver power until it is in the 6 o’clock position, at which time the other leg takes over - at the 1 o’clock position. You never have to pedal through the dead spot with your drive side leg because you always start propulsion at the 1 o’clock position and finish it at the 6 o’clock position. Of course, you will unweight your non-drive leg when pedalling, which IS NOTHING LIKE PowerCranks, eh? No pulling up required, just smooth pedalling.

Rotors are not a mechanical means of Aquetil.

With the pedaling that I use, MAXIMUM power
application can start at 11 o’clock and continue right
through to 5 o’clock. There is no dead spot area.
You have just confirmed what I had stated in my first report on rotor cranks. What they do is attempt
to compensate for power or time lost in half of the
dead spot area. You say you continue to deliver power down to 6 o’clock. No you don’t, that half of
the dead area remains with thr rotor system. It’s
mainly gravity and inertia that is applying the power
between 5 and 6 o’clock.
My only reason for the comparison between Anquetil
and rotor was to convey the fact that mentally you
are preparing the muscles in advance to be ready
for instant takeover of power application at 11 o’clock
instead of wasting time scraping the mud off the shoe
and pulling up as is recommended with circular
pedaling.
As for rating in value for money and performance
I would give PC’s half a jersey, ROTOR one and a half
jerseys and Anquetil’s five out of five jerseys.

Gary, do you still claim that Rotor cranks eliminate
the complete dead spot area ?

[garytingley]

Gary, do you still claim that Rotor cranks eliminate
the complete dead spot area ?

YES - there is no dead spot with Rotor Cranks, it is impossible, your cranks will never be at 6 and 12 o’clock.

Furthermore, this is how they work:

Your drive side leg SLOWS applying more power and your non-drive leg SPEEDS UP through every pedal rotation. This propels your non-drive pedal PAST the dead spot into the 1 o’clock position. When your non-drive pedal is in the 12 o’clock position your drive pedal is in the 5 o’clock position, still giving power to your chain.

I hope I have explained it well enough, I should have an extensive review completed sometime next week on the web site.

[perfection]

Gary, do you still claim that Rotor cranks eliminate
the complete dead spot area ?

YES - there is no dead spot with Rotor Cranks, it is impossible, your cranks will never be at 6 and 12 o’clock.

Furthermore, this is how they work:

Your drive side leg SLOWS applying more power and your non-drive leg SPEEDS UP through every pedal rotation. This propels your non-drive pedal PAST the dead spot into the 1 o’clock position. When your non-drive pedal is in the 12 o’clock position your drive pedal is in the 5 o’clock position, still giving power to your chain.

I hope I have explained it well enough, I should have an extensive review completed sometime next week on the web site.

Area I am refering to not spot, even with Anquetil’s style there is a dead spot as the transfer of power from one leg to the other takes place.
You are not explaining how you eliminate the 5to6/
11to12 area.

[garytingley]

OK, the pedals WILL NEVER be in line with one another and will NEVER be at 6 and 12 o’clock … I do not undertand your question

read this:

http://www.windycitysports.com/story.cfm?story_id=5248&publicationID=26&departmentid=4

Spin Fix

Few things could make a hardcore triathlete add a pound to her bike, but the Rotor System may be one of them. Developed and manufactured in Spain, these cranks have already seen use by elite cyclists and triathletes, including Spanish champ Anna Burgos.

The idea is that the crank minimizes the “dead spot” that exists in the middle of the pedal cycle. It does this by canting the top crank forward 12 degrees when the other is down (see illustration). That way, you can use your more powerful muscles, your quads and gluts, to do more of your pedaling.

Studies in Italy and Spain registered significant power gains and decreased fatigue. Of course, similar claims have been made by other crank and chainring systems (remember Biopace?) in the past, so I asked for a set for testing.

The installation took a little work, but anyone who does his own bike work could do it. The first 30 seconds on the cranks felt really odd, like rolling on a big egg. But after that, my cadence smoothed out.

In everyday use, I got a 5 percent decrease in the time required for my 30-mile ride. My knees felt better too. Reduced muscle and tendon strain are the cranks’ other benefits. One veteran 12-hour racer noted that the first time he raced on these cranks marked the first time he could walk after the event.

At over $600 for the steel cranks and $800 for titanium, these aren’t cheap. But if you want extra power or you want to cut back on the ibuprofen, Rotor cranks may be for you. For more information, contact Howie Cohen, cohen@brecknet.com. or visit www.rotorbike.com.

-Seth Jayson

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[fredly]

OH…MY…GOD…

It had to happen. Somebody took PERFECTION seriously.

He has been trolling the same line for YEARS on many different forums, and never manages to explain just what the hell he is talking about - but never fear, CONCLUSIVE PROOF is just days away.

Yikes…

Please don’t feed the trolls. They go away if you ignore them.

MH

[garytingley]

i’m such a dope for not seeing this coming …

thanks fredly for letting us know

[perfection]

i’m such a dope for not seeing this coming …

thanks fredly for letting us know

No it is not a troll, that last article has it correct
when it states that Rotor minimizes the dead spot
area. It does that but can never eliminate it.

[perfection]

Finally Gary, that observation of mine in doubting
whether the upper crank was getting as far as 1 o’clock when the lower one was at 6 o’clock has
been proved by your " SPIN FIX " article to be
correct. It only moves 12 degrees forward, a long way
short of 1 o’clock.