Since the books are in private hands (meaning the IP in the books), ok, how do we as a society or group mobilize against these changes?
Do we “cancel” the Dahl estate and the like for making these changes ? If not, what exactly do we do?
Exactly - if these folks want to publish one that just says “enormous” and the Dahl’s say it’s fine, they can
If some other folks want to publish a new version with “enormously fat” and the Dahl’s say it’s fine, they can do that, too
Both versions can exist at the same time, I think?
I know someone recently created a new, graphic novelization of Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas, which neither replaces nor supplants the original edition by HST and Steadman’s artwork
Since the books are in private hands (meaning the IP in the books), ok, how do we as a society or group mobilize against these changes?
Do we “cancel” the Dahl estate and the like for making these changes ? If not, what exactly do we do?
Like this:
https://nypost.com/2023/02/20/salman-rushdie-calls-edits-to-roald-dahl-absurd-censorship/
Just because this particular publisher is making changes to the work, doesn’t mean all the other versions go away, or that no one else is allowed to print the original
I have10 editions of* Frankenstein*, maybe half a dozen of* Dracula*, four* The War of the Worlds* and three Moby Dicks
D’Kid has at least three editions of* The Great Gatsby*
The publisher and the estate own the rights, no? I can’t just go and publish an unadulterated version on my own.
Copyright does not last forever.
Since the books are in private hands (meaning the IP in the books), ok, how do we as a society or group mobilize against these changes?
Do we “cancel” the Dahl estate and the like for making these changes ? If not, what exactly do we do?
Nah - I look at it this way: they made a “radio-friendly edit”
Happens all the time
Doesn’t bother me
Since the books are in private hands (meaning the IP in the books), ok, how do we as a society or group mobilize against these changes?
Do we “cancel” the Dahl estate and the like for making these changes ? If not, what exactly do we do?
Like this:
https://nypost.com/2023/02/20/salman-rushdie-calls-edits-to-roald-dahl-absurd-censorship/
So you are good with canceling the estate and publisher to get them to comply?
Just because this particular publisher is making changes to the work, doesn’t mean all the other versions go away, or that no one else is allowed to print the original
I have10 editions of* Frankenstein*, maybe half a dozen of* Dracula*, four* The War of the Worlds* and three Moby Dicks
D’Kid has at least three editions of* The Great Gatsby*
The publisher and the estate own the rights, no? I can’t just go and publish an unadulterated version on my own.
Copyright does not last forever.
Right, I’m guessing those I listed are Public Domain
https://www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/public-domain
I could download the text from someplace, do a few illustrations, and self-publish my own “limited edition”
Like I have time LOL
I’m certainly uneasy.
If it was Mark Twain, I’d have a hard line in the sand. And given the article quoted Rushdie I’m trending to agree with him, as I’m a Rushdie fanboy.
Childrens books have a slightly lower standard with me because at some point we don’t expect children to have the critical-thinking apparatus to process what they’re reading. Though I’m not that familiar with Dahl - maybe I read the chocolate factory one - so not sure where on the spectrum of literature it falls.
Since the books are in private hands (meaning the IP in the books), ok, how do we as a society or group mobilize against these changes?
Do we “cancel” the Dahl estate and the like for making these changes ? If not, what exactly do we do?
Like this:
https://apnews.com/...392abeef6feec3159e8b
https://nypost.com/...l-absurd-censorship/
https://news.sky.com/...man-rushdie-12815658
So you are good with canceling the estate and publisher to get them to comply?
I don’t know what you would consider “cancelling.†I don’t think people need to boycott all Puffin published books. I do think it’s fair to write op-eds on the subject, to circulate petitions, to draw attention to this sort of thing on social media and in the news, etc.
Roald Dahl was quite prolific and varied in his creative media
He wrote novels, short stories, poetry, as well as screenplays as varied as Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and *You Only Live Twice *
Not a one-trick pony and hard to put in a box
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If we are going to leave books alone, lets get the Bible back to its original language and get rid of everything that came after, trying to interpret what the authors intended. Same goes for all other religious texts too, if you can’t read or understand them in the original, then either learn it, or move on…
The case in the OP seems pretty straight forward, the folks that"own" the rights to these books can make their own decisions, and they seem to move towards inclusiveness, thus sell more books, which is their objective. Editing willy nilly others works without some sort of “owner” approval is more subjective, and thus open to interpretation. That’s a tough one, depending on who is in charge and their attitudes, we could erase all of history, aka 1984…
I do however think in the case of childrens books, that there ought to be some clever editing to smooth over old racist and insensitive material. Not totally, always have the originals available, but some of the Old Sambo and other works I saw as a kid, I just don’t even want my kids to even think for a second they are ok, or funny. SDG and his young kid are a great example, what kid that age thinks it is ok to harass heavy set people, and then think it is funny? Kid was not born with that attitude, but we can all see where he got it from. I remember my son when he was 6, and we were eating next to a guy at least 500 lbs. He quietly whispered to me about the mans appearance, and then we had a long conversation afterwards about what he saw, how you react in public to a person like that, and to basically have some empathy for them. SDG’s kid is now on the path to being a bully and will only learn that lesson when he gets his ass kicked someday by a heavy kid. But then he will have the knowledge that he can go get a gun and even the score, and the cycle continues…And no SDG, those incidents dont make those folks go out and join Jenny Craig, you think your little snot was the first time they realized they were overweight?
I do think it’s fair to write op-eds on the subject, to circulate petitions, to draw attention to this sort of thing on social media and in the news, etc.
Gosh, that sure sounds sounds like “woke” snowflakes canceling someone …
If we are going to leave books alone, lets get the Bible back to its original language and get rid of everything that came after, trying to interpret what the authors intended. Same goes for all other religious texts too, if you can’t read or understand them in the original, then either learn it, or move on…
Was Honors French in High School and read original Sartre, Camus, and Le Petit Prince
Wow
One thing I remember most: in Le Petit Prince, Saint-Exupery says he travelled a thousand miles, but in French, it’s “milles miles”
That’s craftsmanship you’d miss in a translation
If we are going to leave books alone, lets get the Bible back to its original language and get rid of everything that came after, trying to interpret what the authors intended. Same goes for all other religious texts too, if you can’t read or understand them in the original, then either learn it, or move on…
So any Roman, French, Italian, German, Greek, Spanish, Nordic or Old English author is now off the market?
Way to promote an uneducated populace.
If we are going to leave books alone, lets get the Bible back to its original language and get rid of everything that came after, trying to interpret what the authors intended. Same goes for all other religious texts too, if you can’t read or understand them in the original, then either learn it, or move on…
So any Roman, French, Italian, German, Greek, Spanish, Nordic or Old English author is now off the market?
Way to promote an uneducated populace.
Thank God Beowulf is of the shelf
That was a fucking beast
Let’s hope that the ladies don’t get a hold of Lysistrata; they might get some ideas
If we are going to leave books alone, lets get the Bible back to its original language and get rid of everything that came after, trying to interpret what the authors intended. Same goes for all other religious texts too, if you can’t read or understand them in the original, then either learn it, or move on…
Was Honors French in High School and read original Sartre, Camus, and Le Petit Prince
Wow
One thing I remember most: in Le Petit Prince, Saint-Exupery says he travelled a thousand miles, but in French, it’s “milles miles”
That’s craftsmanship you’d miss in a translation
Camus was the second work to come to mind when dismissing Monty’s nonsense.
So any Roman, French, Italian, German, Greek, Spanish, Nordic or Old English author is now off the market? //
Were they just translated, or translated and edited?? I dont think we are talking about translation here, but editing, which of course many religious texts has been through, many, many times in their history.
If we are going to leave books alone, lets get the Bible back to its original language and get rid of everything that came after, trying to interpret what the authors intended. Same goes for all other religious texts too, if you can’t read or understand them in the original, then either learn it, or move on…
So any Roman, French, Italian, German, Greek, Spanish, Nordic or Old English author is now off the market?
Way to promote an uneducated populace.
Thank God Beowulf is of the shelf
That was a fucking beast
Let’s hope that the ladies don’t get a hold of Lysistrata; they might get some ideas
Grendel was worse IMO
So any Roman, French, Italian, German, Greek, Spanish, Nordic or Old English author is now off the market? //
Were they just translated, or translated and edited?? I dont think we are talking about translation here, but editing, which of course many religious texts has been through, many, many times in their history.
I’ll guess you have never translated an entire book by your question
Camus was the second work to come to mind when dismissing Monty’s nonsense.
I wouldn’t call it nonsense; if you have access and ability to read both, do so - if you only have a translation that’s fine
It’s the desire to read/ learn further that educates
That being said …