Romney's War On Religion

How did this manage to slip by without discussion?


Did Mitt Romney force Catholic hospitals to provide Plan B? Mass. Catholic leader says ‘yes’

BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS, February 13, 2012 – As politicians in both political parties debate Mitt Romney’s role in implementing a 2005 statute requiring Catholic hospitals in Massachusetts to dispense Plan B - an “emergency contraceptive” that studies and the pill’s manufacturer have suggested can cause early abortions - a leader in the state’s pro-life movement puts the blame squarely on the former governor.

“The injury to the conscience rights of Catholic hospitals was not done so much so much by the church’s ideological enemies on the Left but by the Romney administration,” C.J. Doyle, executive director of the Catholic Action League, told LifeSiteNews.com. The real harm, he says, came from Romney’s private counsel’s interpretation of a 1975 law that would have respected their religious views.

“It wasn’t the liberals. It wasn’t some liberal court. It was not liberal legislators that caused this interpretation of law,” Doyle said. “It was the Romney administration” that “injured the conscience rights and religious freedom rights of Catholic hospitals here.”

In 2005, the then-governor ordered Catholic hospitals to offer the “morning-after” pill in the final act of a showdown between church and state that began 30 years earlier.

In 1975, the Massachusetts legislature passed a law exempting private hospitals from providing abortions or “contraceptive devices or information” if those practices run contrary to their “religious or moral principles.”

In 2005, a new state law required all hospitals to provide Plan B to rape victims. (…)

“Romney, through his legal counsel, came up with this entirely novel, unprecedented, unheard of interpretation of the 1975 statute to indicate that it didn’t apply,” Doyle told LifeSiteNews. “This surprised, and astonished, and perplexed everyone.”

One week before the law was to take effect, Romney held a press conference saying, “I have instructed the Department of Public Health to follow the conclusion of my own legal counsel,” calling it a “sounder view.”

The* Boston Herald* described Romney’s turnabout as “an Olympic-caliber double flip-flop with a gold medal-performance twist-and-a-half.”

To be fair to Governor Romney, I should probably rephrase it as the GOP’s War On Religion.

Before current birth-control fight, Republicans backed mandates

Republicans are fighting a birth-control rule in President Obama’s healthcare law, but several states have enacted contraceptive mandates with the support of GOP lawmakers and governors.

Since President Obama moved to require Catholic hospitals and universities to offer their employees contraceptive health benefits, Republicans have rushed to accuse the administration of an unprecedented attack on religious freedoms.

None has been more forceful than former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who accused Obama of “a direct violation of the 1st Amendment.” But years before the current partisan firestorm, GOP lawmakers and governors around the country, including Huckabee, backed similar mandates.

Twenty-two states have laws or regulations that resemble, at least in part, the Obama administration’s original rule. More than a third had some Republican support, a review of state records shows.

In six states, including Arkansas, those contraceptive mandates were signed by GOP governors.

In Massachusetts in 2006, then-Gov. Mitt Romney signed a healthcare overhaul that kept in place a contraceptive mandate signed by his Republican predecessor. Now the GOP presidential candidate is calling the Obama rule an “assault on religion.”

At the federal level, President George W. Bush never challenged a similar federal mandate imposed in 2000.

The state laws were the product of a campaign by women’s groups and others that began after insurers started covering Viagra for men.

The cause has always drawn more support from Democrats, who pushed successfully in 2010 to include a provision in the healthcare law designed to expand women’s access to preventive services like contraception.

But until recently, many Republicans also supported expanding access to contraceptives, even if it meant angering some religious constituencies.

In 1997, Sen. Olympia J. Snowe of Maine and then-Rep.James C. Greenwood of Pennsylvania cosponsored bills aimed at requiring contraceptive coverage nationally. Seven additional Senate Republicans and 15 other House Republicans signed on to the legislation, though it never became law.

Three years later, the federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, which is responsible for enforcing laws against workplace discrimination, ruled all employers with more than 15 workers must cover contraceptives for women if they offer health plans that cover preventive services and prescription drugs.

When Republicans took control of Washington after Bush won the 2000 presidential election, his administration could have challenged that requirement, as it did other mandates.

But in his 2001 confirmation hearings to be attorney general, John Ashcroft told the Senate Judiciary Committee that he would “defend the rule” promulgated by the EEOC.

The original Obama regulation, released in January, went further than any state by requiring that women receive contraceptive benefits without co-pays or deductibles, as required for all preventive care under the healthcare law. But in exempting only some religious organizations, the administration followed what had become the approach used by many states.

The administration would have exempted an employer that “has the inculcation of religious values as its purpose,” primarily employs and serves people of the same religion, and is a nonprofit.

That standard was understood to exempt churches, but not religiously affiliated hospitals and universities.

In the face of fierce blow-back, the administration has since proposed a compromise that makes insurers, rather than employers, responsible for the cost of contraceptive coverage for employees of religiously affiliated institutions.

Congressional Republicans are pushing legislation to exempt all employers from providing contraceptive coverage if it goes against their beliefs.

In 2000, when Iowa became one of the first states to enact a contraceptive mandate, the Republican Legislature overwhelmingly backed the bill, which has no exemption for religious employers of any kind.

Even one of the law’s few opponents did not move to exempt religious employers at the time, records show. Republican Rep. Steve King, a leading conservative who was then a state senator, instead proposed to exempt employers who did not cover Viagra. “We were not fighting the battle over conscience protection then,” King said in an interview this week.

In Arizona, state Rep. Linda Binder, a pro-choice Republican, formed a bipartisan coalition to push her bill, which exempted churches but not other church-affiliated institutions, through the Republican-controlled Legislature. Then-Gov. Jane Hull, a Republican and a Catholic, signed the measure into law.

In New York, a similar law also won GOP support in the Legislature. It was signed in 2001 by Gov. George E. Pataki, another Republican.

Four years later, the Arkansas law easily cleared that state’s Legislature, with help from Republican lawmakers, including two GOP cosponsors. Huckabee signed it in April 2005.

He defended the law in a statement. “Religious employers are not required to comply with this policy,” he said. “My position is, and always has been, that religious entities shouldn’t be forced to pay for contraception.”

But like the original federal regulation proposed by Obama, the Arkansas law did not exempt church-affiliated hospitals and universities. It exempts only “religious employers” that are nonprofit organizations whose primary mission is “the inculcation of religious values,” and primarily employ people who share the same religion, a standard few Catholic hospitals meet.

http://www.latimes.com/health/la-na-gop-contraceptives-20120216,0,3392996.story

I know, Governor, I know; it’s entirely different because you unleashed the State, not the Fed, to trample on Americans’ religious liberty. No harm, no foul.

So you are really pissed about the Obama administration’s dictating this to whole country and circumventing the whole freedom of religion thing. Its good to see we are on the same team.

Your non-response to the premise is noted for the record. Were you or any other conservative as outraged when these Republican initiatives began popping up around the country before they appeared during the Obama administration?

Also for the record, I think the level of outrage is artificially inflated by the politics of the day, but that doesn’t make the president’s defense of his “compromise” any more legitimate. But to the larger point, I think this latest flap is case in point of how completely fucked up our system of healthcare product and service payment is. The fact that a person’s polycystic ovarian syndrome medication coverage can be denied because of their employer’s belief about what God thinks and wants absolutely beggars belief. And I’m not sympathetic to the cries of persecution by religious organizations who enjoy tax-exempt status as a religious, non-political entity when they operate overtly as political entities when the mood strikes them.

To your other point, we consistently pick and choose when to respect a person’s religious beliefs, based on what our society will and will not tolerate; I don’t see this as a materially different decision on the matter. The president does not believe we should tolerate women being denied medication coverage because of what their employer believes about God. And I agree, just as I agree that religious parents should not be allowed to choose faith healing in lieu of proven medical therapy for a child suffering, and in some cases dying, of an easily treatable disease. Do you find that to be an intolerable infringement on their religious rights as well–or as the current talking point suggests, War on Religion ™–or are you picking and choosing along with the rest of us?

But that wasn’t really the point of the post, which I gather you understand. You don’t see just a wee bit of manufactured outrage going on here, fitting within the larger pattern of Republican support for positions and initiatives (reference cap and trade, health insurance mandates, etc) that suddenly become anathema to their core values once President Obama picks up his pen?

Were you or any other conservative as outraged when these Republican initiatives began popping up around the country before they appeared during the Obama administration?

I don’t know about Rodred, but yes, plenty of people were upset with these types of initiatives when they began popping up in various places. Just as plenty of conservatives were unhappy when Romneycare was instituted. Perhaps the outrage was limited somewhat by the fact that those actions only affected individual states.

that doesn’t make the president’s defense of his “compromise” any more legitimate.

No kidding. I think his announced “compromise” is an insult to our intelligence on a couple of different levels.

I think this latest flap is case in point of how completely fucked up our system of healthcare product and service payment is. The fact that a person’s polycystic ovarian syndrome medication coverage can be denied because of their employer’s belief about what God thinks and wants absolutely beggars belief.

Do you have a source for that?

As to your larger points, I agree that the latest “flap” is yet another case in point about how fundamentally flawed our healthcare system is. I think the fact that insurance is primarily tied- by law- to one’s employer in the first place is crazy.

And I’m not sympathetic to the cries of persecution by religious organizations who enjoy tax-exempt status as a religious, non-political entity when they operate overtly as political entities when the mood strikes them.

I don’t think I agree with you that religious organizations operate overtly as political entities when the mood strikes them. It is certainly clear to me, though, that you and a lot of other people aren’t sympathetic to their complaints over the violation of their First Amendment rights.

The president does not believe we should tolerate women being denied medication coverage because of what their employer believes about God

You are focusing on what you perceive to be women’s right to contraception, when in fact Obama’s action here is directed towards the religious employers. It’s the religious employers who are being forced to take action, to provide something- and in this case, they are being forced into an action that’s contrary to their religious beliefs. (Where does that particular slippery slope end, I wonder?)

religious parents should not be allowed to choose faith healing in lieu of proven medical therapy for a child dying of an easily treatable disease, like diabetes.

You aren’t really saying that you believe that the situations are equivalent in any significant way, are you? I find it hard to believe that you are equating women employed by religious organizations with children. I hope you’re not going to make me waste time explaining the obvious differences.

I don’t know about Rodred, but yes, plenty of people were upset …

I think the real question is how many people are like you who have priciples and stand by them, and how many people who are like Rodred who are merely cheering sections for the GOP who’s current position is, “if Obama’s for it, then I’m against it.”

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If that’s the real question, then the answer is that there are lots of people who only serve in the cheering squad for their side. (This is hardly limited to the Republicans, so it probably wouldn’t be wise for Obama supporters to make too much of it. And I don’t know that it applies to Rodred.)

If that’s the *real *question, though, it sort of implies that the person asking it is guilty of the same sort of cheer leading.

I don’t know about Rodred, but yes, plenty of people were upset with these types of initiatives when they began popping up in various places. Just as plenty of conservatives were unhappy when Romneycare was instituted. Perhaps the outrage was limited somewhat by the fact that those actions only affected individual states.

That may well be, and I take your claim at face value. It still doesn’t negate the fact that these were Republican initiatives, and I suspect we weren’t beaten about the head and shoulders with the “Romney’s or Huckabee’s War on Religion” talking point ad infinitum.

Do you have a source for that?

There are several gynecological disorders for which oral contraceptives are primary therapy. I’m presuming that these insurance policies would not allow contraception for any application, given that the effect is the same no matter which disorder is being treated. I may be wrong about that.

I don’t think I agree with you that religious organizations operate overtly as political entities when the mood strikes them. It is certainly clear to me, though, that you and a lot of other people aren’t sympathetic to their complaints over the violation of their First Amendment rights.
I hoped I made that clear enough, and the reasons why, as well. I don’t believe that right is absolute and without condition, any more than is our Second Amendment right to bear arms.

You are focusing on what you perceive to be women’s right to contraception, when in fact Obama’s action here is directed towards the religious employers. It’s the religious employers who are being forced to take action, to provide something- and in this case, they are being forced into an action that’s contrary to their religious beliefs. (Where does that particular slippery slope end, I wonder?)

Given the abomination that is our health insurance system, it’s a distinction without a meaningful difference. If an employer singles out a product for banishment from the formulary, some employees may not have the means to access that product. As for the slippery slope question, I believe it was trail who perfectly articulated in previous thread why that argument fails to impress.

You aren’t really saying that you believe that the situations are equivalent in any significant way, are you? I find it hard to believe that you are equating women employed by religious organizations with children. I hope you’re not going to make me waste time explaining the obvious differences.

Not equivalent, but similar enough to understand the point I was making about how our freedom of religious practice is not absolute. And given our paternalistic employee-based insurance system that a majority of people are subject to, yes, I would say there’s enough control exerted over employees to support my analogy as it was intended. A low-level employee working for barely above minimum wage, supporting a family as a single parent, may not have the means of securing those medications outside of her health insurance plan, or the opportunity to seek alternate employment to get comprehensive insurance coverage.

On a related note, one of the state bills in conference has added “or moral objection” to the religious objection clause. In theory, I think it’s good to couple those two together where one applies. In practice, this means that the employer would now have legal grounds on which to deny maternity care to single mothers, or any other expense that results from behavior of which the employer disapproves. I can’t imagine many people think this is a just application of religious belief or moral consideration as it applies to employees’ health and finances. This is the real-world implication of these policies, and so long as we’re stuck with this insurance system, I think it’s reasonable to reconsider how the First Amendment applies, as we do with relatively little controversy in other areas.

There are several gynecological disorders for which oral contraceptives are primary therapy. I’m presuming that these insurance policies would not allow contraception for any application, given that the effect is the same no matter which disorder is being treated. I may be wrong about that.

You are likely wrong about that. While it’s always a mystery how any health insurance bureaucracy will act and for what reason, and I’m not familiar with the syndrome you mentioned, Catholic teaching would allow for the use of drugs to treat legitimate medical conditions, even if those drugs are also contraceptives.

I believe it was trail who perfectly articulated in previous thread why that argument fails to impress.

You’ll have to excuse me, but I didn’t follow the other thread, and don’t plan on wading through it now. What is clear to me is this: The current policy forces religion institutions to undertake activity that is contrary to their religious tenets. You don’t have a problem with it because, apparently, you believe a woman’s right to birth control somehow outweighs the clear First Amendment violation involved. (I think it’s also evident that a lot of folks don’t have a problem with it because they just don’t like what the Catholic Church stands for, and therefore just don’t care about the religious liberty violation.) So I’m not particularly comforted by the fact that trail doesn’t think a slippery slope exists.

As for your comparison between this issue to parents who believe in faith healing being forced to provide treatment to their diabetic child, I am surprised that you’d assert any significant similarity. In the first place, you’ve just equated women with children who are unable to care for themselves, which is ridiculous. Also, you’ve somehow elevated contraception to a treatment critical to sustain life, which is also ridiculous. To be clear: We allow for the violation of the faith healing parent’s religious beliefs when those beliefs place his own child, who is entirely dependent on him, at risk of death or serious harm. That is not at all the case with religious employers and contraception.

The fact that a person’s polycystic ovarian syndrome medication coverage can be denied because of their employer’s belief about what God thinks and wants absolutely beggars belief.

Actually, the fact that the employer would be regarded as responsible for paying for a person’s polycystic ovarian syndrome medication coverage in the first place beggars belief. What the hell should that, or any of her medication at all, have to do with her employment?

Nevertheless, the employer and employee have a contractual relationship. If for some reason they contract to have the employer pay for specific benefits outside of salary, then the nature of those benefits is entirely the business of those two parties. It’s not the business of government or of any of the rest of us. If the right of contract was properly upheld, there wouldn’t be a religious liberty issue here at all.

What the hell should that, or any of her medication at all, have to do with her employment?

Nevertheless, the employer and employee have a contractual relationship.

I agree strongly on the first point, but the relationship between the employer and employee, in regards to health insurance, is not currently contractual in any meaningful sense- it’s mandated by law.

Yes, that’s the problem.

You are likely wrong about that.
If so, great. I’m glad to hear it. That still doesn’t negate the fact that contraception is a legal, FDA-approved woman’s health product, which is really at the heart of the issue.

You’ll have to excuse me, but I didn’t follow the other thread, and don’t plan on wading through it now.

If I recall correctly, his post was in direct response to yours. Perhaps not.

You don’t have a problem with it because, apparently, you believe a woman’s right to birth control somehow outweighs the clear First Amendment violation involved. (I think it’s also evident that a lot of folks don’t have a problem with it because they just don’t like what the Catholic Church stands for, and therefore just don’t care about the religious liberty violation.) So I’m not particularly comforted by the fact that trail doesn’t think a slippery slope exists.

I’m no fan of the Church, but I don’t cheer this decision as a punitive measure. In fact, I haven’t cheered the initiative at all, which bears mentioning here. And the argument isn’t that a slippery slope doesn’t exist, it’s that it’s not a compelling reason not to move in one direction or another simply because of its existence.

you’ve just equated women with children who are unable to care for themselves, which is ridiculous.

That is indeed a ridiculous way to frame my analogy. Financially, though, as I referenced in that same post, there are people who are as dependent on their insurance policy for benefits as a child is their parents. At least, to a point where I think a functional equivalency exists. That is the reality of the situation. Or perhaps your years of experience in health care informs you differently.

To be clear: We allow for the violation of the faith healing parent’s religious beliefs when those beliefs place his own child, who is entirely dependent on him, at risk of death or serious harm. That is not at all the case with religious employers and contraception.

So, you acknowledge that religious liberty is not absolute, yet you return to the beware-the-slippery-slope argument as a defense for preserving the status quo?

What the hell should that, or any of her medication at all, have to do with her employment?

Nevertheless, the employer and employee have a contractual relationship.

I agree strongly on the first point, but the relationship between the employer and employee, in regards to health insurance, is not currently contractual in any meaningful sense- it’s mandated by law.

And I think this is really at the root of the problem. All the arguments that follow would be moot had we never tied health insurance to employment. We are compounding the problem with every bill that passes, but it’s one we’re likely stuck with for a long time to come.

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That still doesn’t negate the fact that contraception is a legal, FDA-approved woman’s health product, which is really at the heart of the issue.

That’s really the heart of the issue? FDA approval? **I don’t think so.

If I recall correctly, his post was in direct response to yours. Perhaps not.

I haven’t participated in any other discussions about this contraception mandate. Maybe you’re talking about his response about the slippery slope in relation to same sex marriage, which I simply did not have the interest in responding to, frankly. If that’s the case, though, am I to understand that you think slippery slope arguments are always unimpressive? If that’s the case, I’m going to pull out a couple of fistfuls of my hair, then find a post about one of my pet peeves to link to.

I’m no fan of the Church, but I don’t cheer this decision as a punitive measure.

I didn’t say you did- I didn’t say anyone did, in fact. Maybe I’ll should try to clarify: It seems evident to me that a lot of people don’t mind seeing the Church’s religious liberty violated in this case because they don’t agree with the Church’s position on birth control. They think it’s silly or outdated or oppressive or whatever, and so they don’t have a problem with forcing the Church into taking action at odds with its beliefs on this issue. I also think it’s evident that many people just don’t like the Church in general, and so aren’t bothered when its religious liberty is constrained.

That is indeed a ridiculous way to frame my analogy. Financially, though, as I referenced in that same post, there are people who are as dependent on their insurance policy for benefits as a child is their parents. At least, to a point where I think a functional equivalency exists.

??? Help me out. You are saying my characterization of your analogy is ridiculous, while at the same time maintaining that’s exactly what you meant?

Your analogy is still ridiculous. No woman is as dependent on her employer for birth control as a child is dependent on his parents for medical care.

you acknowledge that religious liberty is not absolute, yet you return to the beware-the-slippery-slope argument as a defense for preserving the status quo?

I don’t think anyone has or will argue that religious liberty is absolute. And I’m not advancing the slippery slope argument as the primary point- the act of violating religious institutions’ religious liberty in this manner is objectionable enough. The slippery slope, while a real danger, is incidental.

That’s really the heart of the issue? FDA approval? **I don’t think so.

No, FDA approval is not the issue. The fact that it’s a staple of women’s health, used by nearly 100% of American women at one point or another, is.

am I to understand that you think slippery slope arguments are always unimpressive?
Correct. And be careful with the hair pulling; at our age, you never know when it won’t grow back again.

Maybe I’ll should try to clarify: It seems evident to me that a lot of people don’t mind seeing the Church’s religious liberty violated in this case because they don’t agree with the Church’s position on birth control. They think it’s silly or outdated or oppressive or whatever, and so they don’t have a problem with forcing the Church into taking action at odds with its beliefs on this issue.

Partially true. Although in my case, it’s not so much that I disagree with their position, it’s that the position that I disagree with imposes certain consequences on others who may not be in a position to mitigate those consequences.

??? Help me out. You are saying my characterization of your analogy is ridiculous, while at the same time maintaining that’s exactly what you meant?

Perhaps it’s the functional part of the functional equivalency you’re struggling with? If a person is without the ways and means to acquire something, it doesn’t matter why that may be. It just is.

No woman is as dependent on her employer for birth control as a child is dependent on his parents for medical care.

Not so long as groups like Planned Parenthood are around. Good thing for that, eh?

The fact that it’s a staple of women’s health, used by nearly 100% of American women at one point or another, is.

And here I was thinking is was an issue of religious liberty. I’m sorry, you’re going to have to let me know the percentage of women who’ve used birth control is relevant.

Correct.

Aaaarrrrgghh!

See here: Slippery slope arguments can be entirely valid. The existence of slippery slopes is demonstrable. All slippery slope arguments are not fallacies.

**Although in my case, it’s not so much that I disagree with their position, it’s that the position that I disagree with imposes certain consequences on others who may not be in a position to mitigate those consequences. **

Honestly? There are women who, if not for their employer-provided contraception, would not be able to avoid pregnancy? (I’m very generously granting the assumption that avoiding pregnancy is a health issue. You’re welcome.)